4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Rumination1]

Wait. Where is this information about BK's mother?

His mother doesn't want him to plead guilty and avoid trial?

First I heard of his mom's opinion.

It was in daily mail article quoted by katydid … I ll try and find

 

[Rumination1]

Apparently this trip was planned for a long time. It certainly was a drain on his father, according to Blum.

When stopped by LE on the trip home, BK was asked if he was afraid to fly, if that was the reason they made the cross-country drive.

But I wonder of BK wanted his Glock with him, and didn't want to declare it and check it at the airport. Wanted to keep a low profile. Maybe target practice in a rural area was what he did on his night time drives.

Did he carry a gun ? If so did his dad know that and Is that why he agreed to assist with driving not flying ?

Was his father more suspicious of his son than we have been led to believe …. Getting Brian Landry vibes here

 

[Cool Cats]

Apparently this trip was planned for a long time. It certainly was a drain on his father, according to Blum.

When stopped by LE on the trip home, BK was asked if he was afraid to fly, if that was the reason they made the cross-country drive.

But I wonder of BK wanted his Glock with him, and didn't want to declare it and check it at the airport. Wanted to keep a low profile. Maybe target practice in a rural area was what he did on his night time drives.

Interesting.

BK driving because he could not take a gun on a plane....hummmm

 

[Cool Cats]

It was in daily mail article quoted by katydid … I ll try and find

Cool. Thanks

 

[Rumination1]

Wait. Where is this information about BK's mother?

His mother doesn't want him to plead guilty and avoid trial? Avoid the DP?

First I heard of his mom's opinion.

https://archive.md/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

 

[Cool Cats]

https://archive.md/2025.04.17-063057/https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14618245/bryan-kohberger-trial-idaho-murders-mother-sabotage.html#selection-1397.0-1415.103

Nothing substantiates BK's mother wanting her son to turn down a plea offer. She very well may want him to take a plea bargain to avoid death row. Not pleading guilty opens the door to likely conviction and death row.

( Sources close to Kohberger's family tell me that Kohberger's mother Maryann is encouraging her son to plead not guilty, in the face of mountains of evidence.)

No offense to you but I see this article as gossip more than news. BK has a constitutional right to decide for himself how he wants to plead. No judge would allow a defendant's attorney to plead guilty for their client against their client's wishes.

Even if the judge allowed AT to plead guilty for him in open court while he stands silent - BK would still have to acknowledge, under oath, that this is what he wants.

If BK wishes to plead guilty then this will be done in open court under oath for the record in front of the families, including signing his guilty confessions right there.

It would be made clear that BK understands that he would be giving up his constitutional rights to a fair trial, and the chance to appeal his guilty verdicts. He could still appeal his sentence.

Then at sentencing he would have to listen to victim impact statements and he would be allowed to address the court and have his say if he wanted to.

2 Cents

 

[jepop]

Agree. And I feel like Blum's description of what happened in court does not really match what I saw for myself.
JMO

Blum writing for the Daily Mail now? With his insufferable hyperbole and loose-with-the facts style? Preparing to down some large grains of salt when reading this, including claims about BK's mother. Why doesn't he leave BK's parents alone. What rumours and problems is his 'report' going to cause them. It's Blum. Enough said. Just my bias-against- Blum opinion.

 

[Rumination1]

Nothing substantiates BK's mother wanting her son to turn down a plea offer. She very well may want him to take a plea bargain to avoid death row. Not pleading guilty opens the door to possible conviction and death row.

No offense to you but I see this article as gossip more than news. BK has a constitutional right to decide for himself how he wants to plead. No judge would allow a defendant's attorney to plead guilty for their client against their client's wishes.

This is not how it is done. Even if the judge - for some lawful extreme reason - allowed AT to plead guilty for him,
BK would still have to acknowledge, under oath, that this is what he wants.

If BK wishes to plead guilty then this will be done in open court under oath for the record in front of the families, including signing his guilty confessions right there.

It would be made clear that BK understands that he would be giving up his constitutional rights to a fair trial, and the chance to appeal his guilty verdicts. He could still appeal his sentence.

Then at sentencing he would have to listen to victim impact statements and he would be allowed to address the court and have his say if he wanted to.

2 Cents

I’m not offended. I’m learning … good points you make
Yes those articles could be gossip … I do respect your educated explanation

My ultimate thought was how tricky for the family … Maryann is on record against the death penalty and now they navigate their son facing such charge …, they are bound to have their opinions as to how he should plead.
If this were my son and I had my opinion that he had or hadn’t done it it’s now a whole mess to navigate since the death penalty is still on the table .

 

[Boxer]

That^^^ info about his mother being the one encouraging him to plead Not Guilty makes me wonder about his 'Not Speaking' the actual Not Guilty plea in court. AT made a big deal about it being a symbolic thing, showing they were not aligning themselves with the court's attempt to convict him, or something like that.

But could it be as simple as him not being convinced that he should plead Not Guilty?


I think he probably said he was shopping at Winco, the all night supermarket. Am I remembering correctly that he claimed to shop there frequently?

I do remember that in the State’s ‘Motion in Limine Re Authentication of Records’ there was an interesting tidbit.

Of all the retail outlets listed, it seems like it's only Winco, that includes evidence for both Kohberger and the young women victims. They requested financial records and surveillance video for the roommates, as well as financial records for Kohberger.

Given that this is being presented as evidence what’s the significance?

We know that the police probably scoured transaction's timelines to find correlations between the victims and Kohberger. Did they find it at Winco?

Its the only 24 hour grocery in Pullman Moscow area. Party runs are probably pretty frequent.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Speaking of family: was BK not planning to return to WashState for the second semester? If money is tight in their household, why did father fly out to drive back with BK? Then, presumably Dad would need to drive back out with him after the holiday break and fly home again.

Wouldn’t it have been more efficient for BK to just fly back and forth for Christmas instead of Dad flying two times on top of the cost/effort of cross-country driving?

Just my musings, but maybe BK wasn’t planning to return? Or maybe wasn’t planning on coming back with a white Elantra? I can’t remember if he left anything much in his apartment — except his computer. MOO.

I've always thought BK had no intention of returning to WSU after winter break.

 

[katydid23]

I've always thought BK had no intention of returning to WSU after winter break.

Me too, except for the computer he left behind. I don't understand that part.

 

[girlhasnoname]

BK purchased the knife and sheath well before he moved to ID. Did he already have plans to use it on someone he noticed online beforehand or did he just take it and select the victim(s) after he got there in June?

That's what makes me unsure of him targeting Maddie or Kaylee only verses the house in general. He brought the knife with him from PA...why?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Me too, except for the computer he left behind. I don't understand that part.

Maybe BK destroyed the hard drive before he left? Or maybe he had one specific computer that he used for work/school only and it had nothing incriminating on it?

He definitely knew about computers and their technology. Perfect way to leave something that showed no connection to the house or roommates.

jmo

 

[sunshineray]

Correct.

Here is the order of events from what is in the PCA and recent filings over the last month:

--4:00 a.m. approximately: DM woken up by what she thought was sounds of KG playing with her dog upstairs
--"a short time later"--DM hears who she thinks is KG say "there's someone here"--police note XK's Tiktok shows she was likely active on her phone at 4:12 and it could have been her saying it
--DM opens door for the first time, looks out, sees nothing. Closes door.
--DM hears what she thinks is crying/whimper from XK's room
--DM opens her door a 2nd time, while door is open she hears "It's okay, I'm going to help you." Closes door.
--for a reason we are not aware of (not yet stated in the court docs that have been made available, including the PCA), DM opens her door a third time. Sees masked man in black walking towards and past her to kitchen. Closes and locks door. Begins calling roommates.

I wonder if it was Murphy's barking that made DM open her door that 3rd time. The dog's barking was supposedly heard along with whimpering (canine or human we don't know) and a large thud on the neighbor's security camera at around 4:17am, wasn't it?

 

[sunshineray]

BK purchased the knife and sheath well before he moved to ID. Did he already have plans to use it on someone he noticed online beforehand or did he just take it and select the victim(s) after he got there in June?

That's what makes me unsure of him targeting Maddie or Kaylee only verses the house in general. He brought the knife with him from PA...why?

Maybe he had nefarious plans in his own state before ever deciding to go to Washington St? Just packed it up and brought it along with him.

 

[Sjöberg]

I have been out of the loop for a while. Is he known as the "bushy eyebrowed killer" yet?

Can the previous victims of his harassment also testify about his character, to show the escalating behaviour? Mostly recalling the incident with the cameras at a girls place, but iirc there was some more?

 

[katydid23]

I have been out of the loop for a while. Is he known as the "bushy eyebrowed killer" yet?

Can the previous victims of his harassment also testify about his character, to show the escalating behaviour? Mostly recalling the incident with the cameras at a girls place, but iirc there was some more?

I don't think they can talk about the girl that he helped with her cameras because she admitted she had no proof that he did anything wrong. She just felt he was creepy and suspicious. But with no proof it wont be admitted into evidence.

I haven't seen any women's stories that are strong enough evidence of anything yet. Just thinking a guy is awkward or creepy is not enough evidence of anything.

Maybe the high school friends that claim he was a bully that assaulted some of them, by putting them in headlocks and stuff might be able to come in, but only because the Defense is trying to say he wasn't physically capable of harming anyone ?

 

[Sachi]

My heart goes out to her because the survivor's guilt must be beyond measure, but the stark truth, had she somehow intervened that night, she'd be dead, too. Had she called 911 early, no lives would have been saved. BK brought a deadly weapon that he used fully.

One day, may she take comfort in knowing that, by opening her door, by being able to describe what she saw, by texting her roommates thus locking in an undisputable timeline, she did right by MM, KG, XK and EC. Ultimately may her testimony put BK away for good so that he can do no more harm.

May the rude and unkind element of social media fade away and the kinder, gentler one endure.

The stuff of nightmares, she faced a murderer in the dark of night, and she will have to face him again, in the light of court. He brought her four friends down with a knife. She will bring him down with the truth.

Would love to bring gems like this forward to every thread. Spot on and thank you for your honest and deep shares , always so well written.
Dang, Thank you all -from simple yet important questions asked, life and professional experience shared, the many set it straight opinions on media source credibility updated court data and evidence posted which keeps threads (hopefully) from going off the rails. What a caring community. Humbled and learning over here.

 

[Sachi]

I think Kohberger's motive was to rape Maddy. Sneak into the house, kill her, and then rape her. He could then have hours with her dead body until sunrise. Why her? Possibly an interaction the two of them had at the restaurant where she worked. I guess we will never know, but he is evil for sure.

He is so similar to Ted Bundy. If there is such a thing as reincarnation, then this is my best guess.

Well, with his style Of murdering that innocent girl , I can’t imagine this.

 

[NoeticSoul]

Well, with his style Of murdering that innocent girl , I can’t imagine this.

Yeah, he'd have her blood/dna all over him if he chose to do that. He very well may have had that ideation though! I'd never put anything past this monster.