Was/is Shawn abusive toward Billie?

[hollyblue]

Very good points why would Connie make the statements she did if they were not true?

Ima

I don't think Connie lied, but think BD might have manipulated the situation. When was this...when BD was playing CD and SA against each other? BD & SA get a fight and she thinks she will run back to CD, who prolly was staying at his mothers...til CD found and decided to stay with EN.

Someone said upthread that it was DD who told Gma about the tattoo, but IIRC, it was HD who said BD did the tat. ????

 

[gngr~snap]

A "victim" can't be a willing participant. She had her chance to end the relationship~ she chose to not only continue but to DEFEND SA.

if he is/was violent towards BD she enjoys it
MOO :cow:

 

[Crosby87]

I think SA is practicing the art of seduction. Seduction is luring somebody into sex; the art of persuading somebody to have sex, especially by using a romantic or deceptive approach. IMO, BD was lured into by SA. The day Hailey went missing, SA, who was living with BD, attempted to lure a woman into sending him nude pictures of herself.

CJ said BD met Cliff and Naomi's daughter Christmas evening. Was this the first time BD met their daughter? Maybe that upset BD because she left right after she held her.

snip

Connie: Well, we had a dinner, and right after the dinner, Billie brought the two kids over here, and, so they could open their presents, and they opened their presents, and thanked everybody for their presents, and then me and Hailey and David went into the kitchen, and they asked me if they can have a piece of pie, and I said they can have anything they wanted, so I fixed them a piece of pie and got a piece of bread that I had made, and they were sitting there eating it, and Hailey and I were talking about what we were gonna do this coming year, and David was talking about his games and football and all the stuff that he does and everything, and then Billie come up, and she came into the house, and she picked the baby up, and hugged the baby, and Billie hugged me, and she told the kids, she said, “It’s time to go.”, and she was standing at the door, and she motioned for Shawn to come up to the door, and I got this little dog.
Well, he’s not a little dog. I’ve got this dog, and he was right here beside me, and when Shawn appeared in the door, the dog stood up, and I noticed that Judge was watching Shawn, wouldn’t take his eyes off of him.
Shawn moved, and the hair stood up on Judge’s back. I had to grab his collar, ’cause I just knew that he was gonna go attack him.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...s-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

JMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

I think SA is practicing the art of seduction. Seduction is luring somebody into sex; the art of persuading somebody to have sex, especially by using a romantic or deceptive approach. IMO, BD was lured into by SA. The day Hailey went missing, SA, who was living with BD, attempted to lure a woman into sending him nude pictures of herself.

CJ said BD met Cliff and Naomi's daughter Christmas evening. Was this the first time BD met their daughter? Maybe that upset BD because she left right after she held her.

snip

Connie: Well, we had a dinner, and right after the dinner, Billie brought the two kids over here, and, so they could open their presents, and they opened their presents, and thanked everybody for their presents, and then me and Hailey and David went into the kitchen, and they asked me if they can have a piece of pie, and I said they can have anything they wanted, so I fixed them a piece of pie and got a piece of bread that I had made, and they were sitting there eating it, and Hailey and I were talking about what we were gonna do this coming year, and David was talking about his games and football and all the stuff that he does and everything, and then Billie come up, and she came into the house, and she picked the baby up, and hugged the baby, and Billie hugged me, and she told the kids, she said, “It’s time to go.”, and she was standing at the door, and she motioned for Shawn to come up to the door, and I got this little dog.
Well, he’s not a little dog. I’ve got this dog, and he was right here beside me, and when Shawn appeared in the door, the dog stood up, and I noticed that Judge was watching Shawn, wouldn’t take his eyes off of him.
Shawn moved, and the hair stood up on Judge’s back. I had to grab his collar, ’cause I just knew that he was gonna go attack him.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...s-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

JMO

IMO we may never know what truly "set off" either or both of these two individuals that I feel personally that are responsible for Hailey no longer being here.. Was it something sick..twisted..dramatic..oozing with the macabre..like a horror movie scene or scenes attempted to be brought to life and acted out?...or was it something much more simple and basic such as one of these two just literally "snapping" and in the blink of an eye took Hailey's life before even consciously realizing just what they had actually done..quickly thereafter realizing what exactly they had done..that they had in a moment's time extinguished all the joyous..young..ambitious..raring to go out there and live her life..so much hope..so much promise..so very much potential to go and be absolutely anything this little girl wanted to be..all of that snuffed out..extinguished..and forever gone..all in the blink of an eye?..

And was it Shawn whom we've heard that Hailey said literally stalked in her own home..her very own bedroom..That she heard his whispers late into the night on telephone calls to strangers in between his standing and leering from her doorway..Was it him who all that time was just fantasizing about the time that would come for his opportunity to finally act out all of the movies scenes..all of the fantasies built up over years and years of time involved in hours and hours of sick and depraved things..much sicker than any of the horror films you or I have watched..this man most likely filled his mind with the most vile and evil we could ever imagine with the loads and loads of Child media as well as the beastiality media.. All of the horror movies..child videos and images..all of the beastiality videos and images{and even taking part in such actions and behaviors along the way}..all of the many many years of these fantasies playing over and over in his mind..becoming more and more vivid..more and more clear..and more and more focused on a certain individual as the victim whom he quite possibly began to fantasize and actually putting a face to the victim in his fantasies...

Did all of that unspeakable and unthinkable..unfathomable of behaviors..acts..AND twisted pleasures..were they all unleashed on this precious..innocent little girl? All at once everything this monster had dreamed of..fantasized about and lived out in his mind time after time literally daily year after year..was it all unleashed on Hailey??.. More than we can even imagine?? and then just to take his evil enjoyment a step farther was it Shawn that disposed and/or hid extremely well little Hailey's body after torturous abuse was inflicted?

If that's the case exactly when did Billie Jean enter the picture? Because to be 100% honest I cannot find any way whatsoever to account for Billie Jean and just who and what she is and is about..Nothing even begins to explain how she could be..and say..and behave..and react..and act the way that she has for these past 9 weeks "innocent" of her daughter's "disappearance"{which we all know most likely is a murder}..there is nothing that can explain all of the extremely damaging evidence that you and I have all seen..heard..witnessed with our own eyes concerning Billie in these last 9 weeks.. I was a Billie Defender in the beginning.. I thought Shawn from day one..probably less than 60 seconds into the case..but I attempted to explain away..excuse..etc..Billie's behaviors in those first coming days and early weeks in the case..but as much as I didn't want to believe it..didn't want to see it..and certainly didn't want to admit in both my heart and my head that she was involved with why our precious little Hailey was not home safe in CCity and instead just a face on a flyer..a name in the news..and soon to be an added statistic of one of our many children that lost their lives in the year 2010..but in the end it was only one person who made me fully realize and finally admit what I so did not want to face..only one person's words..only one person's actions..it was only one person alone that finally..completely..and totally had convinced me to see the awful truth that hurt me so very badly to admit...and that person was Billie Jean Dunn herself!..Billie Jean all alone with the help nor assistance of anyone or anything whatsoever..she all alone did a fabulous job of convincing myself as well as many others that she..Hailey Darlene's own flesh and blood "mother"..the one whom Hailey expected to protect her and to shield her from the "bad guys" of this world..the monsters that are under her bed or in her closet..That momma that Hailey thought would save her from that Boogeyman that we all as little kids fear..

And IMO Billie not only failed Hailey in protecting her from the "bad" and the evils of this world..but IMO Billie "fed Hailey to the wolves"{so to speak..of course not literally..but when thinking about what SA is capable of I wouldn't say my play on words was that far off in accuracy}.. At the very very least she failed miserably at protecting Hailey from this monster..the monster that Hailey did fear..The monster that she'd told others stood in her doorway night after night..stalking this poor child in her very own bedroom in her very own bed..It's a nightmare that you and I as grown adults literally shutter and shake at the thought of an evil individual standing in our doorway late at night while we slept..so think to be an innocent child..who so very obviously had no voice that was heard as she cried out for help and pleas to save her..it is horrifying to even think about.. NO doubt tho..she was in self preservation mode..Especially in those last weeks and months no doubt in my mind for one minute that Hailey Darlene was not in self preservation mode.. She was attempting to get out and away from that home as much and as long as she most possibly could..meanwhile praying for the day to arrive that daddy gave her the okay to come live with him..new baby sis..little brother..and new found friend in Naomi.. That day didn't come quick enough for whatever reasons and it definitely wasn't quick enough to save this little girl her life that IMO she so desperately was fighting for..

Desperately fighting for her life full of promise..full of endless possibilities and potentials..all snuffed out..extinguished..and forever gone from this earth and her very many loved ones.. It hurts my heart..My heart hurts so very badly for what Hailey suffered..for what Hailey saw..witnessed..endured..and eventually succumbed to in taking her final last breaths of life.. Who was there when those lasts breaths were drawn by this beautifully full of life little girl?

Was It Shawn all alone acting out his most depraved fantasies and feeling he had no other choice but to silence Hailey forever to keep his "obsessions"..depraved desires..and sickest of "hobbies" from ever being found out?

Or was Billie Jean there as well..was she in any way involved with what took place? or was she only there to witness much like she did on Hailey's first day of life..Hailey being born to Billie Jean and Billie Jean seeing that beautiful..wonderfully created..gift from God..to see her precious Hailey take her first breath of life and so much like was she in turn there for when this beautiful child..this one of God's greatest gifts..her beautiful daughter Hailey Darlene..did Billie Jean watch Hailey draw her last breath as well as as she did her first breath..was Billie present when this baby took her last breath here on this earth?

Could it be possible that as sick and twisted as this Shawn Adkins seems to be{and that's alot of sick..child ..obsessive fascinations with evil..horror..even the occult..beastiality..cutting up deer with chainsaws..and the many other disturbing behaviors we've seen}..but could it be possible that Shawn never did act on his desires..obsessions..fantasies..and that actually it was Billie who by her own acct..her own words.."lost it".."loses it"..did she snap and all her anger and jealousy and animosity for this quickly becoming a woman daughter of hers...did it all come quickly and intensely to a head..rapidly culminating in Billie Jean actually being the one to take Hailey's life? With Shawn being "puppeted" along{just as he has his entire life by the women in his life who are very dominant}to help Billie in disposing/hiding and covering up Hailey's murder?
Is that too far fetched to believe?

Yes for some it may still be too far fetched to believe{I emphasize still be because there was a point that I too would have adamantly denied this as a possibility}..but not anymore.. IMO its just as likely to have happened as the theories that have Shawn being the alone perp in this murder of this innocent little girl...

Eventually it will all come to light..and IMO it is not that far off in the future that this will indeed all come to light.. One of these two or both..even possibly at or around the exact same time.. They will "roll" over on the other.. I think we have already seen the much anticipated crack in their solid unity..and if even it is little by little..crack by crack.. eventually it will all lead to the same conclusion of the dark secret of what happened to Hailey being brought to the light of day..which will then lead to the one and only thing that I care about..and that is justice for Hailey! Justice on behalf of this beautiful and full of life young girl with an entire lifetime of opportunities that were lying ahead in this bright..articulate..and amazingly spirited little young woman.. I want there to be JUSTICE FOR HER!..JUSTICE FOR HAILEY!!!!!!!

 

[TorisMom003]

I have said before that SA and BD seem to me like a Wicked Attraction couple. Alone neither would have followed through with their dark thoughts and hobbies but once they got together they brought out the worst in each other. They both appear to know what buttons to push to get what they want and both appear to manipulate the other. I feel that the printed out true crime stories were a taste of what they wanted to do together and unfortunately Hailey was the one caught in the middle.

 

[Jacie Estes]

I appreciate your thoughts on this WillenFan21 but I honestly believe that Billie is deeply in love with Shawn and there was no abuse going on. It sounds as if they both cheated on one another and that they both had trust issues but as far as I see it, she doesn't come across as a woman who has been abused. If she were scared of him or he had threatened her recently, what better time to inform LE of these things instead of standing by him, continually making excuses for him, and proclaiming him as "awesome" and going on to say that the last 6 months had been the best ever. I can speak to a bit of experience on the subject of being in an abusive relationship and I don't care how badly I was threatened or abused, if I thought he might have hurt my daughter and I knew the police already had him on their radar, he would not be a part of my life any longer.

~jmo~

BBM

ITA, I had a violent DV assault; I got out and he went to jail. I hope you are ok now.

I don't believe that BD is any type of 'victim', especially of dv. IMHO she is a drama queen who thrives on attention and when it shifts away from her, she does/says something to get attention back. I will add that I think part of the 'problem/dynamic', in BD's mind, in the house is because of the possibility that she was jealous of HD.

Were there fights and arguments between BD/SA? I think there were but I think BD gave as good as she got; that doesn't make it a dv situation To say that BD was the 'victim' of dv does a disservice to those who truly are.

I do believe that HD/DD were victims or more hostages of the BD/SA freak show. IMHO They were victims of child abuse/neglect at the hands of BD.

 

[CN2Souls]

It cooks my gizzard to see BD name in the same sentence with Domestic Violence...
But I will Sit on my hands and :ziplip:

H*ll NO!!! Sorry Couldn't help it....

 

[WideOpen]

I think SA is practicing the art of seduction. Seduction is luring somebody into sex; the art of persuading somebody to have sex, especially by using a romantic or deceptive approach. IMO, BD was lured into by SA. <b>The day Hailey went missing, SA, who was living with BD, attempted to lure a woman into sending him nude pictures of herself. <b>

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...s-mother-connie-jones-radio-interview-feb-23/

JMO

I have a couple of comments.

IMO...
SA was sexting with another woman, I am assuming it was not A. If this was the day Hailey went missing and SA was a lone perp would he even have time or be interested in a sexting session with anyone? Considering all the "cover-up" and let alone the sheer "get your story straight" energy this day would have taken for any perp. I find it very hinky.
This is what Shawn says but is it true?


ALSO, where did the host get the information of his sexting that day? Did Billie come right out and tell them that so that it was part of a cover-up. Maybe it never happened and BD is having SA use that as an alibi. Is BD setting SA up? Are they explaining away the found in the house as Shawn has a "lil bit" of a sex addiction?

Can I hear some other opinions about what was going on here? I just don't get how this fits into all this at the moment. Maybe i am missing something.

http://casesignal.wordpress.com/hai...awn-adkins-blog-talk-radio-interview-march-3/


Host: …on the day that Hailey went missing, you were requesting naked photos from another girl, on the day she went missing.

Shawn Adkins: That I was talking to other women.

Host: And requesting naked photos.

Shawn Adkins: I didn’t request any photos. They were just, one woman in particular sent some nude pictures of herself to me, and then I talked to her on the phone too.

Host: Were you sending naked photos of yourself to her too?

Shawn Adkins: No.

 

[LisaB]

...snip...

I found this story about a student at the University of Georgia arrested under a charge of felony aggravated battery for using it on another student and causing "second degree burns and scarring":

http://www.redandblack.com/2008/10/29/silver-nitrate-burn-results-in-student-arrest-wwarrants/

Neyhart was also charged with illegal possession of a dangerous drug or chemical – silver nitrate – and reckless conduct. He “did endanger the bodily safety of another person, ” according to the warrant.

Silver nitrate, a chemical compound, is a colorless crystalline material that dissolves in water. It is used to remove warts and is a chemical in inks and hair dyes. If swallowed, silver nitrate is poisonous. Silver nitrate may burn and irritate the skin. It also stains skin.

It also says the attack caused "second degree burns and scarring to her arms, chest and back." This sounds more like a solution of Silver Nitrate was THROWN on her, not just someone drawing on/poking at her with these little matchsticks.

The substance CAN be dangerous, but the article also goes on to say that it "is a chemical in inks and hair dyes" and I know for a FACT that drops of it are placed in the eyes of newborn babies to prevent infection. Obviously, the concentration used in the above "attack" was stronger.

I think that the statement "Silver nitrate may burn and irritate the skin. It also stains skin." suggests that the level of damage is related to the strength of the solution.

Beer, Wine, and Bourbon are all "alcoholic beverages" but due to varying alcohol content, 8 oz of beer is not the same as 8 oz of bourbon, in terms of the effects on the body.

 

[LisaB]

These are not the same quality/strength of what Billie accessed and stole from her workplace..the hospital..totally different than what you have listed above

All I have heard her say was that they were "like match sticks" and came from a medical facility. The link I provided was to a matchstick-like devise with silver nitrate on the tip, and is intended for use in a medical situation/sold as "medical supplies". Are you CERTAIN that she was using another type? Can you please provide a link to the correct item? I could not find anything else that fit the "matchstick" description.

 

[carbuff]

I would be quite surprised to find out there was any violence of the kind that's usually meant with the term "domestic violence." I'll bet their sex life has a lot of rough stuff in it, but that's not at all the same thing.

 

[katydid23]

All I have heard her say was that they were "like match sticks" and came from a medical facility. The link I provided was to a matchstick-like devise with silver nitrate on the tip, and is intended for use in a medical situation/sold as "medical supplies". Are you CERTAIN that she was using another type? Can you please provide a link to the correct item? I could not find anything else that fit the "matchstick" description.

Who was it who said they were the match stick type? Oh yes, that was BILLIe who said that.
'And in that same statement she said that DD was the one who 'drew on himself." We all know that was not possible because it said TAPOUT on his back.

 

[TorisMom003]

Who was it who said they were the match stick type? Oh yes, that was BILLIe who said that.
'And in that same statement she said that DD was the one who 'drew on himself." We all know that was not possible because it said TAPOUT on his back.

Agreed. I think at this point it has become rather obvious (to me anyway) that anything that Billie says should be questioned and then questioned again. She isn't exactly a fountain of truth.

 

[hollyblue]

I don't know if BD suffered any physical abuse at the hands of SA or not. If she did she wants it to remain secret at this point for some reason, be it she thinks she can control it and his awesomeness.. in her eyes, is worth dealing with it. BUT, going back to the original post...I'd like to know WHY DD says SA is mean to his mother.

They both delved out mental abuse to each other, and I'd think SA was more passive at it than BD. SA might have wanted BD to believe she was wearing the pants, but SA as we see, did as he pleased and would deal with consequences later...fight & makeup. No real biggie in his mind, just a step to get back to normal, because he knew BD really didn't want him to go away.

They both felt the need to control each other- trying to meet their own dependency needs. BD prolly wanting to maintain the relationship with a man who really was a boy, but she thought she could raise/change/shape him into it. I really don't see a real relaltionship commiment visioned by SA at all. He wanted a loving mother/roommate figure.. thrown in with cheap living expenses, sex, and enough perceived trust to do his thing on the side. The whole genre of horror movies and the macabre along with exploratory sex and etc were the only thin glue holding it together. Like I said before, I can't see SA holding a serious conversaton/thought for more than 5 minutes...and then it would have been a passing thought..not something of recall. In my day, he's about as "plastic" as you can get.

Two screwed up people who fed upon each other in the game of playing house. What future was talked about? What goals were they trying to reach? Were DD & HD even considered in anyway in that thought? Sadly I doubt it....even in BD's mind........as long as the kids caused no problems in their relationship, she didn't give a damn what they did...really.

Even with BD's troubled life, dependencies, etc., she should have acted upon her gut/mother instincts once HD went missing....but she didn't. That suggests, imo, she was way more involved with other dark sides she thinks are more of a dilema than her daughter's disappearance. She's no shrinking violet....she knew SA and yet approved and took part. I think there is more to come in the shock and awe with these two. If one's guilty, the other is too. If per chance, HD was abducted by a complete stranger, then the circumstances SA & BD found themselves in at the time were abated by the same dark sources they found pleasure in.

All IMO.

 

[tehcloser]

Billie Dunn, whose 13-year-old daughter has been missing since last December, says she has a protective order against Shawn Adkins, her former live-in boyfriend and the only named suspect in Hailey Dunn's disappearance.


Billie Dunn called KTAB reporter Priscilla Luong to inform her of the protective order, saying she had forgotten to mention it in the news conference she gave this afternoon.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353316

 

[tehcloser]

The protective order was filed as a direct result of what happened last night, Dunn told Luong. The filing cannot be confirmed at this time because the courts are closed.


http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353316

 

[tehcloser]

hmmm.......Not working BD, not working even a "little bit".

 

[Kimster]

"Billie Dunn called KTAB reporter Priscilla Luong to inform her of the protective order, saying she had forgotten to mention it in the news conference she gave this afternoon".http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353316

OH that works. Now we all feel so much better about her.

 

[Wondergirl]

Billie Dunn, whose 13-year-old daughter has been missing since last December, says she has a protective order against Shawn Adkins, her former live-in boyfriend and the only named suspect in Hailey Dunn's disappearance.


Billie Dunn called KTAB reporter Priscilla Luong to inform her of the protective order, saying she had forgotten to mention it in the news conference she gave this afternoon.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext/?nxd_id=353316

I can just see where all this is going.

Can't wait to hear the next part of the story.

Geesh. It's just unbelievable.

 

[tehcloser]

Does she really think this is fooling anyone????????? All she is doing is trying to save her own arse.