4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[sunshineray]

They also said that Chapin was killed in the doorway of Kernodle’s room, and Kernodle apparently fought back. She repeatedly grabbed the knife from suspect Bryan Kohberger, and she suffered deep cuts to her fingers. Chapin apparently suffered a slash to the neck, according to sources.

Sources: Idaho victim who was killed last fought back

Certain details conflict with what the coroner in the case, and police, initially said.

www.newsnationnow.com

2/3/2023

Can someone explain what AT meant, especially that very last bit BBM. Is she saying no, we're not giving the prosecutors anything until we submitted it at trial OR is she saying the prosecutors haven't given the defense that list of things yet? Or is the defense just withholding discovery by saying whatever they have is not exculpatory evidence?

From your link...

"This week, when prosecutors asked Taylor to share any evidence that might prove Kohberger’s innocence, she said, “there are no books, papers, documents, photographs, or copies, or portions thereof in the possession of the defendant at this time, which will be submitted at the time of trial.”

 

[Charlot123]

You just described BK's defense. I do not agree. The defense themselves admit he is an avid proficient
runner.

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Info about Kohberger’s defense revealed

Kohberger’s physical condition, alternative perpetrator argument among the topics of recent court filings

www.lmtribune.com

Kohberger’s defense team will also argue he is not physically capable of committing the crimes.

They say Kohberger's developmental coordination disorder would make it impossible for him to kill four people in such a short timeframe. This disorder affects his fine motor dexterity and visual motor function, the court documents say.

“Such speed and coordination are not possible for him,” the document states.

They revealed information about his other medical conditions: autism spectrum disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder.

I don’t think fine motor skills are needed for killing, tbh. The defense is essentially saying, “he cannot be a surgeon” while the proper question should be, “can he be in special forces?” Different requirements.

About running, Running, biking and swimming are sports where midline stays fixed/straight. JMO, they are not as much affected by developmental coordination disorder. Dancing should be affected more. Or, performing sequential actions in a short time. Or - any activity where right and left side of the body would need to perform different movements at the same time; even alpine skiing might be difficult.

But we don’t know much about BK. I would agree that if BK did not notice DM he may have a certain visiospatial issue.

Personally, I would be surprised if anyone could navigate, rapidly kill and escape an unknown place. You almost imagine someone well-trained, with experience in such activities, or, indeed, two people used to work as a couple. But again, we don’t know how things progressed.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don’t think fine motor skills are needed for killing, tbh. The defense is essentially saying, “he cannot be a surgeon” while the proper question should be, “can he be in special forces?” Different requirements.

About running, Running, biking and swimming are sports where midline stays fixed/straight. JMO, they are not as much affected by developmental coordination disorder. Dancing should be affected more. Or, performing sequential actions in a short time. Or - any activity where right and left side of the body would need to perform different movements at the same time; even alpine skiing might be difficult.

But we don’t know much about BK. I would agree that if BK did not notice DM he may have a certain visiospatial issue.

Personally, I would be surprised if anyone could navigate, rapidly kill and escape an unknown place. You almost imagine someone well-trained, with experience in such activities, or, indeed, two people used to work as a couple. But again, we don’t know how things progressed.

Right, an unknown place but I believe BK studied this house closely and practiced how to get in. Probably creeping around. You could stand on the back street and see into both KGs and MM's windows. MM even had her initials in the window.

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[NCWatcher]

I don’t think fine motor skills are needed for killing, tbh. The defense is essentially saying, “he cannot be a surgeon” while the proper question should be, “can he be in special forces?” Different requirements.

About running, Running, biking and swimming are sports where midline stays fixed/straight. JMO, they are not as much affected by developmental coordination disorder. Dancing should be affected more. Or, performing sequential actions in a short time. Or - any activity where right and left side of the body would need to perform different movements at the same time; even alpine skiing might be difficult.

But we don’t know much about BK. I would agree that if BK did not notice DM he may have a certain visiospatial issue.

Personally, I would be surprised if anyone could navigate, rapidly kill and escape an unknown place. You almost imagine someone well-trained, with experience in such activities, or, indeed, two people used to work as a couple. But again, we don’t know how things progressed.

BBM

You are correct, we don't know much about BK. Often it seems we think we do based on anonymous source media reports. Or people believe information gleaned from social media they believe was written by BK, while nothing has been proven in that regard for those sources. Or people believe named media sources reporting what THEY SAY happened with BK over a decade ago. While these sources could be credible, they aren't under oath and may have their own reasons for reporting-- 15 minutes of fame, historical "issues" with BK that were never resolved, and so on. People on WS are free to believe those sources but they aren't "proof."
MOO

 

[Warwick7]

100 meters...
What is that, about a block and a half away from victims home?

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t think fine motor skills are needed for killing, tbh. The defense is essentially saying, “he cannot be a surgeon” while the proper question should be, “can he be in special forces?” Different requirements.

About running, Running, biking and swimming are sports where midline stays fixed/straight. JMO, they are not as much affected by developmental coordination disorder. Dancing should be affected more. Or, performing sequential actions in a short time. Or - any activity where right and left side of the body would need to perform different movements at the same time; even alpine skiing might be difficult.

But we don’t know much about BK. I would agree that if BK did not notice DM he may have a certain visiospatial issue.

Personally, I would be surprised if anyone could navigate, rapidly kill and escape an unknown place. You almost imagine someone well-trained, with experience in such activities, or, indeed, two people used to work as a couple. But again, we don’t know how things progressed.

An interesting article about a much younger BK's dealing with his "visual snow" condition. I've also thought it may be why he didn't see DM standing at her door. The condition, as far as perception, probably worsens distortions, in the darkness.

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[sunshineray]

100 meters...
What is that, about a block and a half away from victims home?

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Google AI is telling me a NYC Manhattan block is approximately 274 meters long or about 900 feet. City block to more rural blocks probably differ in design layout?

 

[Boxer]

100 meters...
What is that, about a block and a half away from victims home?

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Google AI is telling me a NYC Manhattan block is approximately 274 meters long or about 900 feet. City block to more rural blocks probably differ in design layout?

Google maps has a measure feature. 328 feet or 100 meters is almost completely contained inside the King Queen Rd. Area.

Where King Rd. exits on to Taylor is almost exactly 328 feet from 1122 King Rd. as the crow flies.

 

[Warwick7]

 

[Kemug]

I like to see that the State is now doing the same thing the D has been trying to do-----asking for suppression of certain terms and negative suggestions used in front of the jury.

The D wants to suppress terms such as 'Psychopath' and 'Bushy eyebrows.'

Oh, she's talking about the psychopath with bushy eyebrows?

 

[Kemug]

I do wonder how close that Doordash guy was to being another victim?

 

[girlhasnoname]

whats peoples thinking about this "fine motor clumsiness" implications when it comes to the wounds inflicted and the length of time it would have taken to actually do as alleged?

It's a ridiculous and desperate suggestion by the Defense. It doesn't take fine motor skills to forcefully stab victims in the upper body area with a 12 inch made for killing knife.

Kick rocks on that one AT. She's now trying to paint BK as a non physical functioning invalid and that just isn't the case.

JMO

EBM: Added word for clarity

 

[girlhasnoname]

IMO, I wonder what AT thinks about BK boxing ability. There are quotes from BK where he touted his boxing abilities. Boxers train to be agile. I wonder how she reconciles the opposing views; clumsy/agile?

Agreed, boxing requires specific hand and motor shills. Come on AT, is that really the best you have?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Well but wasn't he fired from the job for bad dexterity?

Idaho murders suspect was fired because he was so bad at using a knife

Charles Conklin, pictured left, told DailyMail.com that Kohberger lasted just 20 days at his fishing lake as he was so unskilled at fileting fish, while the 'loner' was also 'difficult, withdrawn and shy'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

BK also applied for a job with LE in Pullman, so I don't believe he had major dexterity issues at all. Ridiculous attempt by the Defense, but they have nothing else, so...spaghetti defense.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Don't use rings. There are a lot of shower curtain styles. Some easier to use than others. Here's one such:

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Easy breezy...

RUDSJÖN shower curtain rings, stainless steel color - IKEA

RUDSJÖN shower curtain rings, stainless steel color

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Easier than rings, but still a PIA.

 

[Swansee]

Seems that the easiest way to counteract the state's "incomplete data" would be to have the buyer of the items for the road trip, or hiking, including roasdside repair kit, tire inflator, backpack and bear spray and, apparently, a KaBar knife to just produce them. Show them to us. Settled . JMO

Exactly this: where are they?
Supposing BK were innocent, then it should be fairly straightforward for him to say: yes, I did buy a kbar knife and sheath for whatever reason, and they are right here in my home/ in my car/ at my parents'/ at a friend's house.

Other posters may find this silly, but more than touch DNA and blurry white sedan footage, this is the exact point that got me off the fence about his guilt: We now know he bought an identical sheath to the one found at the crime scene. So where is his sheath now?
In evidence, apparently.

 

[Zinn]

100 meters...
What is that, about a block and a half away from victims home?

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Would you mind pointing me to the document that mentions 100 meters? I missed it somehow and would like to get caught up on it. TIA.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Kohberger defense:

1.) "Many alternate perpetrators can be connected to the crimes.”
2.) " Not physically capable of committing the crimes."
3.) "Autism spectrum disorder."
4.) "Obsessive compulsive disorder."
5.) "His phone will partially corroborate his alibi."
6.) "DNA on the knife sheath was planted.”
7.) "The witness was unreliable because she had been drinking that night."
8.) "Bushy eyebrows is not enough of a description to qualify as evidence."
9.) "No DNA evidence was found in Kohberger's apartment, home, office, and vehicle."
10.) "Kohberger had no connection to the victims."

New Bryan Kohberger selfie on night of murders, Amazon knife purchase revealed

Prosecutors say Bryan Kohberger’s Amazon history proves he purchased a Ka-Bar knife eight months prior to the Idaho student murders.

www.fox13seattle.com

Bryan Kohberger’s potential defense revealed amid DNA battle

Genetic genealogy and DNA, which were used to identify Bryan Kohberger, are at the center of the Idaho Four student murders case.

lawandcrime.com

Info about Kohberger’s defense revealed

Kohberger’s physical condition, alternative perpetrator argument among the topics of recent court filings

www.lmtribune.com

 

[Warwick7]

Would you mind pointing me to the document that mentions 100 meters? I missed it somehow and would like to get caught up on it. TIA.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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Reporting BK runs a 6 minute mile.

Impressive if true. As a runner, even in peak running form, I could never get to a 6 mm.