UK UK - Claudia Lawrence, 35, Chef, York University, 18 March 2009 #12

[Popejohn3]

another observation is if she wasn't in the car it was 6.10am so she was ten mins late - you would of thought she wouldn't of been there then - she would of been at work

But we know she was not at work that day

 

[Popejohn3]

another observation is if she wasn't in the car it was 6.10am so she was ten mins late - you would of thought she wouldn't of been there then - she would of been at work

But we know she was not at work that day

I do not think the event took place, as I cannot match anything up with what I know and primarily because of the rucksack evidence and no sign of life. the police having her phone records will know the frequency of her texting. you know as well as i do most people on waking look at their phones, Claudia perhaps if only to check the time will of seen the text from abroad - surely she will of opened it at the very least - cyprus is 2hrs ahead so its not like she would of been texting him at some ungodly hour

the police could not tell if she opened it or not. She might have seen it but maybe she was planning to surprise him.

 

[Popejohn3]

another observation is if she wasn't in the car it was 6.10am so she was ten mins late - you would of thought she wouldn't of been there then - she would of been at work

But we know she was not at work that day

I do not think the event took place, as I cannot match anything up with what I know and primarily because of the rucksack evidence and no sign of life. the police having her phone records will know the frequency of her texting. you know as well as i do most people on waking look at their phones, Claudia perhaps if only to check the time will of seen the text from abroad - surely she will of opened it at the very least - cyprus is 2hrs ahead so its not like she would of been texting him at some ungodly hour

the police could not tell if she opened it or not. She might have seen it but maybe she was planning to surprise him.

I do not think the event took place, as I cannot match anything up with what I know and primarily because of the rucksack evidence and no sign of life. the police having her phone records will know the frequency of her texting. you know as well as i do most people on waking look at their phones, Claudia perhaps if only to check the time will of seen the text from abroad - surely she will of opened it at the very least - cyprus is 2hrs ahead so its not like she would of been texting him at some ungodly hour

I agree it was not a normal night for Claudia more like the night she had two nights before .
So you’re insisting she was not alive after 5 am ?
So can you answer these please :
Did the police invent the sightings ?
Was there a person ringing in with false information?
In your opinion?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Do you know that someone on WS ... don’t know when or who described our lurker ( at the back of her house) as skinny ?! Now if someone who knew Claudia wanted us to believe it was her they would have known she was about 5’6” yet they described her companion as being taller than the woman but we know as do the police , that Claudia was herself 5’6”
So I reason the witness DID not know Claudia ie her height ![/QUO

But we know she was not at work that day

the police could not tell if she opened it or not. She might have seen it but maybe she was planning to surprise him.

I agree it was not a normal night for Claudia more like the night she had two nights before .
So you’re insisting she was not alive after 5 am ?
So can you answer these please :
Did the police invent the sightings ?
Was there a person ringing in with false information?
In your opinion?
The police dont invent evidence - statistically sightings reliability is poor. we know she wasnt at work yes. but you are saying she perhaps had not been in the car and a passenger had come out of the car and confronted her. I am suggesting that at 6.10 she would normally be at work - so in order for her to be there she would of had to of been delayed - which begs the question why didnt she ring work and say sorry im a bit late will be there in 5. because in my opinion she was already dead, as sad as it is

 

[Vera_dci]

What if the argument was the only reason she was running late? What if she was in a car got out on the bridge due to a disagreement and then attempted to walk the rest before being intercepted closer to the uni ground for argument number two.

 

[Popejohn3]

Your reasoning is very sound indeed.
So someone phoned in with a lie !
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If the police want to say dig a garden up or a field wouldn’t they perhaps send a message to crime stoppers so as to make it easier for them to get a warrant ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

What if the argument was the only reason she was running late? What if she was in a car got out on the bridge due to a disagreement and then attempted to walk the rest before being intercepted closer to the uni ground for argument number two.

because the times do not match for a start, then there's no cctv footage of her on the 19th, no sign of life, no texts or calls to anyone, you'd think if she left a vehicle she would be fearful - so why no distress call

 

[Popejohn3]

What if the argument was the only reason she was running late? What if she was in a car got out on the bridge due to a disagreement and then attempted to walk the rest before being intercepted closer to the uni ground for argument number two.

Shame I can’t press ‘like’ twice !

 

[Blonderabbit]

Your reasoning is very sound indeed.
So someone phoned in with a lie !
———————————————-
If the police want to say dig a garden up or a field wouldn’t they perhaps send a message to crime stoppers so as to make it easier for them to get a warrant ?

sometimes people do lie because they think they are helping, sometimes they are just mistaken, and yes sometimes people lie

 

[Popejohn3]

because the times do not match for a start, then there's no cctv footage of her on the 19th, no sign of life, no texts or calls to anyone, you'd think if she left a vehicle she would be fearful - so why no distress call

Did the arguing woman carry a rack-suck ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

Did the arguing woman carry a rack-suck ?

do you mean a rucksack? it was in a sighting that one matching cls was spotted on the grounds close to the arguing couple

 

[Vera_dci]

I was reluctant to believe the sighting at first but why was the phone powered down at noon near to the university if she was killed the previous night?

The sightings x 2 , the power down , missing work clothes and bag suggest to me claudia was in that area on that morning.

 

[Blonderabbit]

I was reluctant to believe the sighting at first but why was the phone powered down at noon near to the university if she was killed the previous night?

The sightings x 2 , the power down , missing work clothes and bag suggest to me claudia was in that area on that morning.

the missing work clothes and bag merely indicate that she left the house alive in my opinion. the sightings x 2 are a possibility - though the first and the last were a long time apart. the time her phone was powered down has no correlation to a morning or night time event. just because its closer to a morning event cant give you any indication either way. you might be right and you might not. the sightings x2 may of happened on different days, neither sighting can be backed up with a secondary source - cctv etc. She was not seen on cctv on the 19th anywhere - just luck?

 

[Popejohn3]

because the times do not match for a start, then there's no cctv footage of her on the 19th, no sign of life, no texts or calls to anyone, you'd think if she left a vehicle she would be fearful - so why no distress call

What if she ran out of the vehicle without her bag and mobile ?
That’s why I asked if the arguing woman was seen with a bag ?

 

[Popejohn3]

do you mean a rucksack? it was in a sighting that one matching cls was spotted on the grounds close to the arguing couple

No sorry I meant did the driver mention a rucksack being carried by the arguing woman ?

 

[Blonderabbit]

direct from the horses microsite;
Another significant line of enquiry from 2009 was the sighting of a man and woman seemingly involved in an argument on University Road, outside the University of York, at about 6.10am on Thursday 19 March - around the time Claudia was due start her shift as a chef at the university.

A member of the public said they were standing and arguing next to an unknown parked vehicle. The passenger-side door was open.

Det Sup Malyn said: “This remains a significant line of enquiry which we are determined to resolve.

“The fact that the apparent verbal altercation between the man and woman occurred outside the University of York at a time when Claudia would have been arriving at work on Thursday 19th March 2009, is obviously a cause for concern and suspicion.

“If this man and woman are entirely unconnected to the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence but have decided not to come forward previously for whatever reason, then I strongly urge them to contact the investigation team so we can rule out this line of enquiry.”

NOTICE - it doesn't describe the man as skinny and it doesn't say the car was maroon

 

[Popejohn3]

the missing work clothes and bag merely indicate that she left the house alive in my opinion. the sightings x 2 are a possibility - though the first and the last were a long time apart. the time her phone was powered down has no correlation to a morning or night time event. just because its closer to a morning event cant give you any indication either way. you might be right and you might not. the sightings x2 may of happened on different days, neither sighting can be backed up with a secondary source - cctv etc. She was not seen on cctv on the 19th anywhere - just luck?

Yes just luck IMO
And Vera was referring to location IMO and not just time when they mention the phone powering down

 

[Blonderabbit]

Yes just luck IMO
And Vera was referring to location IMO and not just time when they mention then powering down

and the location being?

 

[Popejohn3]

direct from the horses microsite;
Another significant line of enquiry from 2009 was the sighting of a man and woman seemingly involved in an argument on University Road, outside the University of York, at about 6.10am on Thursday 19 March - around the time Claudia was due start her shift as a chef at the university.

A member of the public said they were standing and arguing next to an unknown parked vehicle. The passenger-side door was open.

Det Sup Malyn said: “This remains a significant line of enquiry which we are determined to resolve.

“The fact that the apparent verbal altercation between the man and woman occurred outside the University of York at a time when Claudia would have been arriving at work on Thursday 19th March 2009, is obviously a cause for concern and suspicion.

“If this man and woman are entirely unconnected to the disappearance of Claudia Lawrence but have decided not to come forward previously for whatever reason, then I strongly urge them to contact the investigation team so we can rule out this line of enquiry.”

NOTICE - it doesn't describe the man as skinny and it doesn't say the car was maroon

Yes but people here have a visual image through the reconstruction of the event on crimewatch where the colour of the vehicle was shown plus the couple were on the opposite side of the road and not exactly standing near the car.

 

[Blonderabbit]

Here in my opinion are some of the most thought provoking words of any that I have read regarding the disappearance of Claudia Lawrance;

Having thoroughly examined the case, he said he was now sure that there are a number of people who know what happened to Claudia but who have refused, for whatever reason, to come forward.

And he believes a man pictured by a CCTV camera walking near to Claudia’s house at the time of her disappearance “remains the most important person to trace”.

He said: “I am sure that there are some people who know, or who have very strong suspicions about, what happened to Claudia. For whatever reason, they have either refused to come forward, or have been economic with the truth.

The mans description;
A passer-by who was cycling to work recalls seeing a man standing outside Claudia's house between 6.45am and 6.55am on Thursday 19 March 2009.

The man is described as white, aged 55 to 65, about 6ft tall with a full head of medium-length grey hair which appeared scruffy and windswept. The witness did not see the male’s face.

He was wearing a matt sandy-coloured ‘Mac’ style jacket which came just below the knee. It was unfastened and appeared to be made of thick material or the wearer had extra clothing underneath.

There is no description available of any other clothing worn by the man.

Det Supt Malyn said: “The witness passed the information to the police in 2009 but this is the first time that it has been used in a public appeal.

“This is clearly a critical period for the investigation. We need to identify this man as soon as possible and find out what he was doing outside Claudia’s house. This time would have been after she had left for work if she had walked. Therefore why this person would be so close to her door remains a very important fact we need to establish.”