4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[iamshadow21]

Question: was it verifed that the red stain on the outside of Xana's bedroom was human blood? I remember lots of speculation about that, early on.

I don't think there's been clarification on that stain since the DM posted the pictures.

I personally think it is blood.

MOO

 

[Bahshudc]

I remember seeing there was a hearing today. If I've got my time zones right it should be starting any minute now? 11.30am in Idaho, is that right? (I'm from UK). It's sealed though.

 

[mickey2942]

I would of presumed any job or college/ university you apply to you would need to disclose any medical conditions once you start, so there must be records, and also your driving licence as you said.

You only disclose medical information to employers or schools, if you are requesting accommodations for the medical condition. Like a diabetic, who requests to eat lunch at a specific time of day, or an ergonomic computer keyboard, for carpal tunnel.

As for a drivers license, same, if you are requesting accommodations, like, you don't pass the vision test, but ask for a waiver, to have a "restricted" license, to only drive during the day.

If you are not requesting accommodations, you don't have to disclose any information. Unless the employer specifically requires a task, like lifting 50 lbs for a job, and you don't disclose that you can't perform that task.

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't think there's been clarification on that stain since the DM posted the pictures.

I personally think it is blood.

MOO

Common sense says it is blood because they specifically were testing for blood proteins by using chemicals that detect the presence of blood.

I am surprised this is continually questioned, but then, some people say BK had no time to do it, yet it clearly got done....unfortunately.

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[SamiSleuth]

@Cool Cats I couldn't quickly find a pic of donuts, so to prove I come in peace here's:


You're being confused by initials! One convo about the shoe shaped bloodstain outside DM's door: DM=Dylan M. One convo about the red liquid dripping down the foundation exterior of XK's room, DM=Daily Mail.

 

[iamshadow21]

Common sense says it is blood because they specifically were testing for blood proteins by using chemicals that detect the presence of blood.

I am surprised this is continually questioned, but then, some people say BK had no time to do it, yet it clearly got done....unfortunately.

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We're not talking about the footprint. We're talking about the bleeding wall.

 

[Cool Cats]

We're not talking about the footprint. We're talking about the bleeding wall.

I guess I am late to the party.

Some news outlets assume that this is blood but it would have to be tested for proof which hasn't been disclosed so no way to know. Seems unlikely that blood would do this if the room was constructed correctly, sealed correctly. Shouldn't be cracks like that. Room photos do not show any cracks. Odd.

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[PinkParis2052]

I remember seeing there was a hearing today. If I've got my time zones right it should be starting any minute now? 11.30am in Idaho, is that right? (I'm from UK). It's sealed though.

Yes, there is a closed hearing today at 11:30 AM in Boise, Idaho which is the Mountain Time zone.

 

[mickey2942]

I guess I am late to the party.

Some news outlets assume that this is blood but it would have to be tested for proof which hasn't been disclosed so no way to know. Seems unlikely that blood would do this if the room was constructed correctly, sealed correctly. Shouldn't be cracks like that. Room photos do not show any cracks. Odd.

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I don't know when that house was built, but we lived in a house built in the '60's, and it had "settled". The floors were covered with carpet, so you didn't notice that the flooring under the carpet had buckled. Sometimes, separating from the wall in a small fission.

Wouldn't surprise me if that is what occurred. Seep down the floor, to a small crack in the plaster, remember, a small bit of blood can look like a huge amount, due to diffusion.

 

[Cool Cats]

@Cool Cats I couldn't quickly find a pic of donuts, so to prove I come in peace here's:
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You're being confused by initials! One convo about the shoe shaped bloodstain outside DM's door: DM=Dylan M. One convo about the red liquid dripping down the foundation exterior of XK's room, DM=Daily Mail.

You remember I like doughnuts, HA!

Very nice, thank you!

I stand to be corrected, I admit I can get confused but everyone is entitled to my opinion.... LOL

On topic I will say that the outside photo of blood is very chilling but it would be unlikely that the house is so full of cracks that liquid runs outside, I have never heard of this. Someone could have put a red substance on the house, some sick minded person. I wish it would be clarified one way or the other. I am so relieved the house of horrors is gone.

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[Megnut]

It might not be blood.

But fatal injuries happened in the room behind that well, injuries with the potential for tremendous blood loss. Liquid follows the path of least resistance abd it will find one, always, every time.

There are red streaks outside that wall.

Sure, it could be a coincidence.

Not all things are coincidences.

I concede, it could very well be blood. All it needs is gravity and a gap.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

It might not be blood.

But fatal injuries happened in the room behind that well, injuries with the potential for tremendous blood loss. Liquid follows the path of least resistance abd it will find one, always, every time.

There are red streaks outside that wall.

Sure, it could be a coincidence.

Not all things are coincidences.

I concede, it could very well be blood. All it needs is gravity and a gap.

JMO

We debated that so much. I had always thought they would have covered it in some way if it was blood, or there would have been footage of them testing it.

 

[katydid23]

That's an interesting theory. (I was one who always thought it was blood, though that was never confirmed by authorities, & I know plenty of people disagree. Imo.)

Is there a link to the photos of the interior of the house (like Zillow, though the pics aren't on there now) so we can see where the vents were in the rooms when the rooms were unfurnished? (I looked around a little but didn't find one easily so if someone can point me to them, I would greatly appreciate it. TIA.)

If it's not blood, what is it? I can't think of any other thick red liquid that would be seeping down the walls, coincidentally while there was a mass murder inside. ...?

 

[Megnut]

We debated that so much. I had always thought they would have covered it in some way if it was blood, or there would have been footage of them testing it.

Certainly macabre, but either way, does it have evidentiary value? It's not like they needed to collect the cinderblock. Fair chance it was blood. And collected with a swab, photographed in situ, the rest left for the crime scene abatement team. Doesn't help establish time of death, doesn't help determine order of death, but honestly, it was likely photographed and swabbed before reporters and sleuthers ever saw it.

JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

If it's not blood, what is it? I can't think of any other thick red liquid that would be seeping down the walls, coincidentally while there was a mass murder inside. ...?

Someone a long time ago mentioned heating oil

Heating oil explained - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Heating oil is a distillate fuel and is used mainly for heating buildings.

www.eia.gov

 

[minazoe]

in case no one heard about a secret hearing scheduled today?

Mystery as Idaho judge schedules SECRET hearing for Bryan Kohberger

Ada County District Judge Steven Hippler has hastily scheduled a closed-door hearing just three months before Bryan Kohberger's capital murder trial gets underway.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Megnut]

in case no one heard about a secret hearing scheduled today?

Mystery as Idaho judge schedules SECRET hearing for Bryan Kohberger

Ada County District Judge Steven Hippler has hastily scheduled a closed-door hearing just three months before Bryan Kohberger's capital murder trial gets underway.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I hope Sy Ray got a special invitation. From Judge Hippler. Perhaps a chance to, ah, change his stance.

Because someone is one inch shy of contempt.

JMO

 

[Odeto BJ]

I thought in ID, the Defense must disclose any alibi they intend to present at trial well before the actual trial. No bombshells allowed that the State wouldn't have time to investigate and rebut.

Could be wrong, but that was my understanding.

That certainly is described within the rules of evidence as it applies to the presentation of an alibi, but to disclose an accomplice, you would have to confess to the crime. And the constitution (per the Fifth Amendment) trumps the rules of evidence.
What I was saying was: At this stage, confession alone would not be enough to shift the potential penalty from DP to LWOP. Some have suggested that disclosing the location of the weapon could be collateral in penalty negotiations, but I don't think thats sufficient to take the DP off the table.

To the prosecution a confession NOW would avoid some costs but most of the investment has already been made. And of course a confession removes any risk associated with a jury's vote...so if the Prosecution's case is strong enough, would they entertain a plea deal at this stage? I don't think so but of course, thats JMO...
Thus the question: What could be offered that would put the prosecution in a negotiating mode? And when would it make sense to make that offer, considering that the defendant would have to specify to their own guilt as well as furnish enough information to inculpate the "unknown" party?
As I indicated in the post: I don't believe there is SOD or an accomplice. I was trying to develop the theme: What would it take to get the DP off the table? Considering the defense's success record in terms of motions to date, and the bits and pieces of evidence WS and MSM have extracted from those motions and the corresponding verbal exchanges, I say: It would have to be something big and juicy.
And the prior post was a speculation on what big and juicy might look like.

JMO; No supporting MSM

 

[Megnut]

He's free to confess at any point.

And under whatever terms he likes.

And the State is free to accept, reject or negotiate it.

4 LWOP, no DP, no appeal could be one plea the State might consider. And families might accept (not that they are the deciders but surely their positions would be weighed) 4 LWOP if it results in immediate justice, no travel and work interruptions and no courtroom exhibition of crime scene photos.

AT knows the discovery, all of it, despite what she might say, and 100% as an attorney, she has advised BK of the reality of his defense.

My guess is that the hardliner here is BK himself. You can't reason with someone who doesn't care. So she is left to defend the defenseless in a guilt phasephase. DP sentencing phase.

Why would BK bother with confessing? What would it gain him? That's of value TO HIM?

It's a losing game if you believe his life matters to him. It's a winning strategy, not to confess, if it doesn't matter to him. Winning because he is in full control of continuing to manipulate a lot of people's lives, the center of his own criminal mind universe.

He confesses, he's sentenced to prison, game over.

He's not going to do that. Because he's in it for the game.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Someone a long time ago mentioned heating oil

Heating oil explained - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Heating oil is a distillate fuel and is used mainly for heating buildings.

www.eia.gov

From memory, that was debunked, the house was not on an oil system.

MOO