4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Justice101]

What is the evidence we know of for sure from the prosecution standpoint? Just trying to keep a simple list.
1) Perfect DNA match to BK thru the knife sheath left at crime scene. Only 1 in 5 octillion chance not him.
2) Video of a white Elantra multiple passes by house which BK had a white Elantra too.
3) Phone records - multiple times close by house late at night
4) Phone records - turned off an hour or so before and north of the murders and turned back on south and after the murders.
5) Description of intruder from survivor that is consistent with BK.
6) Amazon records regarding purchasing and repurchasing K-bar knife. Attempt to delete purchase records.
7) Suspicious behavior in PA (probably filmed) with regard to moving trash around outside late at night.
8) BK admits he was not at home but was out driving around at 4AM when the murders occurred.

And are any of these POTENTIAL pieces of evidence official?
9) Internet searches for murders that morning but before 911 call made and the bodies were discovered?
10) Residue of (highly unusual) bleach being used to clean the interior of his car?
11) Altercation/threat taken seriously by University of one of his female students previously?
12) His research: what's it feel like to kill someone?

Anything else that we know of?

 

[FansBlowing]

Could Xana have locked herself in the bathroom after seeing BK with a knife? This "loud thud" I keep hearing about could be BK breaking the bathroom door down. Or maybe their bedroom door.

 

[mmeynstyn]

Could Xana have locked herself in the bathroom after seeing BK with a knife? This "loud thud" I keep hearing about could be BK breaking the bathroom door down. Or maybe their bedroom door.

JMO, but I don't think she was in the bathroom. Her body was found on the floor of the bedroom. However, I like your thought about the door.....maybe, and this is obviously just speculation - if she actually saw BK, as she made it back to her bedroom saying "someone is here," she may have tried to close the bedroom door. Depending on timing and BK's strength, he may have forcefully pushed the door open, allowing the door/door knob to hit the wall.

I always thought the thud may have been XK hitting the wall or floor as BK pushed her out of the way to get to EC, who he probably considered a bigger threat. However, the bedroom door makes sense to me also. MOO

 

[Megnut]

What is the evidence we know of for sure from the prosecution standpoint? Just trying to keep a simple list.
1) Perfect DNA match to BK thru the knife sheath left at crime scene. Only 1 in 5 octillion chance not him.
2) Video of a white Elantra multiple passes by house which BK had a white Elantra too.
3) Phone records - multiple times close by house late at night
4) Phone records - turned off an hour or so before and north of the murders and turned back on south and after the murders.
5) Description of intruder from survivor that is consistent with BK.
6) Amazon records regarding purchasing and repurchasing K-bar knife. Attempt to delete purchase records.
7) Suspicious behavior in PA (probably filmed) with regard to moving trash around outside late at night.
8) BK admits he was not at home but was out driving around at 4AM when the murders occurred.

And are any of these POTENTIAL pieces of evidence official?
9) Internet searches for murders that morning but before 911 call made and the bodies were discovered?
10) Residue of (highly unusual) bleach being used to clean the interior of his car?
11) Altercation/threat taken seriously by University of one of his female students previously?
12) His research: what's it feel like to kill someone?

Anything else that we know of?

That he was seen cleaning his car (not entirely clear who saw him but I think it was LE who saw or has cctv of him cleaning his car -- maybe that's what he was doing over by Kate's Cup of Joe, caught on cctv)

His essay is evidence, it shows a graduate understanding of transfer evidence mitigation.

Receipt and tag for Dickies as I recall.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I do not believe he had any access to any digital surveillance that would show him food delivery information.
This was a coincidence that a food delivery happened at the time he came there.

I think it is over 20 times his phone pinged on the King Rd cell tower and I think most times were in the middle of the night.

He could have easily tested the doors and windows a dozen times. I think he consistently found the back second floor slider to be unlocked. And/or, consistently found the front door unlock. It has been reported that the house occupants were not using the security lock/code on the front door.

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Agree @Cool Cats. From experience, college kids living in an off campus sorority (party) house are generally not overly concerned whether the main doors are locked. A lot of times I got in before my sisters and would just go in and lock my BR door (just to make sure no drunken stragglers wandered in hah).

Roommates would constantly have people in and out, especially on the weekends. I can't stress enough how unafraid I was, never, ever would I have thought something like this could have happened. It just would not have entered my mind, period. Young, invincible and naive'.

I believe the slider could have easily been left unlocked as you mentioned; Kaylee probably used it to take Murphy out when they got home and Xana had supposedly just used it to pick up her DoorDash. What she may have noticed going in the kitchen with her trash is that it was open when she knew she had closed (and maybe locked) it just minutes earlier?? Her TIKTOK quit actively scrolling at 4:12 am.

BK probably went straight upstairs, things went sideways with Kaylee (bad struggle ) being in the same bed as Maddie. BK must have encountered Xana (someone's here) because if he was targeting only Maddie or Kaylee, he'd have no need to attack Xana and Ethan. She/he couldn't identify him in his black ninja garb. He is fast enough to have sprinted down the stairs and out the slider no problem.

That's what naggingly makes me think he was going for numbers not just one. If he'd have seen DM peeking out the BR door, it would have been 5 no doubt.

That's just MO and today's theory, subject to change on the daily.

 

[FansBlowing]

Here's a thought. Could BK have been going after Madison Mogen because of her name and double initials like the Alphabet Killer?

Alphabet murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not only that, but Moscow Idaho also starts with the letter M!

 

[FansBlowing]

In addition, maybe he liked some ideas of other killers:

"Wood testified that the couple turned the selection of victims into a game, first trying to choose their victims by their initials to spell M-U-R-D-E-R."

Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think BK expected to find them all asleep in their own beds and he could quickly go through the house and kill them all.
Things didn’t go as planned. People were not where they were supposed to be upstairs and they fought back.
Then Xana was up and about and he had to chase her down and Ethan was not supposed to even be there.
He’d had enough of surprises and left.
But for all that, there would have been no survivors in my opinion.

 

[SteveP]

Here's a thought. Could BK have been going after Madison Mogen because of her name and double initials like the Alphabet Killer?

Alphabet murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not only that, but Moscow Idaho also starts with the letter M!

Who knows why he did what he did? I guess we should all count our blessings that we cannot get inside his head, because I think that is one very scary place. I hope that we learn, one day, why he chose that night, those victims, in that house. I doubt that we ever will. JMO

 

[Megnut]

Here's a thought. Could BK have been going after Madison Mogen because of her name and double initials like the Alphabet Killer?

Alphabet murders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not only that, but Moscow Idaho also starts with the letter M!

In addition, maybe he liked some ideas of other killers:

"Wood testified that the couple turned the selection of victims into a game, first trying to choose their victims by their initials to spell M-U-R-D-E-R."

Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't know that we need credit BK with great evilgenius, but knowing that he studied the likes of the murderers you mention, I think the element they all share is the gaming. His ghoulish selfie speaks to that. Who can write or play the most memorable kill/s. BK looks like he's giving himself the big win, like he's tops on the murder leaderboard.

IMO he wasn't horrified with what he had done, horrified that he left four victims dead, I truly think he was proud. Winning. Four murders in under fourteen minutes, like a record to beat. And maybe it was. If his intention was to murder one victim and then a series of them, he got quite the jump on that.

Getting inside the mind of a killer (no thanks) requires the adoption of an upside down moral code. We can call BK moral but make no mistake -- he has a moral code. Bet it's rigid as hell. It's just inconceivable to most of us because it's opposite day. Killing is an accomplishment. Justice is murder. One person slights him, he makes all people pay. Not his fault he's so smart and everyone else is so dumb. Crosswalks are stupid. Cops are stupid. She's stupid. He would be a cop if cops weren't so stupid. There's a logic to his thinking, even if it's simultaneously defies it. I think he thinks he can do no wrong. Despite evidence to the contrary which he simply rejects.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I can imagine this: from the moment BK was paired with his first attorney to the present, he has said only, I am innocent. Which is not a plea and IMO why they were forced into standing silent, and now, in order to assist with his defense, he won't and doesn't. He just says he's innocent (again, just my speculation). Despite the evidence, despite the potential DP.

As his counsel, surely AT has talked to him about the reality of the case against him, advised him of his rights and his choices, in so much as he has any. (He does. He could plead guilty, accept the sentences including the DP. Or he could plead guilty, perhaps offer up the weapon, in exchange for a dropped DP.) And rather than participating in that conversation or even indicating he's heard and understands it, he's probably talking about some arcane, unrelated thing, as if he doesn't understand her, what she'd saying or even what it means for him. But he does understand. He's just tuning it out. She's talking, he's singing Baby Sharks.

Or probably more likely waxing pedantic, talking about the history of the Marines, the philosophy of data collection and analysis in rural areas or criminal psychology as it relates to crimes HE would have solved, killers HE would have arrested if he were LE because he's smarter than all of them, LE and killers both.

His capacity for insight is sorely lacking.

He can't see it, but we can.

JMO

 

[MeadowMuffin]

I don't know that we need credit BK with great evilgenius, but knowing that he studied the likes of the murderers you mention, I think the element they all share is the gaming. His ghoulish selfie speaks to that. Who can write or play the most memorable kill/s. BK looks like he's giving himself the big win, like he's tops on the murder leaderboard.

IMO he wasn't horrified with what he had done, horrified that he left four victims dead, I truly think he was proud. Winning. Four murders in under fourteen minutes, like a record to beat. And maybe it was. If his intention was to murder one victim and then a series of them, he got quite the jump on that.

Getting inside the mind of a killer (no thanks) requires the adoption of an upside down moral code. We can call BK moral but make no mistake -- he has a moral code. Bet it's rigid as hell. It's just inconceivable to most of us because it's opposite day. Killing is an accomplishment. Justice is murder. One person slights him, he makes all people pay. Not his fault he's so smart and everyone else is so dumb. Crosswalks are stupid. Cops are stupid. She's stupid. He would be a cop if cops weren't so stupid. There's a logic to his thinking, even if it's simultaneously defies it. I think he thinks he can do no wrong. Despite evidence to the contrary which he simply rejects.

JMO

Absolutely. He is an "injustice collector". Remembers every slight and is getting even for all of it. Seatbelts and gays are also stupid according to him. The girls who ghosted him on dating apps. Rigid thinking. Not only won't eat food made in pan that came in contact with meat previously, but according to childhood friend he also severely limited what fruit he would eat, and also not eat anything made with yeast. (Although he likes his beer). Blamed his students for being lazy and not wanting to do the work, yet judged them against his own Master's degree training. What a life he led. Pathetic.

 

[Tealgrove]

Anybody see a plea deal coming? AT is exhausting all avenues. Denial after denial after…..

AT is running out of time and leverage. Won’t b a good scene for her at trial.

Waiting and watching. BK is cooked.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

Anybody see a plea deal coming? AT is exhausting all avenues. Denial after denial after…..

AT is running out of time and leverage. Won’t b a good scene for her at trial.

Waiting and watching. BK is cooked.

MOO

I think the main plan is to get the DP dismissed and then go to trial.

If this doesn't work, the second plan could be to have BK plead guilty to all 5 charges and then in return the State drops the DP.

 

[DizzyB]

Anybody see a plea deal coming? AT is exhausting all avenues. Denial after denial after…..

AT is running out of time and leverage. Won’t b a good scene for her at trial.

Waiting and watching. BK is cooked.

MOO

I think AT is going to have to get up and do her job to the best of her ability, with what she has to work with.

 

[SteveP]

Anybody see a plea deal coming? AT is exhausting all avenues. Denial after denial after…..

AT is running out of time and leverage. Won’t b a good scene for her at trial.

Waiting and watching. BK is cooked.

MOO

With the strength of the case they have against BK, I see no reason at all, at this point, for the state to initiate a plea bargain, nor do I see them negotiating the removal of the death penalty. I believe the only way the state would offer a deal to take the death penalty off the table would be if BK admitted full guilt, took the stand, under oath, and described exactly what he did, produced the knife, and exhibited real remorse., of which he has none. A plea deal ain't happenin', imo. This case is finally on a fast track to Aug 11, and then justice is coming for Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I can imagine this: from the moment BK was paired with his first attorney to the present, he has said only, I am innocent. Which is not a plea and IMO why they were forced into standing silent, and now, in order to assist with his defense, he won't and doesn't. He just says he's innocent (again, just my speculation). Despite the evidence, despite the potential DP.

As his counsel, surely AT has talked to him about the reality of the case against him, advised him of his rights and his choices, in so much as he has any. (He does. He could plead guilty, accept the sentences including the DP. Or he could plead guilty, perhaps offer up the weapon, in exchange for a dropped DP.) And rather than participating in that conversation or even indicating he's heard and understands it, he's probably talking about some arcane, unrelated thing, as if he doesn't understand her, what she'd saying or even what it means for him. But he does understand. He's just tuning it out. She's talking, he's singing Baby Sharks.

Or probably more likely waxing pedantic, talking about the history of the Marines, the philosophy of data collection and analysis in rural areas or criminal psychology as it relates to crimes HE would have solved, killers HE would have arrested if he were LE because he's smarter than all of them, LE and killers both.

His capacity for insight is sorely lacking.

He can't see it, but we can.

JMO

Has he said "I am innocent" or only "I will be exonerated"? Two different things.

 

[SteveP]

Has he said "I am innocent" or only "I will be exonerated"? Two different things.

They are indeed. One is almost certainly a lie. The other is almost certainly wishful thinking. JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Who knows why he did what he did? I guess we should all count our blessings that we cannot get inside his head, because I think that is one very scary place. I hope that we learn, one day, why he chose that night, those victims, in that house. I doubt that we ever will. JMO

He bought the knife and sheath in the last semester of his undergraduate studies. During this last semester is exactly when he needed to start planning and applying for a university PHD program. He bought the knife only 4 to 5 months before driving to WSU.

It is possible that the only reason he chose WSU was to get close to a specific victim. It is not outside the voice of reason that he found and was following a specific victim online while still living in Pennsylvania.

Or it could be he was searching for the best area to commit murder and Washington State University seemed the best area to do it.

1.) Pick an area that has a lot of coeds.
2.) A simple search can bring up photos of pretty coeds from various universities.
3.) WSU is far from BK's home in Pennsylvania.
4.) Did not want to kill coeds attached to the place he lived and worked (WSU)
5.) The University of Idaho is an easy drive across State lines and puts some distance between BK and his crimes.

6.) Moscow is small, rural and tucked 300 miles away from Boise.
7.) Moscow LE would not have the staff and resources that can be found in a city like Boise.
8.) LE in general is notorious for not sharing information with other jurisdictions, especially across State lines.
9.) The King Rd house was ideal for spying on and gaining entrance, thus, his many late night forays into Moscow.

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[Sundog]

He bought the knife and sheath in the last semester of his undergraduate studies. During this last semester is exactly when he needed to start planning and applying for a university PHD program. He bought the knife only 4 to 5 months before driving to WSU.

It is possible that the only reason he chose WSU was to get close to a specific victim. It is not outside the voice of reason that he found and was following a specific victim online while still living in Pennsylvania.

Or it could be he was searching for the best area to commit murder and Washington State University seemed the best area to do it.

1.) Pick an area that has a lot of coeds.
2.) A simple search can bring up photos of pretty coeds from various universities.
3.) WSU is far from BK's home in Pennsylvania.
4.) Did not want to kill coeds attached to the place he lived and worked (WSU)
5.) The University of Idaho is an easy drive across State lines and puts some distance between BK and his crimes.

6.) Moscow is small, rural and tucked 300 miles away from Boise.
7.) Moscow LE would not have the staff and resources that can be found in a city like Boise.
8.) LE in general is notorious for not sharing information with other jurisdictions, especially across State lines.
9.) The King Rd house was ideal for spying on and gaining entrance, thus, his many late night forays into Moscow.

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BK was a graduate student when he bought the knife, he was in the final semester of studying for his Master's degree.

With regard to choosing WSU because he was following someone on social media from that area, I seriously doubt that was the case. A person doesn't get many offers to choose from when they apply for a PhD in their field of choice with a TA position and stipend. Many of these PhD programs admit only a small amount of doctoral students and so most applicants don't get very many offers.