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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #16

    the trail would be a longer distance to travel
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

    the bikes TG saw could have been owned by other kids (if they were kids bikes) that were there before L and L arrived. that would make the timeline better..if we can trust the cctv
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

    either they were going closer to the lake or not...in this case not
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

    yep thats it i think.
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

    good question so i looked it up...you can but its not reliable since pure urine would not contain cells but its likely there are some cells there
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    the perp(s) would not snatch them then drive a distance to dump the bikes...why risk getting seen or leaving evidence on the bikes or purse..makes no sense to me.. if they picked up the bikes and the girls they could just keep the bikes and put them in the trash somewhere or destroyed...
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    not sure when Abben said this but TG did not report the bike sighting until the day after the abduction
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    back to the timeline. the girls in the cctv were traveling west..that would add some distance/time to their travel to the lake
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    the camera looks onto brovan ave from the rear of cornbelt auctions http://goo.gl/maps/ZtsWE
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    do we know if the place where TG saw the bikes was the same location as when they were found later? i think this is important..it would poss. establish when the girls were abducted..if he saw the bikes in one location and their position moved it could suggest that they moved them...however if...
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    yes..good point and its an important one because it establishes the start of the timeline. if its 12:11 it works...if its 12:19 it doesnt
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    the cctv time was 12:11 plus 8 minutes for correction would be 12:19..whether the cctv time was really off by 8 minutes is anyones guess now.im starting to doubt it
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    me too..thanks...yes six minutes im guessing 1.3 to 1.4 miles
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    but there are not 8 minutes in the timeline!! cctv at 12:19 TG at 12:20? add 5 minutes for error 12:25 gives us 6 minutes max...that would also mean that TG rode from the bikes to the rest room did his thing then called his daughter by 12:27 (2 minutes). someone makes sense of it for me..i cannot
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    if i was LE he'd be a suspect and perhaps for a time he was..but they have access to more details that we do
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    good question..i took the fastest possible root and still it was 6 minutes..im assuming google does not take in to account stopping for intersections etc..if the fastest possible root does not fit then longer routes would also not fit...just a guess really
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    they didnt stop at lake ave they stopped behind the lake..please include the distance to the area behind the lake..about 1.3 miles in my est.
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    mr g saw the bikes then road to the rest room and then calld his daughter at 12:27..that means all of that took 7 minutes...sounds reasonable..even if mr g was off by 5 minutes that would mean he saw the bikes at 12:25 which would give the girls 6 minutes to make the trip and get off of the...
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    nope 1.2 6 minutes by bike...doesnt include the distance to the location of the bikes behind the lake or stopping http://goo.gl/maps/AGDwA
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    IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

    google maps lists it at 1.2 miles not counting the trail behind the lake...where r you getting 8 minutes? the cctv has it at 12:19 and TG says he saw the bikes at 12:20. not saying your wrong just trying to understand the timeline

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