4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #105

[Warwick7]

To answer your question no one person could not do all of that in 12 minutes in my opinion with only a knife. No way anyone leaves that scene without blood or DNA evidence in my opinion.

BBM
You are right. It was done in 7 minutes. M00

 

[Reacher]

"To see if one person could have committed four killings in roughly 13 minutes, investigators conducted time runs at the house, the prosecution wrote in a filing last week. Gilbertson will testify that the time runs done by investigators confirmed one person could have carried out the homicides alone."

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article302871174.html#storylink=cpy

With all due respect in my opinion that 'time run' is absolutely meaningless to say the least. You could run one to prove he could do it in 5 minutes if you wanted to or you could do one that says it would take at least 20 minutes. It'd be more believable if he brought blood/DNA evidence with him in his car but he didn't which in my opinion means it's not possible in 13 minutes.

It's as meaningless and misleading in my opinion as when the prosecution claimed his phone pinged 23 times in the area and everyone took that as if he was in their driveway.

 

[Justice101]

To answer your question no one person could not do all of that in 12 minutes in my opinion with only a knife. No way anyone leaves that scene without blood or DNA evidence in my opinion.

Yeh, the victim's blood which was probably found on the outside on the ground where it dripped from his clothes as he left.

However, his car was not tested for blood for 2 months... and he had cleaned the car by then.

Maybe I have missed and do apologise, buy what is the main point?

 

[Warwick7]

With all due respect in my opinion that 'time run' is absolutely meaningless to say the least. You could run one to prove he could do it in 5 minutes if you wanted to or you could do one that says it would take at least 20 minutes. It'd be more believable if he brought blood/DNA evidence with him in his car but he didn't which in my opinion means it's not possible in 13 minutes.

It's as meaningless and misleading in my opinion as when the prosecution claimed his phone pinged 23 times in the area and everyone took that as if he was in their driveway.

BBM
Who? The test run or BK?

 

[Megnut]

These were very small bedrooms IMO, with very little floor space. I think, in the final analysis, the crime scene will bear this out: MM had next to no reaction time. KG, more. Not enough to defend herself but enough that BK had to improvise, resulting in the same fatal wounding, just more haphazard in delivery.

Similarly, I think EC had next to no time to react, at most sitting up. Much has been said of XK's defensive wounds, and I won't in any way minimize the horror of what she witnessed and experienced. She was perhaps the most awake of the roommates. But BK had the advantages of ambush, kbar and size. It's quite possible XK was attacked twice -- near fatal injuries, followed by EC being killed, then fully fatal injuries. Doubtful she was able to engage in any real hand to hand combat. Small room. Mostly bed. BK's wingspan -- 6'+. Add a Kbar and there's virtually no place in a small room he can't reach. IMO XK's injuries will reveal the brutality of the Kbar's design and the savagery with which BK yielded it, against a victim who had exactly nowhere to move. At most, her hands flew up or out, to protect herself, or to existing wounds, or to try to grab the knife. Any and all of which would have resulted in additional wounds, to her hands, and IMO a bloodletting only imagined in movies. Arterial spray, blood spatter from the knife itself, much of which BK may have been surprisingly clear of. Behind the knife, above all four victims.

Chaotic but BK remained in control of the knife. Utterly defenseless victims, which was his intention.

IMO it took him longer to park, enter, exit and drive away than the killing took. Hardly longer than had he used a gun.

JMO

 

[INfisherman]

It’s probably a good thing the juror’s opinions will ultimately be the ones who matter most.

MOO

 

[jepop]

To answer your question no one person could not do all of that in 12 minutes in my opinion with only a knife. No way anyone leaves that scene without blood or DNA evidence in my opinion.

The evidence as we know it at this juncture points to one and only one perpetrator. We haven't seen AT provide insinuations, speculation, or any potential evidence or theories via motions, trying to impeach the CSIs who must have worked on and analysed the crime scene. No Motions to Suppress CSI experts, for eg, based on 'impossibility of one perp being responsible' or similar. No MILs alleging the same. So I don't see any basis within the known facts of this case for what you allege. Moo

Come trial we will get the full picture. My conjecture is that the prosecution will lay out the time line and the physical evidence as analysed at the crime scene to show BARD that it was indeed one perpetrator, Brian Kohberger, who committed these four murders. Defense can insert a ToDDI (or two Toddis) into their case in chief only if they can meet the nexus required. But I don't think that will happen. One thing that this investigation did not suffer from, moo, was tunnel vision. Defense will not find a candidate TODDI or TODDIs. Jmo

Generic SODDI will be implied or insinuated at every opportunity imo, but I don't imagine this will even make a dent in the State's case because of the overwhelming very solid evidence that BK committed these murders. Moo

 

[Warwick7]

With all due respect in my opinion that 'time run' is absolutely meaningless to say the least. You could run one to prove he could do it in 5 minutes if you wanted to or you could do one that says it would take at least 20 minutes. It'd be more believable if he brought blood/DNA evidence with him in his car but he didn't which in my opinion means it's not possible in 13 minutes.

It's as meaningless and misleading in my opinion as when the prosecution claimed his phone pinged 23 times in the area and everyone took that as if he was in their driveway.

7 minutes on the clock.

 

[Warwick7]

7 minutes for the murders.

 

[Reacher]

Yeh, the victim's blood which was probably found on the outside on the ground where it dripped from his clothes as he left.

However, his car was not tested for blood for 2 months... and he had cleaned the car by then.

Maybe I have missed and do apologise, buy what is the main point?

Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.

 

[jepop]

Court held a hearing to determine whether a Frank's hearing was warranted. It wasn't.

JMO

Yes this is true but also see @wendy44's post up thread that explains in more detail how Hippler handled the sealed portion of the hearing dealing with Frank's Motion as it pertained to the IGG. For the sake of convenience he heard evidence under the preponderance of evidence rule as an actual Franks hearing ( only as pertaining to the IGG) because the defense already had the evidence prepped for the separate MTS based on improper use of IGG ( which of course Hippler also denied). It's in Hippler's order regarding the Frank's motion.

None of this, the way it was handled by Hippler, is an issue or a big deal moo but that is the way it happened. Jmo

 

[Warwick7]

Sy Ray a conspiracy theorist you say? This is the first time in his career he's worked with the defense. Was he a conspiracy theorist all the times he worked with the prosecution?

<modsnip - accusing the court of misconduct with no evidence>

BBM
You would have to ask Judge Hippler or the Jedge working with those in prosecution.

What we do know is:
1. Hippler called him a conspiracy theorist.
2. Sy Ray has found himself and his mapping software, Trax, under questions about reliability before.

“I’ve seen in previous cases where his credibility has been brought into question,” said Mark Pfoff, a cellular technology expert and former sheriff’s detective in El Paso County, Colorado."

University of Idaho murder suspect's alibi defense puts spotlight on cellphone data analyst

Bryan Kohberger's defense team said it will turn to an Arizona-based cellphone data expert, Sy Ray, who has typically worked for the prosecution in criminal cases.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[MeadowMuffin]

To answer your question no one person could not do all of that in 12 minutes in my opinion with only a knife. No way anyone leaves that scene without blood or DNA evidence in my opinion.

BBM
Have you seen this type knife?

Blade is 7 inches. It's considered a fighting, or hunting knife. Large, heavy, deadly.

He planned to knife people to death. He would have studied where the human heart, lungs, liver, carotid artery were. He knew where to stab and slash. Sorry for the bluntness. Sit still for 1 minute. IMO it would have taken mere seconds to kill Maddie who was asleep and defenseless. And I'd bet less than a minute for Kaylee.

Do not discount BK's weapon, which evidence has shown he purchased on Amazon.

 

[Warwick7]

Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.

BBM
Yes. M00 he covered the inside of that car with plastic. He flouted himself as a criminologist, he would know about plastic.

 

[SteveP]

Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.

He was actually SEEN by LE cleaning his car in Pa. Article is linked below.

Kohberger, who was pursuing a PhD in criminal justice at Washington State University at the time of the killings, “cleaned his car, inside and outside, not missing an inch,” according to the law enforcement source.

He almost certainly took careful precautions to minimize that chance of getting victims' blood or DNA in his car, perhaps that missing shower curtain, to cover the seat and floorboard areas, and he surely shed his murder clothing and gloves before getting into his car and speeding away, but he also had about 6 weeks to clean his car, which he very likely did multiple times. JMO

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/06/us/idaho-killings-suspect-bryan-kohberger-friday/index.html

 

[Warwick7]

Probably found? You think he dripped blood on the ground and somehow did not get any in his car?

They tested his car for a lot more than just blood and they found nothing with no sign of him cleaning the car either. If he did try to clean the car we'd of heard about it by know in my opinion.

BBM
He did the car. LE had him under surveillance while he did it. And we do know about it.

"The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended, a law enforcement source tells CNN."

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger cleaned car, was seen wearing surgical gloves, source says

In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source.

abc7.com

 

[wendy44]

With all due respect in my opinion that 'time run' is absolutely meaningless to say the least. You could run one to prove he could do it in 5 minutes if you wanted to or you could do one that says it would take at least 20 minutes. It'd be more believable if he brought blood/DNA evidence with him in his car but he didn't which in my opinion means it's not possible in 13 minutes.

It's as meaningless and misleading in my opinion as when the prosecution claimed his phone pinged 23 times in the area and everyone took that as if he was in their driveway.

Bolded by me--if you could run a test to prove he could do it in 5 minutes then it does indeed prove it could be done in 5 minutes.
JMO

 

[Justice101]

BBM
You are right. It was done in 7 minutes. M00

I challenge anyone who thinks it could not be done in 7 minutes... to set a timer and walk around your house or apartment for 7 minutes.

This amount of time is incredibly long for moving up and down in one house and killing people.

 

[Warwick7]

I challenge anyone who thinks it could not be done in 7 minutes... to set a timer and walk around your house or apartment for 7 minutes.

This amount of time is incredibly long for moving up and down in one house and killing people.

It's funny, you know I've been wondering for a while if I am crazy enough to do a practice run. I would have to get my husband in cahoots with me to try this. Might have to have a glass of wine first but I just might try it. Lol!

 

[Megnut]

BBM
He did the car. LE had him under surveillance while he did it. And we do know about it.

"The man accused of murdering four University of Idaho students in November had thoroughly cleaned the interior and exterior of his car and was also seen wearing surgical gloves multiple times before being apprehended, a law enforcement source tells CNN."

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger cleaned car, was seen wearing surgical gloves, source says

In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source.

abc7.com

LE has multiple methods of surveillance, I've learned from other cases on WS. Rare is it two LE in a van down the block, though it does happen. Extra camera up on a pole at a key location? Yup.

Did LE "see" BK cleaning his car? In real time? Maybe not. But they may have seen it on CCTV which in some ways is even better. Because then there's a recording. And we'll get to see it too, eventually!

Doctoral defendant might have been scrubbing up to his elbows in bleach or peroxide, another good reason for gloves. But also, he could have been vacuuming like it was an Olympic sport. Going after every fiber, with every fiber, of his being.

Plus he'd already made own really bad move, leaving the sheath with his DNA behind. I'd expect him not to want to make that mistake another time. Wonder if he bought himself some Q-tips on Amazon, good for getting into those tight nookies, snappies and crannies.

We heard about his middle of the night vacuuming. DM thought he might have been carrying something which she described as like a handheld vacuum. And we know he cleaned his car, perhaps to obsession.

Maybe his dustbuster is his emotional support animal.

JMO

Another article about Mr. Merry Maid

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger cleaned car, was seen wearing surgical gloves, source says

In one instance prior to Kohberger's arrest, authorities observed him leaving his family home around 4 a.m. and putting trash bags in the neighbors' garbage bins, according to the source.

abc7.com

Post from 2023 by @10ofRods referencing BK's dark-thirty proclivities.

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