4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Megnut]

As I pointed out yesterday, literally the first sentence of his article contains a known inaccuracy. Blum claims that for two intense days in a Boise courtroom last week, he listened, as prosecution and defense engaged in a combative back-and-forth on a multitude of crucial evidentiary issues. There are lots of things he could interpret subjectively, but the length of the hearing is not one of them. While it may have felt like two days to Judge Hippler, the hearing only lasted a single day. If the self-professed "longtime reporter on this case" can't even get the number of days of the hearing correct, what else in the article might be inaccurate? I know the source is an accepted source, but, like any other accepted source, that does not mean that I have to accept everything it says it as truth. Most msm sources contain reporting inaccuracies regularly, anymore. JMO

https://archive.md/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html

Respectfully enlarged in purple --

Yes, ut may indeed felt like two days to Judge Hippler, but that's nothing compared to the last hearing which aged him a year! (He had 2026 on his brain.)

Honestly, I can't imagine what it's like to be AT, stand before a judge, and tell him the reason you don't have your full alibi yet is because it's hiding in the part of discovery you haven't had time to look at.

And I further can't imagine what it's like to be AT, standing before the same judge, and tell him that the rest of the alibi is somehow connected to a 7 minute gap a full hour before the crime.

I just know that I personally wouldn't want to be an attorney on the receiving end of a cautionary reminder from the judge that I was an officer of the court or that he found ZERO evidence to support claims I'd staked my professional reputation on.

But that's just me.

JMO

 

[Gigiky]

If you read any book by an FBI profiler in regards to serial killers, they all talk about "precipitating stressors." These are traumatic life events (relationship troubles, legal trouble, financial trouble, etc), that result in the offender deciding to strike at a particular time. To me, it's clear that his school/work troubles are the most likely trigger here.

He of course doesn't meet the definition of a serial killer, but I have always been convinced he was behaving as one.

After googling this (definition of a serial killer) I think it would mean BK ,LVD and CD would be considered mass murders then? And I agree with you he was trying to behave like a serial killer. JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

After googling this (definition of a serial killer) I think it would mean BK ,LVD and CD would be considered mass murders then? And I agree with you he was trying to behave like a serial killer. JMO.

Yes it's weird. BK meets the definition of a mass murderer (FBI uses a threshold of 4), but his psychology doesn't match.

There's a simple explanation for this though; he almost certainly intended to kill a single victim, but things got out of hand.

 

[realanastasia]

I truly agree.

He seems to have been their problem child for quite a long time. The sisters are successful, so IMO the issues are unique to Bryan.

And yes, from everything we’ve come to know, his parents did try in whatever ways they could to help him live a “normal” life.

It’s very difficult to look at your own child and see a monster.

In light of the BK we “know” from the media, his persistence looks like an evil thing. Otherwise I’d think it laudatory for someone lose 130 lbs. in a year.

Now that just strikes me as something sinister, because everything about him seems sinister after the fact.

IMO

I wonder if BK’s apparent “problems” with women (which were apparently noted during his academic career going back to high school) have any connection to his role in his family. Conjecture only here, but if his two older female siblings were high achievers academically and were socially well-adjusted as teens/young adults, the amount of, and type of, attention they got from their parents might’ve been quite different from the attention the Kohbergers paid to their overweight, illegal substance-dabbling/-abusing, socially-awkward teenage/young adult son, and he may have resented the sisters for having (in his mind only) effortlessly achieved the social and scholastic successes (and probably earned the positive parental attention) he himself felt entitled to as the family’s only male child. It’s not hard to imagine that his resentment of women (particularly those around his own age/slightly younger) might’ve started in the home and just grew in scope and intensity as he got older.

 

[gremlin444]

I can imagine that went over like a lead balloon. Do we know anything about BK's work history?

In addition to what CoolCats posted about BK's other job, he did work as a part time security officer at his old school district (where his mom and dad also worked):

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was dropped from high school police course after complaint

In high school, Bryan Kohberger, now suspected of killing four University of Idaho students in Moscow, was kicked out of his law enforcement training program after a complaint was made about him stemming from an incident involving female students, according to a former administrator at the...

www.spokesman.com

"From 2016 to 2021, Kohberger also was employed as a weekend security officer at the Pleasant Valley School District, where his parents also worked, the Statesman previously reported. He resigned from the position in June 2021, according to district employment records obtained through a public records request.....When Kohberger resigned from the school district, Curcio said Kohberger told him he planned to go back to school full time. Kohberger finished a master’s at DeSales in June 2022"

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Bryan Kohberger self-assessment form reveals new details about suspect

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16…I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful," Kohberger said in a 2015 job application.

www.newsweek.com

In 2015 Kohberger filled out an application for a job as a school security guard in the Pleasant Valley School district of Pennsylvania.

Under a section headed "Describe any specialized training, skills and extra-curricular activities," Kohberger wrote: "I boxed after school every day at the Jesse Harris Boxing Gym on 209 near Big Cheese Pizza, when it was still open."

"I also attended a year of the Law Enforcement Program and I learned how to patrol and do basic security procedures. I also learned how to do HVAC (Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) at Monroe Career & Technical Institute (MCTI)."

"I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking" (a competitive improvisational speaking style.) "I was a boxer and am still a runner. I believe dedication and perseverance are the most important skills learned from my activities," he said.

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16 while attending High School and MCTI. I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful."

In the employment experience section of his application form, Kohberger put down fish cutter and a meat wrapper at BJ's Wholesale Club.

Of his fish cutter role, Kohberger wrote: "I cut the fish to the specifications of the customer."
Of his job as a meat wrapper, Kohberger wrote: "I did multiple things here, mostly the meat wrapping and produce positions."

"I made sure tags were correct, prices were matching on the outside shelves. I stocked the shelves with meat products and I unstocked the shipment that came in overnight, about 3 or 4 times a week."

Years Before Firing from University Job, Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was Problematic 'Fish Cutter' Employee

"He was withdrawn and didn't show improvement," a former employer of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger tells PEOPLE

people.com

According to Charles Conklin, the owner of Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes in Effort, Pa., Kohberger worked for him for a period of four months in 2011 as a seasonal employee when Kohberger was in high school.

Kohberger was trained by Conklin to cut and filet raw fish. However, Kohberger never warmed up and got friendly, he was withdrawn and didn't show improvement. Conklin forbid him from interacting with customers.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article278493574.html

In high school, Bryan Kohberger was kicked out of his law enforcement training program after a complaint was made about him stemming from an incident involving other students, according to a former administrator at the county’s technical school.

Do we know how his weight loss at age 15 - 16 relates to the years he was a heroine addict? Before? After? I don’t think I’ve read how old he was and how long his addiction went on.

[I will give him credit for that — conquering that terrible drug addiction although seemingly it was maybe replaced by OCD-type habits. I’m not in the mental health field and using those terms very loosely.] MOO.

 

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[girlhasnoname]

I don't think they can talk about the girl that he helped with her cameras because she admitted she had no proof that he did anything wrong. She just felt he was creepy and suspicious. But with no proof it wont be admitted into evidence.

I haven't seen any women's stories that are strong enough evidence of anything yet. Just thinking a guy is awkward or creepy is not enough evidence of anything.

Maybe the high school friends that claim he was a bully that assaulted some of them, by putting them in headlocks and stuff might be able to come in, but only because the Defense is trying to say he wasn't physically capable of harming anyone ?

Right, prior bad acts may not be admissible unless the Defense opens a door. The female HS student that he had some type of altercation with that ended up with BK being moved out of the class to HVAC (males only) seems serious.

I still wonder what the PA Grand Jury testimony from BK's parents was about. Had to be something related to the ID case, because PA did share their testimony with ID LE, which is unusual.

There's something substantial in BK's background that shows a propensity for this type of violence IMO.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Yes, I have been asked this very thing. Oh boy I would love to know what BK said to him.

Hah - BK probably debated the fact that the officer even saw him present in his car at that location at that time for goodness knows how long. The dude is a master manipulate of the facts.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

So I think this is what we have so far (please add to or correct what I've missed):

State's Motions
Demonstrative Evidence--GRANTED
AT&T TARs--GRANTED (qualified regarding very brief voir dire outside presence of jury)
404(b) Traffic Stop--GRANTED (with noted redactions)
Alibi--DENIED (premature at this time)
Improper Death Penalty Comments--DENIED as unnecessary
Alternative Perpetrator--RESERVED (proof by 14 May)
Self-Authentication--RESERVED
Immediate Family Members in Court--GRANTED (family of victims) RESERVED (family of defendant)
Neuropsychological and Psychiatric--GRANTED in part, RESERVED in part

Defendant's Motions
Use of Terms Psychopath and Sociopath--GRANTED
Inflammatory Evidence--DENIED
Use of Term Murder--DENIED as unnecessary
Witness ID by Bushy Eyebrows--DENIED
Unnoticed 404(b) Evidence--DENIED
Amazon Click Activity--DENIED
Make and Model of Vehicle--DENIED
Statistical Analysis--DENIED
RN and Use of Touch/Contact DNA--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Conditions as Aggravator--GRANTED in part/DENIED in part
Inconclusive Data--DENIED as moot/GRANTED as applied to question asked before Grand Jury

Both State and Defense made motions regarding IGG Evidence, but for different reasons. Motions were GRANTED.

What else?

JMO

Very well put together and sound decision by Judge Hippler IMO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Or hopefully decided before the trial starts. If that's the course, why put the families and friends through such pain needlessly? MO

I believe BK will refuse any deals he wants to 'enjoy the game' as long as possible, and I don't think the State is planning on offering one unless it's taking the DP off the table for 4 LWOP sentences.

moo

 

[girlhasnoname]

Do we know how his weight loss at age 15 - 16 relates to the years he was a heroine addict? Before? After? I don’t think I’ve read how old he was and how long his addiction went on.

[I will give him credit for that — conquering that terrible drug addiction although seemingly it was maybe replaced by OCD-type habits. I’m not in the mental health field and using those terms very loosely.] MOO.

I believe BK's weight loss happened before his heroin addiction. Maybe he traded one addictive tendency, food, for another, heroin and/or running. It's his marked behavioral changes noticed by friends from one year to the next I find most interesting.

It seems like the weight loss and boxing routine gave him the confidence to be more domineering and aggressive in general. Just speculation based on the stories from HS and post HS friends. It's also intriguing that none of the friends that have spoken out about BK describe him as Autistic or OCD like. They refer to his behavior as strange, aggressive, and self-boasting about his intelligence.

JMO

 

[dalsglen]

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16 while attending High School and MCTI. I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful."

Bet whoever read that job application got a good laugh. How embarrassing to put something like that on an application.

 

[Megnut]

Bet whoever read that job application got a good laugh. How embarrassing to put something like that on an application.

Is it quantifiably any more embarrassing than trying to suggest his inability to tie his shoelaces as a child equates to an inability to kill with a Kbar as an adult?

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I wish the Delphi Judge had authored this kind of ruling. Frankly its high time to put a stop to these baseless conspiracies that high profile defence attorneys seem to think they can file. Its not ethical.

I agree.
I was happy the judge here reminded AT she was an officer of the court and she should know better than to be dragging large cans full of garbage into the courtroom.

 

[Bipolar Express]

Bringing this forward as I wasn't in time to reply on the last thread (I got distracted with softball lol).

I think maybe DM slightly misheard, and it's possible that she heard Xana say "Is someone here?" Rather than making the statement "Someone is here", as a result of seeing the sliding door open. Especially if she had just closed it after receiving her delivery?

This has been my thought. IMO I can see how “is someone here?” might sound like “Theres someone here” which would make more sense in a house where there were often random people there.

 

[DizzyB]

I wonder how BK feels about AT’s portrayal of him. Does he think it’s a stroke of genius and he intends to play the part, or is he insulted? I’m getting Edward Norton Primal Fear vibes.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder how BK feels about AT’s portrayal of him. Does he think it’s a stroke of genius and he intends to play the part, or is he insulted? I’m getting Edward Norton Primal Fear vibes.

I've got to believe it bothers him. We know he doesn't take criticism well (his TA position), and overall, he strikes me as a guy without a great deal of self awareness. He's one of these "it's everyone else" people.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I hadn’t realized he was traveling with a Glock. That does add interesting layers to the discussion on “why drive?”

Did LE ask him when stopped in Indiana if he was afraid to fly?

2nd traffic stop

During the second stop by Indiana State Police, the state trooper does not appear to ask for Kohberger’s driver’s license, although he did ask him whether he was afraid to fly. However, the trooper did not issue a warning or citation and did not run Kohberger’s driver’s license through his computer system.

I can of course see why BK wanted his car in WA when he first moved out there. But to then drive back and forth at winter break to PA just doesn't make much sense.

LE found a Glock, no rounds in it, in his basement bedroom during the search. In fact, LE found 3 empty magazines in the bedroom as well. I know ammunition is expensive, but that didn't make sense to me. Anyway, I'm wondering if that's why he insisted on driving his car, rather than flying, if he had his gun with him. And certainly IF he had any idea that his car would be suspect, he would want it out of there. But his trip with his father had been planned all along. According to our man Blum, the father was not going to make the return trip with him. IMO.

 

[Warwick7]

Bryan Kohberger self-assessment form reveals new details about suspect

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16…I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful," Kohberger said in a 2015 job application.

www.newsweek.com

In 2015 Kohberger filled out an application for a job as a school security guard in the Pleasant Valley School district of Pennsylvania.

Under a section headed "Describe any specialized training, skills and extra-curricular activities," Kohberger wrote: "I boxed after school every day at the Jesse Harris Boxing Gym on 209 near Big Cheese Pizza, when it was still open."

"I also attended a year of the Law Enforcement Program and I learned how to patrol and do basic security procedures. I also learned how to do HVAC (Heating, ventilation, and air conditioning) at Monroe Career & Technical Institute (MCTI)."

"I was the District 11 Skills USA regional champion in 2011 for extemporaneous speaking" (a competitive improvisational speaking style.) "I was a boxer and am still a runner. I believe dedication and perseverance are the most important skills learned from my activities," he said.

"I lost 130 lbs at age 15 into age 16 while attending High School and MCTI. I believe this is proof that I have the required dedication to be successful."

In the employment experience section of his application form, Kohberger put down fish cutter and a meat wrapper at BJ's Wholesale Club.

Of his fish cutter role, Kohberger wrote: "I cut the fish to the specifications of the customer."
Of his job as a meat wrapper, Kohberger wrote: "I did multiple things here, mostly the meat wrapping and produce positions."

"I made sure tags were correct, prices were matching on the outside shelves. I stocked the shelves with meat products and I unstocked the shipment that came in overnight, about 3 or 4 times a week."

Years Before Firing from University Job, Idaho Suspect Bryan Kohberger Was Problematic 'Fish Cutter' Employee

"He was withdrawn and didn't show improvement," a former employer of Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger tells PEOPLE

people.com

According to Charles Conklin, the owner of Big Brown Fish and Pay Lakes in Effort, Pa., Kohberger worked for him for a period of four months in 2011 as a seasonal employee when Kohberger was in high school.

Kohberger was trained by Conklin to cut and filet raw fish. However, Kohberger never warmed up and got friendly, he was withdrawn and didn't show improvement. Conklin forbid him from interacting with customers.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article278493574.html

In high school, Bryan Kohberger was kicked out of his law enforcement training program after a complaint was made about him stemming from an incident involving other students, according to a former administrator at the county’s technical school.

Coolcats, this post is good. After reading his self made accomplishments, I want to ask him...do you also walk on water?