4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[Sachi]

If He was after only MM, and then KG roused - he punched KG unconscious, why take the time to viciously stab her? Further, if only after MM , why not hurdle down the stairs after the murders and out the door, why kill and kill again? I’ll never understand and don’t understand the idea he “ had” to.

“It’s okay, I’m here to help” stab stab stab stab …. He meant each and every move he made.

Moo, a guess , lack of mass murderer knowledge

 

[sunshineray]

Dennis Rader (BTK) used a similar ploy on Shirley Vian, who i believe was his 5th murder victim, after the Otero family. And we all know that BK knows a lot about BTK. She was ill and I believe her got her a glass of water and comforted her! FAKE! I think it just shows the utter contempt these psychopaths have for other human beings.

And the enjoyment of their expertise in dictating someone's last moments. Evil

 

[gremlin444]

I disagree on some of this. I think he does enjoy the pain he's caused, as a voyager. Saying (paraphrasing), it's ok, I'm going to help you, to a victim at the moment before her death, most likely after she's watched him murder the man she loves...well that's just straight-up evil enjoyment of controlling/messing with her mind in her last moments alive...a real I am God thing, MO.

I also don't think he's ever considered himself as a sack of meat with no worth, quite the contrary. I think he thought and still thinks of himself as superior and unique among the ordinary. I'd be very surprised if BK was ever suicidally inclined, even as an addict. JMO

After reading all the posts he made on the tapatalk visual snow board, I have a very different of view of him than you do. And that's fine. High school acquaintances of his have verified the distress and hyper focus he had on his visual snow issues, so I do believe those posts are his and a fairly accurate picture of him from about ages 15-17 or 18.

I have a young adult son who battled visual snow, disassociation, and OCD since his mid teens and what I saw in those posts rang very true to me.

IMHO, the "I'm here to help you" was said out of practicality--I can't afford to have her scream, I need to buy myself a second or two of time so that I can get close enough to physically silence her.

 

[gremlin444]

I feel like they probably had ring cameras at that house. Because wasn't Kaylee and some of the other girls afraid they were being stalked? So common sense would tell you they would put up some cameras. They probably have Bryan Kohberger on camera at house there, going into the house.

Photos of the house don't show anything like that. Not to mention, if that footage existed, we would have had the defense team frantically filing motions to get it thrown out. The state would also be able to give exact times of entry and exit, which they have not done.

Police begin cleaning biohazards from Moscow home where students were killed has a good picture of the front door with just a cheapie standard rectangular push button doorbell

 

[Miss Poovy]

Dennis Rader (BTK) used a similar ploy on Shirley Vian, who i believe was his 5th murder victim, after the Otero family. And we all know that BK knows a lot about BTK. She was ill and I believe her got her a glass of water and comforted her! FAKE! I think it just shows the utter contempt these psychopaths have for other human beings.

If I’m remembering correctly, BTK’s identity was really by happenstance. No telling how many he could have killed as he wasn’t on the radar as a killer.

 

[FansBlowing]

I feel like they probably had ring cameras at that house. Because wasn't Kaylee and some of the other girls afraid they were being stalked? So common sense would tell you they would put up some cameras. They probably have Bryan Kohberger on camera at house there, going into the house.

This would be awesome, but I think we might have already heard about it already.

 

[sunshineray]

If He was after only MM, and then KG roused - he punched KG unconscious, why take the time to viciously stab her? Further, if only after MM , why not hurdle down the stairs after the murders and out the door, why kill and kill again? I’ll never understand and don’t understand the idea he “ had” to.

“It’s okay, I’m here to help” stab stab stab stab …. He meant each and every move he made.

Moo, a guess , lack of mass murderer knowledge

Because with a K-Bar knife, an extremely sharp knife made for jungle warfare, it would take no time at all. As far as continuing the bloodbath to EC and XK, she saw him and that was enough...although I think he was enjoying himself too. AJMO

 

[technicallymissing]

If He was after only MM, and then KG roused - he punched KG unconscious, why take the time to viciously stab her? Further, if only after MM , why not hurdle down the stairs after the murders and out the door, why kill and kill again? I’ll never understand and don’t understand the idea he “ had” to.

“It’s okay, I’m here to help” stab stab stab stab …. He meant each and every move he made.

Moo, a guess , lack of mass murderer knowledge

As far as Kaylee goes I doubt he would have wanted to risk leaving behind a witness that might wake up later on and be able to describe him. But... also, I imagine his fury at Kaylee having ruined his plan (in his mind, if harming Maddie was his main plan/goal) would have been immense. I hardly think it was a hardship for him to stab Kaylee- on the contrary most likely. I really don't think we can underestimate the hatred BK holds for women.

 

[FansBlowing]

I think he was after Maddy too, but he was stupid to think that no one else would be awake at 4:00 am.

 

[sunshineray]

After reading all the posts he made on the tapatalk visual snow board, I have a very different of view of him than you do. And that's fine. High school acquaintances of his have verified the distress and hyper focus he had on his visual snow issues, so I do believe those posts are his and a fairly accurate picture of him from about ages 15-17 or 18.

I have a young adult son who battled visual snow, disassociation, and OCD since his mid teens and what I saw in those posts rang very true to me.

IMHO, the "I'm here to help you" was said out of practicality--I can't afford to have her scream, I need to buy myself a second or two of time so that I can get close enough to physically silence her.

I've also read his stuff and have a different opinion on it. BK overcame a lot of situations. He was bullied, he took up boxing and if nothing else it helped his self-esteem and made him feel safer. He lost a lot of weight also helping his view of himself. He became an addict, he also overcoming that, going on with higher education and thriving in his studies...until his social awkwardness led him to ruin his PHD situation from his lack of adjusting. MO

Whether BK was doing his version of a horse whisperer on XK, he was, IMO, enjoying the whole adventure into the other side of his chosen field. People didn't answer his survey questions, he was answering them first hand and getting gratification. AJMO

 

[Megnut]

Dennis Rader (BTK) used a similar ploy on Shirley Vian, who i believe was his 5th murder victim, after the Otero family. And we all know that BK knows a lot about BTK. She was ill and I believe her got her a glass of water and comforted her! FAKE! I think it just shows the utter contempt these psychopaths have for other human beings.

Contempt is a perfect word.

Contempt for women who don't see him, contempt for authority, contempt for students, contempt for traffic cops....

IMO this is exactly where clustered personality disorders come in. Reactions and emotions that everyone has, been generally in check, apropos of the situation. Psychopathy, not a diagnosis. Just a way to describe someone whose psychological make-up is diseased. Dysfunctional. Counter-community. Counter everything.

That traffic stop, he wasn't even getting ticketed. He about a thank you, I'm sorry, so it can be over fast? He had to draw it out, like it was her job, roadside, to teach him the rules we're all supposed to adhere to. Look it up, BK. On your own time. We know you know how to operate a keyboard and a search engine, even with your feebly fingers.

He actually barfed up how-many excuses in the one, inconsequential stop? Not my fault, didn't do it, was barely over the line, didn't know I couldn't, not familiar with them, we don't have them back in PA, and actually there's a lot more leeway there, the lines are....

Whatever, BK. You commit a minor traffic infraction in front of a cop (How's your peripheral vision, Dude?) She stopped you, she's letting you go, for the sake of all that is holy and good (which might be his allergy), let her go already.

Social awareness low? Only because gis big ego edges it out. He's annoyed, that she stopped him. Waste her time, convince her with his polite (as uf) queries and sudden curiosity. Contempt. That she should challenge him.

He must have been a real delight in the classroom.

I daresay Prof Ramsland might be the first woman in all of BK's life who was interested in what he had to say, a topic which might be macabre for general audiences, and here he had a professional ear who didn't find him weird but brilliant. It probably didn't seem like a creepy fixation to her, at the time, just a graduate student, invested in higher learning.

She didn't probably know he was invested, not in learning, but doing.

BK probably thought the oddest thing about himself was that, in planning out a murder, he left the whom for last.

JMO

 

[FansBlowing]

Kohberger's staring could be because he read some version of a "How to Pick Up Women" book that advises to make eye contact. Then let her make the first move or some stupid thing like that. lol

 

[MeadowMuffin]

If I’m remembering correctly, BTK’s identity was really by happenstance. No telling how many he could have killed as he wasn’t on the radar as a killer.

His own hubris brought him down!

 

[Megnut]

I think he was after Maddy too, but he was stupid to think that no one else would be awake at 4:00 am.

Really stupid. He looped for about 40 minutes before entering. Seems he was aware of a vehicle in the general area on his third approach, tried to gain a sightline eventually circled away again. It appears he did nothing to determine whether anyone was awake, whether rooms were singly occupied.

Early on iirc SG said the killer "didn't need to go upstairs". IMO is XK was his target, he would have killed her, and EC because he was right there, and left. No reason to go upstairs.

I think the first thing he did was go upstairs, targeting MM. Encountered KG and had to silence her fast. Takes zero seconds to pull back on a kbar and pommel someone in the face, then stab for extra insurance.

I think he killed XK only because she saw him, and was near her room when she did. Which is how he became aware of EC.

He woke up the whole house.

Would have killed DM too IMO but she was in his peripheral blind spot, and if he saw her at all, it was once his brain processor caught up.

His planning wasn't great, overestimated himself.

He just picked a really, really, effective weapon.

JMO

 

[FansBlowing]

I wonder if there was some reason it had to be that night? November 13. He executed his plan anyway with two extra people in the house. Surely, there were two extra cars there for him to see?

Well, it seems that date is World Kindness Day! World Kindness Day is celebrated on November 13, to encourage kindness and compassion in all individuals with the hope that it will lead to constructive worldwide social change.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder if there was some reason it had to be that night? November 13. He executed his plan anyway with two extra people in the house. Surely, there were two extra cars there for him to see?

Well, it seems that date is World Kindness Day! World Kindness Day is celebrated on November 13, to encourage kindness and compassion in all individuals with the hope that it will lead to constructive worldwide social change.

I don't think BK looked at that calendar.

He's more of a Do As I Please sort of purpose.

Devastating loss of four young people who were the kind to know and do Kindness Day.

His cowardly crime cost the world a world of kindness.

JMO

 

[sunshineray]

I wonder if there was some reason it had to be that night? November 13. He executed his plan anyway with two extra people in the house. Surely, there were two extra cars there for him to see?

Well, it seems that date is World Kindness Day! World Kindness Day is celebrated on November 13, to encourage kindness and compassion in all individuals with the hope that it will lead to constructive worldwide social change.

He was there to help, he saw what he did asxa kindness and constructive? Idk but wouldn't rule anything out of that mind.

 

[Cool Cats]

Anything can happen at trial. Look at OJ, Casey Anthony, and it's looking like Karen Read is getting of. However I think in this case we have only seen a small part of the evidence.

Yes, people often refer to OJ and CA to show notorious murder cases that did not sway the jury to convict.
I am not impressed. There are always the outliers, the exceptions, but the truth is that the majority are convicted at trial.

NACDL - The Trial Penalty

The trial penalty – the massive difference between the sentence criminal defendants typically receives after a plea bargain and the much higher sentence defendants typically receive if they are convicted at trial – is one of the most significant characteristics of the modern American legal system.;

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The trial penalty – the massive difference between the sentence criminal defendants typically receives after a plea bargain and the much higher sentence defendants typically receive if they are convicted at trial – is one of the most significant characteristics of the modern American legal system.

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[gremlin444]

I've also read his stuff and have a different opinion on it. BK overcame a lot of situations. He was bullied, he took up boxing and if nothing else it helped his self-esteem and made him feel safer. He lost a lot of weight also helping his view of himself. He became an addict, he also overcoming that, going on with higher education and thriving in his studies...until his social awkwardness led him to ruin his PHD situation from his lack of adjusting. MO

IMHO, yes, all of those things helped improve his self esteem to an unknown extent...but none of that gets rid of the disassociation. A feeling of superiority can make that disassociation/derealization/depersonalization worse because now you are still isolated, just in an opposite way from before. His failures in being a TA would realize emphasize that to him.

 

[Boxer]

I've also read his stuff and have a different opinion on it. BK overcame a lot of situations. He was bullied, he took up boxing and if nothing else it helped his self-esteem and made him feel safer. He lost a lot of weight also helping his view of himself. He became an addict, he also overcoming that, going on with higher education and thriving in his studies...until his social awkwardness led him to ruin his PHD situation from his lack of adjusting. MO

Whether BK was doing his version of a horse whisperer on XK, he was, IMO, enjoying the whole adventure into the other side of his chosen field. People didn't answer his survey questions, he was answering them first hand and getting gratification. AJMO

Who says he was bullied.
MOO ask a girl from his HS what was their motivation to keep him away.
MOO when you creep on girls in HS they will defend themselves to avoid getting any more entangled with or in the creep's sites.