4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[LetsSolvIt]

DBM — my questions answered by @atomicsciencegal !!

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I am actually diagnosed with this syndrome, but thankfully a comparatively mild form.

It makes depth perception at night incredibly difficult to judge, I cannot emphasize this enough. Even with additional lighting at night (like streetlights or say, a neon light decoration in the home) you are still not receiving enough visual clues to accurately judge depth and distance easily.

I could understand him bringing the phone because he wouldn’t have been able to see written directions or a map under that lighting, but he would able to see his phone screen (high contrast). It makes driving at night very challenging because you will drive past turns you’ve made a million times in the day.

And I can absolutely see him missing that Dylan now had her door cracked open - he would have no idea she could see him as he left, especially if her room was in darkness and she didn’t move as he walked past. (Light and motion are the context clues your brain tries to fill things in with when you have VSS. Without those, he wouldn’t have registered her at all, imo.)

I don’t think he saw her at all, and had no idea he’d been seen.

Thank you for sharing something so personal. Very interesting to get your insight.

Helps us understand

 

[Miss Poovy]

I believe there is only one chip that BK could bargain with in terms of getting a sentence reduced; and that would be to disclose an accomplice. AT's expert is expected to state that one person could not do all this in the time frame established by the Prosecution....That won't happen until well into the trial and immediately following that MIGHT be the time to open negotiations over the DP. It all depends...

I don't believe there is an accomplice and I also believe that at the stage of the trial when that opinion is offered the Prosecution will have established BARD that BK caused the deaths. In one of the recent exchanges with Judge Hipler, AT indicated that the defense was pursuing an alternate suspect which of course they would be doing whatever their trial/penalty strategy...Its barely possible that second suspect was in fact an accomplice. Disclosing an accomplice at that stage of trial would lead directly to BK testifying....The only other circumstance I can think of, that would lead to that would involve a guilty plea after inculpatory evidence was delivered.

Frankly, AT has created more than just a trail of breadcrumbs in terms of alternate theories; she has dusted an entire landscape in flour. For all those instances, AT has avoided disclosing a definitive direction or context that would exculpate BK....Which of course she needs to continue to avoid, it allows the prosecution no time to investigate and refute any such theories. Better to funnel that right on the jury, without the scrutiny of discovery.

MOO throughout

Yes, I think she’s doing her job & she has to work with what she has.

 

[Cool Cats]

I believe there is only one chip that BK could bargain with in terms of getting a sentence reduced; and that would be to disclose an accomplice. AT's expert is expected to state that one person could not do all this in the time frame established by the Prosecution....That won't happen until well into the trial and immediately following that MIGHT be the time to open negotiations over the DP. It all depends...

I don't believe there is an accomplice and I also believe that at the stage of the trial when that opinion is offered the Prosecution will have established BARD that BK caused the deaths. In one of the recent exchanges with Judge Hipler, AT indicated that the defense was pursuing an alternate suspect which of course they would be doing whatever their trial/penalty strategy...Its barely possible that second suspect was in fact an accomplice. Disclosing an accomplice at that stage of trial would lead directly to BK testifying....The only other circumstance I can think of, that would lead to that would involve a guilty plea after inculpatory evidence was delivered.

Frankly, AT has created more than just a trail of breadcrumbs in terms of alternate theories; she has dusted an entire landscape in flour. For all those instances, AT has avoided disclosing a definitive direction or context that would exculpate BK....Which of course she needs to continue to avoid, it allows the prosecution no time to investigate and refute any such theories. Better to funnel that right on the jury, without the scrutiny of discovery.

MOO throughout

I agree, that by the time the defense tries to introduce SODDI (some other dude did it) the prosecution will have already proved BARD.

Not one iota of evidence has come out about there being another suspect. There has to be evidence.

The only non-evidence I see is lightly thrown around, that BK could not have killed 4 people in X amount of time so he had help.

Even if BK had help it does not make him less guilty, this doesn't help him. The people who subscribe to BK having assistance are admitting BK did do it, he did it with help.

I do not believe BK would "go down in flames" without trying to put all the blame on his accomplice. The reason he is not doing that is because no one in their right mind would go along with his diabolical burglary murder plot. BK could not take any chance of being reported to LE which was likely to happen had he brought in a second person.

BK is a loner......2 Cents

 

[Lilly b]

I have to wonder how he was able to receive a driver’s licence with a visual disability. Explains a lot of his odd driving maneuvers in the dark hours. I don’t think he drove that great in the daytime either.

I really want to know if he is self diagnosed with VSS or if there is a medical diagnosis.

Thank you for providing this personal account of VSS. It answers several of my questions if indeed, he truly has the syndrome.

I would of presumed any job or college/ university you apply to you would need to disclose any medical conditions once you start, so there must be records, and also your driving licence as you said.

 

[Cool Cats]

I would of presumed any job or college/ university you apply to you would need to disclose any medical conditions once you start, so there must be records, and also your driving licence as you said.

Medical records are private and college and universities cannot demand to see their students' medical records.

A job can require a certain level of physical fitness to be able to preform your duties and may have a form for your doctor to fill out but this is different from accessing a person's medical records.

2 Cents

 

[fcavanaugh]

For clarity, based on the known facts and evidence revealed so far, I personally believe BK is the perpetrator of this horrendous crime and lone perpetrator and that he’s likely not capable of any of the feelings/emotions mentioned below but this post isn’t about that.
It’s about one of the statements/filing his lead defense counsel, AT, made to the court.

IMO the closest thing we’ll see
to a pretrial confession in this case was something articulated by defense counsel AT when she stated the following to the court. I couldn’t copy over the court filing on my phone but snipped from link below, B&UBM:

…. and that his lack of social awareness “will likely create an unwarranted impression of
lack of remorse” before jurors.

IMO if AT wants the court and future jurors to believe her client is innocent/not guilty of this horrendous crime, why mention his lack of showing remorse?????
To explain my pondering of this question, IMO remorse is an emotion of self judgement, meaning someone feeling/showing regret, guilt, sorrow over their past wrongdoing/bad actions/crimes/murder.
That said, considering the context, imo AT’s statement is contradictory since remorse indicates guilt which imo is the exact opposite of what AT wants the court and jury to believe.

IOW, AT shouldn’t be concerned and telling the court about BK’s inability to show remorse in front of the jury. Rather, she should be concerned about his inability to show sadness, sympathy and compassion because those are things jurors would expect an innocent person to feel and show for four brutally murdered victims of homicide.
Sadness, Sympathy, Compassion yes, but not Remorse if your client didn’t do anything wrong/didn’t murder the four college students, right? right AT?? (wink, wink).

IMO either AT doesn’t know or understand what remorse means or she flubbed up and her real feelings/belief slipped out in her statement. I’m going with the latter, and imo it’s a huge tell, as in-

Tell the court you believe your client is guilty without telling the court you believe your client is guilty.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger has autism, which should bar death penalty, lawyer says

Bryan Kohberger has autism, according to his lead defense lawyer, who is arguing the diagnosis means he should not face the possibility of the death penalty if he is convicted of the murders of a g…

nypost.com

IMHOO

 

[LinasK]

In addition, maybe he liked some ideas of other killers:

"Wood testified that the couple turned the selection of victims into a game, first trying to choose their victims by their initials to spell M-U-R-D-E-R."

Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't think that's the case in this case. He fixated on one or more of these girls. He apparently has a thing for blondes.

 

[LinasK]

Absolutely. He is an "injustice collector". Remembers every slight and is getting even for all of it. Seatbelts and gays are also stupid according to him. The girls who ghosted him on dating apps. Rigid thinking. Not only won't eat food made in pan that came in contact with meat previously, but according to childhood friend he also severely limited what fruit he would eat, and also not eat anything made with yeast. (Although he likes his beer). Blamed his students for being lazy and not wanting to do the work, yet judged them against his own Master's degree training. What a life he led. Pathetic.

Then he's gonna hate his prison diet. Good!

 

[LinasK]

They even showed the jury, their reactions to things, many times. And of course TB being his own lawyer and taking the stand too. The judge even warned him, after TB fired his last lawyer and took over his defense, the classic: anyone that represents himself has a fool for a client.

Look how well that just worked out for Lori Vallow.

 

[Cool Cats]

For clarity, based on the known facts and evidence revealed so far, I personally believe BK is the perpetrator of this horrendous crime and lone perpetrator and that he’s likely not capable of any of the feelings/emotions mentioned below but this post isn’t about that.
It’s about one of the statements/filing his lead defense counsel, AT, made to the court.

IMO the closest thing we’ll see
to a pretrial confession in this case was something articulated by defense counsel AT when she stated the following to the court. I couldn’t copy over the court filing on my phone but snipped from link below, B&UBM:

…. and that his lack of social awareness “will likely create an unwarranted impression of
lack of remorse” before jurors.

IMO if AT wants the court and future jurors to believe her client is innocent/not guilty of this horrendous crime, why mention his lack of showing remorse?????
To explain my pondering of this question, IMO remorse is an emotion of self judgement, meaning someone feeling/showing regret, guilt, sorrow over their past wrongdoing/bad actions/crimes/murder.
That said, considering the context, imo AT’s statement is contradictory since remorse indicates guilt which imo is the exact opposite of what AT wants the court and jury to believe.

IOW, AT shouldn’t be concerned and telling the court about BK’s inability to show remorse in front of the jury. Rather, she should be concerned about his inability to show sadness, sympathy and compassion because those are things jurors would expect an innocent person to feel and show for four brutally murdered victims of homicide.
Sadness, Sympathy, Compassion yes, but not Remorse if your client didn’t do anything wrong/didn’t murder the four college students, right? right AT?? (wink, wink).

IMO either AT doesn’t know or understand what remorse means or she flubbed up and her real feelings/belief slipped out in her statement. I’m going with the latter, and imo it’s a huge tell, as in-

Tell the court you believe your client is guilty without telling the court you believe your client is guilty.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger has autism, which should bar death penalty, lawyer says

Bryan Kohberger has autism, according to his lead defense lawyer, who is arguing the diagnosis means he should not face the possibility of the death penalty if he is convicted of the murders of a g…

nypost.com

IMHOO

Wow.

You are right that remorse means guilt and BK says he is not guilty. Thus, he has nothing to be remorseful about yet AT is worried he will not show any remorse to the jury...say what?

I cannot make sense of it.

 

[SortaSleuthy]

The back slider doesn't even have to be unlocked. Locked just adds about 2 seconds to the timing.

You can also open sliding doors by putting your bare (or rubber gloved) hands flat on the glass and pushing the door up and to the side.
If the latch is from the bottom neither way works.

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919180009207394386

 

[SteveP]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919180009207394386

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Blum reported something that apparently may not be true?? Let me go find my shocked face...
JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

What would happen if in June or July the knife and other evidence were found? How long of a delay could defense or even prosecution get for something like that? Obviously there would have to be all kinds of tests run, but how long might it push out a trial?

 

[DizzyB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1919180009207394386

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I’m glad someone is finally calling him out.

 

[mickey2942]

He would have been free for another 15 years or so probably had he not made that mistake. IGG would have gotten him eventually, just like it got Kohberger.

Intriguing. What mistakes did BK make, that made him?! And, if he had avoided those errors, would he be free now?

1. Leaving the knife sheath, with his DNA.
2. Buying the knife on Amazon, with sheath, that is directly related to BK.

What else, did BK do, that put the Bullseye, directly on him?!

 

[MassGuy]

Intriguing. What mistakes did BK make, that made him?! And, if he had avoided those errors, would he be free now?

1. Leaving the knife sheath, with his DNA.
2. Buying the knife on Amazon, with sheath, that is directly related to BK.

What else, did BK do, that put the Bullseye, directly on him?!

It really comes down to the sheath. Without that they might never have had the probable cause to serve search warrants, and obtain further evidence.

And we still don’t even know how strong that further evidence is, and if it would have been strong enough to obtain a conviction without DNA.

He committed an insanely risky crime, despite all the preparation. I think he gets away with it if not for that error though.

 

[SteveP]

Intriguing. What mistakes did BK make, that made him?! And, if he had avoided those errors, would he be free now?

1. Leaving the knife sheath, with his DNA.
2. Buying the knife on Amazon, with sheath, that is directly related to BK.

What else, did BK do, that put the Bullseye, directly on him?!

I believe there is a good chance that LE would have eventually connected him to the murders through his car on many videos, but who knows how long it may have taken. WSU police already had eyes on him in early December, and they had his phone number from a prior stop, so that avenue of investigation would have been open to them. They knew he matched the "bushy eyebrows" general description of the killer. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

I agree, that by the time the defense tries to introduce SODDI (some other dude did it) the prosecution will have already proved BARD.

Not one iota of evidence has come out about there being another suspect. There has to be evidence.

The only non-evidence I see is lightly thrown around, that BK could not have killed 4 people in X amount of time so he had help.

Even if BK had help it does not make him less guilty, this doesn't help him. The people who subscribe to BK having assistance are admitting BK did do it, he did it with help.

I do not believe BK would "go down in flames" without trying to put all the blame on his accomplice. The reason he is not doing that is because no one in their right mind would go along with his diabolical burglary murder plot. BK could not take any chance of being reported to LE which was likely to happen had he brought in a second person.

BK is a loner......2 Cents

I would hazard a guess the prosecution will be ready for this argument and that they most likely have done experiments using people who played the victims and someone who played the perp. I have no doubt they will be ready for this argument.