4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Ghostwheel]

Yes, in some ways he was kind of lazy. Ordering the knife, sheath and sharpener on Amazon, using his own credit card? It makes much more sense to just go to a hunting show, where he could have bought a knife and sharpener and paid cash, used fake name etc.

He could have thrown away the receipts for the black mask and Dickies coveralls as well. That was just dumb.

Using his own car was dumb as well. Maybe he should have rented one and put stolen plates on it , just until he returned it?

There is also the possibility he wanted to be caught or didn't care if he was caught. I always think of the BTK killer who couldn't stand that no one knew he did it. There is sometimes a need for notoriety.

 

[katydid23]

You know what surprises me. I’d define myself as a person with good fine but bad gross motor skills. It is more visiospatial. To cope, I try to do things slowly (never drive a mile above the speed limit, never tailgate to allow space and time to react). For someone to kill, as they write, in 8 minutes, and cleanly, a person has to have good gross motor skills. I’d think it is less about filleting and more about, turn right, now to another room, step over, get out. So the question is, did BK possess such qualities? Was he good at PE, does he have good right-left discrimination? What about mental discipline? I honestly have no idea.

---I think he had the necessary strength and motor skills to pull that off.
He was a trained boxer, which takes strength and good motor skills. He was also a long distance runner. Again, one needs balance, coordination, endurance and good motor skills for that.

---Knowing that he bought a Kabar knife, sheath and sharpener, AND a black baclava just like the one DM drew a picture of, AND a black Dickies one piece work coverall, really puts an exclamation point on the DNA, imo.

---Add in the exact same type of car tracked on cctv and with no front plate, and the phone logs showing the ping map will lock it down even more.

---Then there are the homework assignments which prove that he KNEW exactly how to prevent leaving useful forensics behind. And the receipts he left behind corroborate that.

---Kohberger was creeping around the 1122 King Rd home 23 times between July 9th to November 7th 2022 on his 8458 phone.
Phone pinged 28 times in early mornings hours [10 pm to 4 am] within 328 ft of crime scene
Officer Balance testifies as such

 

[katydid23]

I wasn't saying everything we have read is necessarily false about BK nor was I addressing physical issues as that came up as an issue after I posted. But much of what has been said hasn't been verified.

The story from Casey Arntz didn't happen to him, it happened, assuming it happened, to his brother AND given that it occurred in high school, it happened over a decade earlier.

There have been things said by anonymous sources or by unsourced sources that I'm not ready to accept as truth necessarily. And for example, much has been made by some about his "mandatory" program change in high school revealed by the (IMO) 15-minutes of fame named school counselor. If the story she told was true, it was a definite FERPA violation. If it wasn't and either she made it up or embellished on a school record she had no direct knowledge of, that's a serious professional violation of a different sort, one IMO shared by the teacher and advisor to the online program BK finished to graduate from high school in 2013.

Many of the stories about having trouble with female university students as a TA sounded quite similar. That could mean the stories were describing similar real-life events OR it could mean quite the opposite. Personally I think it's odd none of the reporters who supposedly talked to these students said they saw the questionably graded work or even that the students offered to show the reporter their work. And, as I've said before, the "meeting" the professor supposedly set up between the disgruntled students and BK ("Here, have at him.") is something that never would happen at any doctoral,granting university I know of, especially with an adjunct/teaching or non-tenured/non-tenure track professor. But if it did happen, the professor would not emerge unscathed. The "I didn't do it, he did" is rarely a viable defense for a supervising professor to use. And the later university investigation did not support the idea that women were treated differently by BK. It's possible the university was in crisis/*** covering mode but it's always possible there was nothing to find.

Similarly, much has been made of the work BK did for a fellow grad student in setting up electronic surveillance at her apartment. So far as I know, no evidence has been uncovered that he did the initial snooping that prompted her to have an electronic security system nor that he used an electronic "back door" to snoop undetected later on. But it seems many have accepted the story as 100% true.
MOO

Wasn't it reported that he was going to lose his TA job because of an altercation with his Professor?

There were meetings set up to by the admins to try and 'help him' understand' what he needed to improve, from what I have read.

And I do think the manager of one of the bars he used to frequent, had notes about BK's creepy behaviour with the waitresses---asking them where they lived and when their shifts were etc, and he'd act miffed if they refused to answer personal questions. If it is true that he is on the spectrum, then that does make some sense. He might just have social miscues and some awkwardness.

 

[NCWatcher]

Wasn't it reported that he was going to lose his TA job because of an altercation with his Professor?

There were meetings set up to by the admins to try and 'help him' understand' what he needed to improve, from what I have read.

And I do think the manager of one of the bars he used to frequent, had notes about BK's creepy behaviour with the waitresses---asking them where they lived and when their shifts were etc, and he'd act miffed if they refused to answer personal questions. If it is true that he is on the spectrum, then that does make some sense. He might just have social miscues and some awkwardness.

Yes, there was crrtainly something going on with his TA. But I do not believe the meeting reported by a student, if it happened, was a university-sanctioned meeting aimed at improving BK's and interactions with professor after an altercation. That meeting was not with BK and. the professor/administrators but with BK, the professor, and some upset students. The professor supposedly began the meeting by telling the students "Have at him" or "Let him have it" speaking of BK supposedly shocking even the student who reported on the mtg. That certainly isn't the way to show BK how to be a more effective and even-handed paper grader! (Since the published course syllabus written by the professor contained no guidance for the students or for BK. And supposed grading was the students' complaint, not how BK treated the professor!)

I do not know if the bar manager's story is true but it certainly has been accepted as true by many people after the fact. I think if I found a customer that much of a threat that I think I'd not need to keep " extensive notes", I'd kick him out first. People are banned from bars all the time. In fact, it seems pretty common in rowdy college bars.
MOO

 

[katydid23]

Yes, there was crrtainly something going on with his TA. But I do not believe the meeting reported by a student, if it happened, was a university-sanctioned meeting aimed at improving ABK's and interactions with professor after an altercation. That meeting was not with BK and. the professor/administrators but with BK, the professor, and some upset students. The professor supposedly began the meeting by telling the students ",Have at him" or "Let him have it" speaking of BK supposedly shocking even the studentoo who reported on the mtg. That certainly isn't the way to show BK how to be a more effective and even-handed paper grader! (Since the published course syllabus written by the professor contained no guidance for the students or for BK. And supposed that was thevstudents'

I do not know if the bar managers story is true but it certainly has need accepted as true by many people after the fact. I think if I found a customer that much of a threat that I think I'd need to keep " extensive notes", I'd kick him out. People are banned from bars all the time. I'm fact, it seems pretty common in rowdy college bars.

If what his Defense team is saying is true, and he is on the autism spectrum, then perhaps he does have some social awkwardness?

There are a whole lot of stories that have come out from friends and even family, discussing some concerns. It was said that one of his sisters was suspicious that he might have been involved in the Moscow murders because his car matched. It would take more than a similar car for me to believe that my older brother was tangled up in a brutal quadruple murder. But my younger brother was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic as a young man, and was very erratic when off his meds, so I would have been suspicious if his car matched that of a murder suspect leaving a crime.

I guess I tend to give more weight to those stories because his DNA was found on the knife sheath under the bodies. And he probably bought a matching knife and sheath, and a matching black baclava, and a Dickie's all black work coverall, and he studied how to avoid leaving forensics behind at a stabbing incident, and his car matched the one leaving the scene of the crime, etc ....

If none of the above had happened, I might be more likely to doubt those stories about him being creepy with women, But right now, I'm feeling that's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[NCWatcher]

If what his Defense team is saying is true, and he is on the autism spectrum, then perhaps he does have some social awkwardness?

There are a whole lot of stories that have come out from friends and even family, discussing some concerns. It was said that one of his sisters was suspicious that he might have been involved in the Moscow murders because his car matched. It would take more than a similar car for me to believe that my older brother was tangled up in a brutal quadruple murder. But my younger brother was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic as a young man, and was very erratic when off his meds, so I would have been suspicious if his car matched that of a murder suspect leaving a crime.

I guess I tend to give more weight to those stories because his DNA was found on the knife sheath under the bodies. And he probably bought a matching knife and sheath, and a matching black baclava, and a Dickie's all black work coverall, and he studied how to avoid leaving forensics behind at a stabbing incident, and his car matched the one leaving the scene of the crime, etc ....

If none of the above had happened, I might be more likely to doubt those stories about him being creepy with women, But right now, I'm feeling that's just the tip of the iceberg.

You could be right. But that's not how I judge the strength of stories in the press. Since the trial hasn't started, the other evidence you mention hasn't yet been established (e.g., BK "probably"' buying a matching knife for the sheath and a baclava that matches supposedly missing evidence described by DM) So I'm not comfortable using that missing evidence to say the bar manager's story appearing in the press must be true. I'd want testimony to evaluate. It's not clear if the bar manager ever saw anything or tried to observe BK on multiple occasions or if his notes were of what he was told by waitresses. If the latter, they'd need to testify too. And I don't think they will. I doubt "proclivity" evidence will come in anyway (but the autism dx might help explain it if it does.) But even if it doesn't come in, that doesn't mean the jury might not be influenced by knowledge of that "shadow evidence." And yes, I know what voir dire is. I know seated jurors will have said they won't draw conclusions if BK doesn't testify, that they'll judge the case on what is presented in court and so on. I think people usually mean it when they agree to those conditions. But having served on juries, I can say it doesn't always work out that way.

MOO

 

[sunshineray]

The renters rented independently, I believe. There wasn't a single house rent that was split. Each bedroom was under a rental contract.

I don't think early on we knew what type the dead students were except that 3 of the 4 lived in the off-campus party house that periodically attracted police attention.

I think even EC had an acct at the same bank & that had nothing to do with the landlord at Kings Rd.
MOO

Still doesn't seem that odd to me about the bank accounts just more convenient.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Attacking DM is a huge mistake.

IMO. I don't think that they are attacking DM. I think that AT is pointing out that Investigators knew some or many of the things that DM was said wasn't true based on their own investigation of the Nov 13, 2022 and other people that LE has interviewed in the case and that DM's story of the events aren't credible and that LE shouldn't have based their investigation on her.

Lawyer You Know did a video about the 911 audio call and he talked about how during the trial that the 8 delay in calling 911 is going to have to be addressed and the kinds of questions that he is looking for the defense to asking during the trial.

All IMO.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?

and KG's accounts too. also about 3 or 5 redacted names depending on which search warrant you're reviewing. All IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Defense did not object to the demolition of 1122 KIng Rd house, but now their expert has all kinds of issues with a model replica the state wants to use, because, well, because among other things, it isn't going to have furniture, and also shows associated topography, and it is going to take him a while to analyze all the data, (apparently 4 months is not enough time) and he is going to have to plan a day trip to go look at it, when it is created, and... from the filing today...

9. ... I have been informed that the model will not have any furniture, original materials or other objects that take up space in the normal layout of the residence. The absence of these features can influence the appearance of spatial relationships as they actually existed and were captured in original photos and video...

10. Finally, on March 14, 2025, I was provided with the data from which the model will be built. This data includes over 100 individual 3D scans that have been stitched together and include not only the residence, but the topography of the surrounding landscape. Assessing this data will take considerable time and then examining the finished product and verifying scale, dimension and completeness will take additional time on top of that...

11. Once the download has been completed the analysis will take approximately one or two days to assess the scan data. After my analysis of the scan data is complete, I will need to arrange a viewing of the exhibit and a description as to how the scan data was translated into the actual physical exhibit needs to be provided.

12. Traveling to examine the model created and documenting what may be needed to further assess it are things that are not built into my schedule at this time...

Methinks the defense doth protest too much. JMO

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/032625+Defendants+Notice+of+Filing+Dec+iso+Obj+to+States+MIL+RE+Admissibility+of+Demonstrative+Exhibits.pdf

So this "expert" needs more than 4 months to ck out the plans and construction of a model empty house with outside hill/trees!? And this is going to possibly cause a delay in going to trial? I think the judge may have a few things to say about that.

 

[NCWatcher]

Still doesn't seem that odd to me about the bank accounts just more convenient.

Maybe.you are right. It's a bank without a branch in Moscow at least in 2022. I'm not sure why that's more convenient when plenty of other banks have branches in Moscow. . And it's not as though the students lived together forever. The murdered students began school at different times though and maybe their bank was the go-to bank for students at those times unbeknownst to LE. Since the students didn't know each other when each started school, only MM & KG could have chosen a bank together. I think it's odd but I also think it's probably just a coincidence. I can see why LE might have been interested though.
MOO

 

[303gmf]

Anyone change a shower curtain or liner lately? Those rings are a pain to change and require fine motor skills IMO, whether plastic or metal. IMO.

Exactly my thought!
Any receipts for all these new curtains so often AT?

 

[Sachi]

Amazon can tell from their end from the metadata--so they have info on which device a purchase was made on as well as if it was on browser or app.

BK would have had to have paid for it with a payment method that is trackable to him--otherwise we'd see bank records for his mom or dad being listed in the evidence to be authenticated (I just went back and checked and couldn't see any). Not to mention, if he had charged it to his mom or dad's payment method but had it shipped to him, he would have been risking them noticing a charge on their monthly statements they hadn't made and asking him about it.

Perhaps he archived the knife immediately like many of us do for Christmas gifts so no one saw it? Just spit ballin

 

[detectivewannab]

There is also the possibility he wanted to be caught or didn't care if he was caught. I always think of the BTK killer who couldn't stand that no one knew he did it. There is sometimes a need for notoriety.

Bk studied these killers to the point became worshipped.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder how BK feels that AT put it on blast that he can't tie his shoelaces.

I'm not certain he appreciates her strategy. Because it flies in the face of his assessment IMO. Thumbs up, heck ya.

IQ 119
EQ 4

JMO

 

[SortaSleuthy]

IMO:
The reason he bought the knife sharpener (along with the knife) was because he DIDN’T KNOW how sharp the knife was.

 

[Sweeper2000]

IMO:
The reason he bought the knife sharpener (along with the knife) was because he DIDN’T KNOW how sharp the knife was.

for fear of typing a cliche, he could just fancy himself a devil in the dark. kinda One who sits in the shadow repeatedly sharpening the knife.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?

also EC , MM. accounts too. All IMO.

 

[acutename]

Anyone understand the reason why BF, DM and XK's bank records would be needed? Possibly witness DM's to show where and how she spent money that night, if she was at a club or bar? But why would the prosecution care about murder victim XK's bank records? Just the DD timing? And I've not heard anything about witness BF previous whereabouts that night. Are the D saying she was also inebriated?

If these were requested early in the investigation (?) maybe still just looking for any connection between the suspect and the victims?... or any other connections that might have been related.

 

[KSwizzle]

Maybe they wanted bank account information to try to match days and times and stores they've spent money with Kohberger's account to see if he had been stalking them MOO