4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[girlhasnoname]

The more details that trickle out, the more countermeasures we see, like trying to bury his Kbar purchase. Fiber-free coveralls & Co.
I wonder what we (LE) missed.

Did he swap a license plate or obscure his?

Did he manipulate his cellphone, beyond turning it off?

Was he committed to that morning by virtue of all of his preparation?

Did he construct an alibry that backfired on account of the delay in entry? All that looping left quite a gap for his cellphone, with 90+% battery life, to be offline. Did the hold up mess up a strategy we aren't privy to?

How smug is he, in the courtroom? Inwardly laughing at the parts LE still has wrong? Or deriding AT for failing to see the light? He must be busting at the seams at his brilliance, that they can't see it.

JMO

I thought that too before hearing this interview with SG.

I believe BK knows he is done, cooked, cold hard busted. Going to prison for LWOP or getting the DP and I love the fact that he knows how hugely he screwed up and how much evidence the State has in their case. Maybe the smugness is his hate towards himself for being so careless and stupid on actions and things that a Grand Criminal 'Mastermind' would never have done.

He's embarrassed IMO, no books, no movies about his Mass Murder Serial Killer greatness, just loser Bryan screwing up again, but murdering 4 innocent, wonderful, productive members of society for no reason at all but his sick fantasies.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I thought about this. I understand in reading previously that one (or both) sister was a psychologist. Imagine the introspection you get from your young brothers childhood looking back. Combined with your interactions, his recent move to Pullman/WSU to pursue criminology, and your impressions during 2022 family time. You would have to act! You could also be in danger.

I understood that the father was a HVAC professional and the mother a paraprofessional, both at his school. I sort of guess that they were concerned about young BK, struggling with how to support him, and both took positions when available at his school. If I am remotely accurate, that says something about their concern. This is speculation, of course. And I deeply feel for them. BK is their son and they cannot just abandon him. It is complicated.

I do however, wonder if they try to see his needed support as normal/a stage and inadvertently contributed to the problem, not setting established boundaries or intervening early on. As you do with most forms of denial, you can wait too long or stay in denial. Combine this with his individual issues of heroin and 130# weight loss during important growth periods for the developing brain. It is a lot. I do not want to be overly harsh. I, myself, would strugle with how to assess, prioritize, and get him the support he needed. JMOO

I believe BK's parents did the very best they could. His Dad did hold him responsible when he stole his sister's iPhone, put him in Rehab (very expensive), paid for the rumored plastic surgery after his massive weight loss (very expensive) to help boost his confidence IMO, so I believe they tried everything and as much as any parent could have to help BK adhere to social norms.

There is just no way to fix a broken mind with evil thoughts or tendencies, and that is how BK presents to me. His parents and siblings are also his victims.

MOO

JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

That's true, so a mini shovel, on it's own, is pretty meaningless. But if the jury takes the whole thing in context, including the CAST map of the route taken home,

The P needs more than the fact he had a mini shovel in his car.
The route was not in the CAST report we have seen.
This is a possible route imagined by LLE in the PCA.
No video of the car leaving the neighborhood after walenta or Moscow according to BP.
BP in the PCA:
Based on my knowledge ofthe area and review of camera footage in the neighborhood that does not show Suspect vehicle 1 during that timeframe, I believe that Suspect Vehicle I likely exited the neighborhood at Palouse River Drive and Conestoga Drive.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR29-22-2805/122922+Affidavit+-+Exhibit+A+-+Statement+of+Brett-Payne.pdf

It wasn't seen on 95 either.
Which is interesting since they do have an image of a white sedan twice that morning, at two different time periods.
We will have to wait and see if anything is included in ABs power point disclosure.
JMO

in the rural, remote area at 5 am, then the idea that he was possibly burying evidence works better if he has a little shovel with a pointed end for dirt, not snow. imo
All alone, it means nothing. But in the context of him possibly driving back roads before sunrise, with bloody clothing and a knife to hide, it becomes more important.

Time available needs to be considered.
JMO

Just like the info that he did in fact buy a Kabar w/sheath and sharpener---as people have said, many people have bought knives on Amazon. So its not necessarily incriminating.

But most people can either show those weapons to police if asked, or have a stolen property report. I don't think BK had either.

Agree IF he didn't have one or a reason for not having it.
We don't know about one knife found in PA.
Listed as number 1 on the PA return.

https://www.pacourts.us/Storage/media/pdfs/20230302/150419-dec.29,2022-searchwarrant(hyundaielantra),inventory,exhibits.pdf

JMO

And then there's the pesky report of his DNA being found at the scene on the sheath.

Transfer DNA.
JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

SG said there was discussion between Idaho LE and FBI as to who would proceed with the investigation and trial. It was decided it would be Idaho. The reason was the FBI couldn't pursue the death penalty but Idaho could.

I believe the FBI CAN pursue the DP in this case based on it being committed crossing state lines. I recall SG mentioning in the video posted that it was a big discussion, Moscow wanted to prosecute there, but if anything should happen, mistrial, etc. the FBI could step in and pursue the DP.

1. The FBI does not directly charge individuals; they investigate and gather evidence for federal cases.
2. The death penalty is applicable in federal cases involving certain serious crimes, such as murder.
3. In Idaho, the state has its own laws regarding the death penalty, which may differ from federal regulations.
4. Federal prosecutors can seek the death penalty if a crime violates federal law and meets specific criteria.
5. The decision to pursue the death penalty involves coordination between federal and state authorities.
6. Ultimately, the U.S. Attorney General has the final say on whether to seek the death penalty in federal cases.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Kind of a random question..

I'm bad at estimating heights. Does anyone have a good read on how tall Kaylee was? It's relevant to a thought I just had.

DM stated she was 5' 10' in that photo of the six of them taken the day of the murders with Maddie on Kaylee's shoulder you could guesstimate her height from that. If DM is on the far left (I think she is) at 5'8" I'd say Kaylee was 5' 6" or 7".

Strictly my opinion in looking at the photo.

EBM: Changed DM's height.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I cannot, for the life with me, other than in argument, understand what would possess a man to attack a woman by punching her in the face (and of course stabbing her repeatedly). I can intellectually understand if there was an argument or emotionally understand personal relationship dynamics. But, anger toward another in this way would be via personal motivation. I really don't understand anyone who thinks this way (deranged). Sort of, I am going to take my angst out on someone rather randomly. So pointless. Is it not relevant that your message is understood? I am remembering the strange selfie here. What did you accomplish? Nothing. Nothing makes this makes sense. Is this just a human beings mind collapsing in on itself?

It is not just misdirected energy, it is nonsensical. Psychologists have to explain motive. JMOO

Some people are just evil and broken. I think BK punched Kaylee to silence her most of all.

JMO

 

[Tealgrove]

Some people are just evil and broken. I think BK punched Kaylee to silence her most of all.

JMO

Agree. He needed to gain control.

In the dark he may not have even known who she was in that moment. I truly believe that Kayley and her dog were a complete surprise.

Lash out, punch her out, stab her repeatedly and let her die.

He’s a monster. No way around it.

He’s also not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, although he seems to think so.

MOO

 

[SteveP]

DM stated she was 5' 10' in that photo of the six of them taken the day of the murders with Maddie on Kaylee's shoulder you could guesstimate her height from that. If DM is on the far left (I think she is) at 5'8" I'd say Kaylee was 5' 6" or 7".

Strictly my opinion in looking at the photo.

EBM: Changed DM's height.

I struggle with KG's height guesstimate, because although DM is 5'10", and that is her on the left, she is leaning in a bit, in the photo. I think if she was standing completely erect, it would add few more inches to her appearance, and a bit more of a difference between her and Kaylee in the pic. I think KG is probably no more than maybe 5'5. Interested in hearing what poster @gremlin444 's thoughts are that prompted the question. JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I struggle with KG's height guesstimate, because although DM is 5'10", and that is her on the left, she is leaning in a bit, in the photo. I think if she was standing completely erect, it would add few more inches to her appearance, and a bit more of a difference between her and Kaylee in the pic. I think KG is probably no more than maybe 5'5. Interested in hearing what poster @gremlin444 's thoughts are that prompted the question. JMO

Yes, thanks, I changed my OP when I saw yours stating DM at 5' 10" (she was a good bit taller than the rest of the girls). Plus, DM said the person she saw was taller than her 6' or so. Bingo.

Yes @gremlin444, we'd love to hear your thoughts.

JMO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I believe the FBI CAN pursue the DP in this case based on it being committed crossing state lines. I recall SG mentioning in the video posted that it was a big discussion, Moscow wanted to prosecute there, but if anything should happen, mistrial, etc. the FBI could step in and pursue the DP.

1. The FBI does not directly charge individuals; they investigate and gather evidence for federal cases.
2. The death penalty is applicable in federal cases involving certain serious crimes, such as murder.
3. In Idaho, the state has its own laws regarding the death penalty, which may differ from federal regulations.
4. Federal prosecutors can seek the death penalty if a crime violates federal law and meets specific criteria.
5. The decision to pursue the death penalty involves coordination between federal and state authorities.
6. Ultimately, the U.S. Attorney General has the final say on whether to seek the death penalty in federal cases.

MOO

I think the crossing state lines criteria applies to the victims being taken across state lines, not the killer crossing state lines to commit the crime. Like a kidnapping.
That is why so often we hear of the FBI helping out in an investigation but the being prosecuted by the state and local authorities.
I might be wrong about that, but that’s what I always thought.

 

[Miss Poovy]

MOO the Fed does have the death penalty, but it’s a lot harder to get and Idaho most definitely has the DP ready for appropriate crimes.

Two reports on how the federal death penalty may be enforced & DOJ involvement. The Karen Read CBS goes into the Luigi Mangione charges.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/25/g-s1-62736/luigi-mangione-death-penalty-white-house-capital-punishment

Jury in Karen Read murder trial visits home where John O'Keefe was found dead

On Day 4 of Karen Read's second murder trial, jurors visited the crime scene where Read is accused of hitting her boyfriend, John O'Keefe, with her car and leaving him to die in the snow, which she denies. CBS News Boston's Kristina Rex reports. Then, lawyer and legal analyst Eric Guster joins...

www.cbsnews.com

 

[MassGuy]

He said he got it from the coroner which I have no reason to doubt since the coroner wasn't exactly tight lipped in the beginning with the media and I'm sure she would have been accommodating to the parents themselves. Obviously everything must be taken with a grain of salt until the trial, but it's definitely something I can imagine he would have done.

I'm referring to the stuff about BK googling the murders before they happened, and that sort of thing. I do believe his daughter was struck, as that was supported by information in that recent filing.

 

[Miss Poovy]

I'm referring to the stuff about BK googling the murders before they happened, and that sort of thing. I do believe his daughter was struck, as that was supported by information in that recent filing.

The brutality of the murders once the case goes to trial may be jarring . . . beyond what’s in the public domain.

 

[Cool Cats]

'You shouldn't run from the truth': Father of Idaho murders victim speaks out ahead of trial

Steve Goncalves, father of victim Kaylee Goncalves, expressed cautious optimism about the legal proceedings while emphasizing the importance of justice.

www.ktvb.com

Goncalves discussed the recent developments in the case, highlighting his belief that transferring the case to Boise has improved the legal process. "Before we transferred to Boise, we were looking at three, four years," he said. "Now we're making progress."

He also criticized what he sees as potential issues in the justice system, including a lengthy trial processes and media attention that he believes could glorify criminal behavior.

"We're sending a message when we have somebody that's in the justice system wearing suits, getting vegan meals, and all this attention is on him, and all these girls are looking at him, and he's getting a fan club," Goncalves said. "And it's two and a half years, and they see no repercussions. We're giving messages to young Americans that you can get away with this, become famous."

 

[MassGuy]

The brutality of the murders once the case goes to trial may be jarring . . . beyond what’s in the public domain.

I'm expecting Xana's autopsy results to show that her death was the most brutal, as the evidence seems to strongly indicate she fought back.

 

[Cool Cats]

The brutality of the murders once the case goes to trial may be jarring . . . beyond what’s in the public domain.

Steve G already mentioned that. That other things happened like his daughter being punched in the face. And that possibly 90% of the case is being kept from the public and that bothers him because the facts of the case will not hurt the jury.

In other words sounds like overwhelming evidence. I am talking for conviction.

2 Cents

 

[Miss Poovy]

Steve G already mentioned that. That other things happened like his daughter being punched in the face. And that possibly 90% of the case is being kept from the public and that bothers him because the facts of the case will not hurt the jury.

In other words sounds like overwhelming evidence. I am talking for conviction.

2 Cents

Yes, I just now read the article you posted.

 

[MassGuy]

Make of this what you will.

I have it on excellent authority that Dateline will be airing another episode on this case within the next month. Computer/phone stuff will feature prominently, with his phone content being particularly damning (content, not just location stuff, which will also be mentioned).

In the first episode we learned about the knife purchase, and that one of his sisters was very suspicious (defense alluded to one family member in particular being called (prosecution did say more), and SG has been talking about this one family member himself.

I'd expect more of that, just in relation to his digital trail.

 

[Cool Cats]

Bryan Kohberger's new mugshot tantalizes his twisted fans

Bryan Kohberger's twisted fans, who are infatuated by quadruple murder suspect, have descended into a frenzy after his new mugshot was published by Ada County Sheriff's Office this week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In case anyone missed this from last September - New mugshot

 

[Sachi]

Ugh, a big pic of him