4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #103

[Warwick7]

Wasn't there a small 'reddish brown stain' found on the pillow? If so, BK could have taken all the bed linens so LE would be unable to obtain his DNA, but why would he leave the pillow? I personally don't think BK ever planned on returning to WSU after the winter break.

Thinking the stain on the pillow case transferred thru to the pillow at some point. I don't find that particularly strange, it could have come from BK scratching his face (zit - gross I know) or any type of small head/ facial or even hand wound.

JMO

P.S. - Do we know if bed linens were listed on the SW return for the apartment?

BBM
He started giving better grades as a TA. Between the murders and Christmas break.

I've often wondered if he would ever go back

How would he explain that to his dad?

 

[Warwick7]

Wasn't there a small 'reddish brown stain' found on the pillow? If so, BK could have taken all the bed linens so LE would be unable to obtain his DNA, but why would he leave the pillow? I personally don't think BK ever planned on returning to WSU after the winter break.

Thinking the stain on the pillow case transferred thru to the pillow at some point. I don't find that particularly strange, it could have come from BK scratching his face (zit - gross I know) or any type of small head/ facial or even hand wound.

JMO

P.S. - Do we know if bed linens were listed on the SW return for the apartment?

BBM
I can't remember. @SteveP may know.

 

[jepop]

No indication BF/DM assessed that Xana was passed out. That was HJ/EA, as far as we know. HJ then directed BF and DM to call 911.

The report of seeing Xana’s body from the hallway at roughly 4:00 PM is not a refection of visibility into Xana’s bedroom at roughly 12:00 PM when HJ discovered Xana not breathing during the 911 call. HJ and/or police might have altered the position of the door hours before the walkthrough detailed in the PCA. We don’t know one way or another. If the door was closed and HJ pushed it open, it’s understandable because the dispatcher was requesting information unavailable otherwise. JMO.

I think that's right and makes good sense. From memory, by 4pm forensics were about to commence processing the scene. The door to Xana's room may have been fully opened by those officers or altered in some way by other attending officers after they arrived post 911 call.

Apologies for lateness in response! Enjoyed reading a couple of your earlier thoughts on the timing of the up and down stairs situation and 'someone's here' comment (KG or XK). Thanks for those too.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Many high profile defendants have originally stood silent including:
Nikolas Cruz (eventually pled guilty in exchange for life sentence)
Ethan Crumbey (eventually pled guilty in exchange for life sentence)
Lori Vallow (found guilty, life sentence, currently on retrial as her own attorney)
Timmy Kinner (eventually pled guilty in exchange for life sentence)
Johnathan Daniel Renfro (Stood silent and received the DP)
Denis Radar (Stood silent, then pled guilty just as his trial was to begin in exchange for life.)
Chicago Seven (Stood silent, 2 acquitted, 5 sentenced to 5 years plus a $5,000 fine, all seven plus their attorney sentenced to prison for contempt of court.)

Now that there is mental health information in this case that BK may not perceive the seriousness of his situation due to his condition, I have wondered if AT chose to stand silent due to that. However, it is interesting to note that AT's other current DP client, Skylar Meade, also stood silent:

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article290882209.html

here's a video clip of Skylar Meade's hearing

Anne said that Skylar stands silence. The judge asked Skylar Meade if it was correct and he said yes.

But with Bryan Anne did stated that "we stand silence" and she didn't say "we" when Skylar Meade" Just FYI. I'm not sure about why the wording was different. All imo.

edited to add: But I see your point with you're post about other people in the past standing silence.

 

[SteveP]

Wasn't there a small 'reddish brown stain' found on the pillow? If so, BK could have taken all the bed linens so LE would be unable to obtain his DNA, but why would he leave the pillow? I personally don't think BK ever planned on returning to WSU after the winter break.

Thinking the stain on the pillow case transferred thru to the pillow at some point. I don't find that particularly strange, it could have come from BK scratching his face (zit - gross I know) or any type of small head/ facial or even hand wound.

JMO

P.S. - Do we know if bed linens were listed on the SW return for the apartment?

Bed linens were not listed on the SW return for the apartment, but a mattress cover was, and had multiple stains, one tested positive in presumptive test for blood, other stains not tested.

And yes, there was a reddish-brown stain found on an uncased pillow, and it tested positive for blood as well.

I may be wrong, but I do not get the sense that any of those spots are likely associated with the murders in any way.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

 

[Warwick7]

I watched this last night, in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep. I thought it was interesting GH shows the timing of the car and then, parallels it with the timing of text messages and calls made by the two roommates.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1909016770784198965

 

[Warwick7]

I watched this last night, in the middle of the night when I couldn't sleep. I thought it was interesting GH shows the timing of the car and then, parallels it with the timing of text messages and calls made by the two roommates.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1909016770784198965

And it sounds like he changed his mind as to where Ethan and Xana were and that the girls upstairs were killed first.

After taking in consideration what Kaylee's mother said, GH talks about Kaylee sitting up not laying down. And Ethan on the bed, and Xana on the floor in front of the door.

 

[Warwick7]

I went to look up details for BK's hearing on the 9th I found these:

4/7
Lori Vallow - Trial
Karen Read- Jury selection cont's - 9am
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9:30am

4/8
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9.30am

4/9
Bryan Kohberger - Motion hrg 9am

4/11
Menendez - resentencing motion

 

[Warwick7]

Bed linens were not listed on the SW return for the apartment, but a mattress cover was, and had multiple stains, one tested positive in presumptive test for blood, other stains not tested.

And yes, there was a reddish-brown stain found on an uncased pillow, and it tested positive for blood as well.

I may be wrong, but I do not get the sense that any of those spots are likely associated with the murders in any way.

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https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

Thank you for this!!

 

[Warwick7]

Am I right in saying that the first time we heard about the sheath was the PCA, right? And it was released to the public January 5th 2023, right?

 

[MassGuy]

Bed linens were not listed on the SW return for the apartment, but a mattress cover was, and had multiple stains, one tested positive in presumptive test for blood, other stains not tested.

And yes, there was a reddish-brown stain found on an uncased pillow, and it tested positive for blood as well.

I may be wrong, but I do not get the sense that any of those spots are likely associated with the murders in any way.

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https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/kohberger-search-records-from-wsu/6e5a6ce24a286a06/full.pdf

Yea, we'd know by now if those stains were relevant; they can't be.

 

[MassGuy]

Am I right in saying that the first time we heard about the sheath was the PCA, right? And it was released to the public January 5th 2023, right?

Correct. Within days of the murder, we were discussing the sheath on here though. We knew they were looking for a Kabar knife purchase, which meant they had the knife or the sheath to that knife.

Confirmation came in the PCA.

 

[Balthazar]

I went to look up details for BK's hearing on the 9th I found these:

4/7
Lori Vallow - Trial
Karen Read- Jury selection cont's - 9am
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9:30am

4/8
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9.30am

4/9
Bryan Kohberger - Motion hrg 9am

4/11
Menendez - resentencing motion

It should be a very interesting week for those following these various cases.

 

[SteveP]

Correct. Within days of the murder, we were discussing the sheath on here though. We knew they were looking for a Kabar knife purchase, which meant they had the knife or the sheath to that knife.

Confirmation came in the PCA.

Bringing forward your post from Nov 16, 2022, when we first learned that police were looking for a KaBar knife purchase, and many here surmised that to be looking with such specific information, LE must have had either the knife or a sheath in their possession. And, as you noted, we had that info confirmed in the PCA on Dec 29, 2022, IIRC.

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022'

Nov 16, 2022

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article268833397.html

Moscow police appear to be searching for a “Rambo”-style knife involved in the killing of four University of Idaho students, a store manager said Wednesday.

Scott Jutte, general manager of Moscow Building Supply, told the Idaho Statesman that police have visited the store more than once to ask whether the retailer sold anyone KA-BAR brand knives, which are also known as Kabar or K bar knives. KA-BAR, of Olean, New York, manufactures military-grade blades that were originally designed for use by American...

• MassGuy

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[detectivewannab]

I went to look up details for BK's hearing on the 9th I found these:

4/7
Lori Vallow - Trial
Karen Read- Jury selection cont's - 9am
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9:30am

4/8
Kouri Richins- Motions hrg - 9.30am

4/9
Bryan Kohberger - Motion hrg 9am

4/11
Menendez - resentencing motion

They should lock them all up in a house.

 

[Warwick7]

Bringing forward your post from Nov 16, 2022, when we first learned that police were looking for a KaBar knife purchase, and many here surmised that to be looking with such specific information, LE must have had either the knife or a sheath in their possession. And, as you noted, we had that info confirmed in the PCA on Dec 29, 2022, IIRC.

Post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022'

Nov 16, 2022

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article268833397.html

Moscow police appear to be searching for a “Rambo”-style knife involved in the killing of four University of Idaho students, a store manager said Wednesday.

Scott Jutte, general manager of Moscow Building Supply, told the Idaho Statesman that police have visited the store more than once to ask whether the retailer sold anyone KA-BAR brand knives, which are also known as Kabar or K bar knives. KA-BAR, of Olean, New York, manufactures military-grade blades that were originally designed for use by American...

• MassGuy

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Thank you.
However this says nothing of the sheath.
Does anyone know when when the public was notified there was a sheath found?

 

[10ofRods]

I think this case is an absolute legal quagmire. Have you noticed there have been many motions and a lack of rulings in the docs? Yes, I know the typical timeframe is 22 to 110 days and it is likely Hippler will rule during the hearing on the 9th. I'm interested in AT's Timing Advance Motion. Which way will Hippler choose to go? Either way he rules, I believe it legally can only lead to one outcome. Should be interesting.

The more I think about it, I believe BK's defense team has been concerned about one main thing: the Death Penalty. Every defense attorney wants to avoid that, for their client. Whether BK wants to avoid it, or not.

So much that's occurred seems to be anticipating a future of appeals. There's an undercurrent of "welp, the jury is going to convict him" and a lot of concern about how to position him for appeals (including the mental health claims).

It seems to me that his defense team has realized that the evidence is stacked high against him. It's a really unusual trial and in a state that is willing to actually apply the DP.

I think this one will be quite something to follow at trial!

 

[Warwick7]

They should lock them all up in a house.

Wowzers! That would be nuclear event
Lol!!

 

[MassGuy]

Thank you.
However this says nothing of the sheath.
Does anyone know when when the public was notified there was a sheath found?

That was the PCA, on January 5, or whatever it was.

 

[Warwick7]

That was the PCA, on January 5, or whatever it was.

Thank you!