4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #106

[katydid23]

I don't know how it works in Idaho but in my city (not in the USA) I have to greet the delivery driver for hand over and also give a number to verify I'm the correct person.

It's not like amazon who will place a package on the doorstep and take a picture.

That's to prevent people saying they never got their food or it was left at the wrong door or it had gone cold by the time they got it etc.

Here in Southern Cali, we don't need to greet the driver. They leave the food at the door, and they take a picture of it and text it to you.

 

[katydid23]

Here is a very interesting article from a long time ago---and I learned something new!

Idaho murders: Mysteries linger in Moscow weeks after Bryan Kohberger's arrest

Moscow residents and the University of Idaho community are reeling as many questions remain even after prosecutors laid out their theory of the crime.

www.businessinsider.com

For hours before and after the killings, Washington State University police and Whitman County sheriff's deputies were posted outside the suspect's apartment because of a bloody hit-and-run reported at 11:40 p.m. on November 12 that sent two pedestrians to the hospital with serious injuries.

Turner Gardner, 26, told Insider that a man had been thrown from the road and a woman lay face-down screaming.

"It was horrifying," she said of coming upon the scene just before midnight on November 12.

"I heard a screech and a loud bang," another witness, Aundrea McKinsey, 25, told Insider. "It was scary."

Within 24 hours, police had Carmen E. Fernandez in custody. The 19-year-old Kappa Delta sorority member was charged with vehicular assault and DUI, according to police and press reports, but first there was a manhunt, according to local press reports.

Cellphone data laid out in court documents shows Kohberger's phone at his home in the early hours of November 13. A second-story window likely gave Kohberger — who, according to neighbors and court documents, was an insomniac — a view of the scene. It was also within earshot.

He left his apartment about 2:42 a.m. on November 13, according to cellular data and traffic-camera footage compiled by prosecutors, his white Hyundai sedan traveling 11 miles to Moscow. Prosecutors say he then committed the grisly murders, leaving behind a knife sheath containing the DNA that would eventually lead to his arrest.

By 5:30 a.m., cell-tower pings showed his phone back at his home.

"The police were there the whole time," Jose Mercado, 19, a student who lives in a nearby apartment with a view of both Kohberger's building and the accident scene, told Insider.

At 9 a.m., Kohberger's phone was on the move again, prosecutors said, and it returned to the scene of the murders before arriving back at his Pullman home at 9:32 a.m

[Much more at the link--very long article]

 

[katydid23]

Popping in and out of Pullman coffee shops, dropping by local craft-beer establishments, and attempting to hang out with his neighbors — Kohberger didn't stand out as unhinged, but rather as a sometimes-chatty guy whose lengthy conversations might throw a wrench in his neighbors' days.

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Dash's roommate, who asked Insider not to name him out of fear of harassment, said Kohberger gave him his phone number and repeatedly suggested that they socialize.

"He talked to everybody, he was a very chatty person — not charming, but outgoing," the roommate said. "He would ask me to hang out."

One day, the roommate suggested to Kohberger that they work out together.

"He seemed like a very fit person, so I asked if he wanted to come to my gym with me," he said.
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Over time, though, the man started to avoid Kohberger if he saw him coming — not because he didn't like him, but because their talks tended to drag on.

He said that when he saw Kohberger approach, he would quicken his step to appear in a hurry so it wouldn't look awkward to give Kohberger a passing hello rather than fall into a conversation.

"I know if I start, he won't stop," he told Insider.

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Kohberger's relationship with his downstairs neighbors, a couple with small children, was less friendly.

Angela He described him as an insomniac who kept them awake at night by pacing and intermittently running his garbage disposal, sometimes until 4 a.m.

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A criminology student named Emilie, who asked to be identified by only her first name, had Kohberger as a teacher's assistant. She said he had been gruff and difficult to deal with early in the semester.

After the killings, though, he seemed to lose interest in teaching, assigning his students to write essays and handing back uniform high grades.

"Afterward, he didn't grade at all," she said. "He was not a great TA."

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was eager to make friends, neighbors say — and so chatty one sometimes dodged him

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger has been called a loner, but others described him as being outgoing, charming, and eager to make friends.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I did 100% see a picture of the golf clubs inside of the house---in an empty room by the front door.

I've been looking for it now to post----but haven't found it yet. It does exist though, for sure.

They are very expensive clubs so it would not be smart to leave them overnight in his vehicle. That's probably why they were inside, close by the front door.

Someone on Reddit posted a screenshot from police body-cam footage that shows golf clubs in the first floor spare room window. The footage was taken on September 1 or 2. Does that ring a bell? That should be pretty easily verifiable. (I’d post the image, but I’m afraid it might be deleted since the site isn’t an approved source.)

If those golf clubs in the spare room belong to Ethan, I see no reason that BK’s defense would keep them—they are nowhere near the crime scene.

If Ethan let Xana bring one club upstairs for protection (which she likely didn’t feel she needed with a 6 ft. 4 in. boyfriend sleeping next to her), why would the defense hold the entire set of clubs?

So I expect the clubs were indeed in Ethan’s hard-topped jeep, which was held for whatever reason by the defense—at least until January 23.

 

[katydid23]

Someone on SM posted a screenshot from day-time police body-cam footage that shows golf clubs in the first floor spare room window. This was apparently in August. Does that ring a bell? That should be pretty easily verifiable. (I’d post the image, but I’m afraid it might be deleted since the site isn’t an approved source).

That could be the picture I saw. It was through the window by the front door.

If those golf clubs in the spare room belong to Ethan, I see no reason that BK’s defense would keep them—they are nowhere near the crime scene.

IDK.

If Ethan let Xana bring one club upstairs for protection (which she likely didn’t feel she needed with a 6 ft 4 in boyfriend sleeping next to her), why would the defense hold the entire set of clubs?

He may have just had his putter upstairs, to play around with. My son does that sometimes--just practices putting in the hallway on the carpet. lol

But if the club was nearby maybe Xana grabbed it for protection? Or maybe it had blood splatter on it?

So I expect the clubs were indeed in Ethan’s jeep, which was held for whatever reason by the defense—at least until January 23.

I don't think he'd leave his very expensive golf clubs in his Jeep all night. Jeeps are easy to break into and golf clubs are very noticeable.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

That could be the picture I saw. It was through the window by the front door.

IDK.

He may have just had his putter upstairs, to play around with. My son does that sometimes--just practices putting in the hallway on the carpet. lol

But if the club was nearby maybe Xana grabbed it for protection? Or maybe it had blood splatter on it?

I don't think he'd leave his very expensive golf clubs in his Jeep all night. Jeeps are easy to break into and golf clubs are very noticeable.

I corrected the date of the body-cam footage to September 1. On closer examination, it’s a night-time visit—I think the one where police had to call Maddie since none of the roommates were home.

 

[snooptroop88]

There's absolutely zero doubt in my mind he did this. Fox 13 notes in a recent article that his phone pinged nearly a dozen times to a tower that provides coverage to an area within 100 feet of the King Road house. All these little late night drives of his were after that pool party.
Article breaks down information related to the pings, continues: In the first two weeks of October 2022, around a month before the killings, records show that Kohberger allegedly visited an area near the same cellphone tower three more times.

Zero, no doubt he did it, he didn't anticipate he'd ever bungle things up with the sheath and there's all, all kinds of evidence readily available now, now that he made that error. And maybe this isn't stalking per se, but in the context of the crime, it's surveillance, he's surveilling the victims and the CS.

Like many others on here, I've always thought he was guilty. But so many questions, what was the thud? Is it certain he entered through the 2nd floor slider? If so, how'd he know it was going to be open? Alternatively, if he broke in, isn't the timing of that somewhat complicated with Xana's doordash? While I know he could certainly do it fairly quietly, it would be something of a risk. And did he really murder first on the third floor? I don't think anyone in LE has confirmed this as of yet, right? But it would seem to be the case BK started on third floor since DM woke up at 4am hearing the noises upstairs that she thought was someone playing with the dog. (But could acoustics have perhaps impacted that perception?) . And as far as BK surprising XK and giving her any significant time to respond (like to find a weapon), jmo but I don't think so because we're talking maybe a second or two or I'm sure she'd have screamed.

Hey guys, random question:

How do you think BK actually got into the house?

It may not matter.. .but make sense of the map of his movements versus the victims.

Sliding door on 2nd floor?
Climbing up to 3rd floor balcony and using that sliding door?
A window?
A door?

I think most of us assume it was the 2nd floor sliding door since he came down the steps to the 2nd floor before killing 2 more before exiting. but do we actually know?

Your thoughts?

Think the third floor was too unnecessarily risky in terms of entry. Why take risks having some random person at a distance see him trying to play Spiderman unless he knows that door's unlocked, which he probably doesn't? Since I think he was surveilling the area, he may have been watching to see if people visiting that house just cruised right in through the front door If so, he'd know that was an option. But if he did that, he probably also watched to see if people just cruised through the back slider, too. And that would be the better option. Do we know what kind of illumination it was back there, and if it was constant? Or if it was a switch v automatic? If one of the entryways was dark while others were illuminated, my guess is that might suddenly become "the best" option. Just guessing, though, and I hope we ultimately get some answers on all the questions.

 

[Boxer]

Someone on Reddit posted a screenshot from police body-cam footage that shows golf clubs in the first floor spare room window. The footage was taken on September 1 or 2. Does that ring a bell? That should be pretty easily verifiable. (I’d post the image, but I’m afraid it might be deleted since the site isn’t an approved source.)

If those golf clubs in the spare room belong to Ethan, I see no reason that BK’s defense would keep them—they are nowhere near the crime scene.

If Ethan let Xana bring one club upstairs for protection (which she likely didn’t feel she needed with a 6 ft. 4 in. boyfriend sleeping next to her), why would the defense hold the entire set of clubs?

So I expect the clubs were indeed in Ethan’s hard-topped jeep, which was held for whatever reason by the defense—at least until January 23.

MOO Golfers often keep a putter in the bedroom to practice putting when they have a minute and feel like it.

 

[katydid23]

I corrected the date of the body-cam footage to September 1. On closer examination, it’s a night-time visit—I think the one where police had to call Maddie since none of the roommates were home.

No, then this is a different picture I believe.

This was a daytime picture and it was taken during the investigation after the crime.

 

[Swansee]

Isn't there supposed to be a pre-trial conference today? Will this be streamed or closed?
I've looked at the Idaho COI page but can't find a recent order about it. I'm curious to watch and see if the Dateline "leaks" will be mentioned.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Isn't there supposed to be a pre-trial conference today? Will this be streamed or closed? I've looked at the Idaho COI page but can't find a recent order about it. I'm curious to watch and see if the Dateline "leaks" will be mentioned.

It’s scheduled tomorrow, May 15 at 9 am (MDT).

(See last page of the Current Case Summary.)

According to The Idaho Statesman, the Pre-trial Conference will be streamed live by Idaho’s 4th Judicial District Court at:

Fourth District Court Livestream

 

[Swansee]

Thanks @PunishThenForgive ! I hope this one will be open!

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Thanks @PunishThenForgive ! I hope this one will be open!

It will be! I added the link to my previous post.

 

[sar2them1984]

I did 100% see a picture of the golf clubs inside of the house---in an empty room by the front door.

I've been looking for it now to post----but haven't found it yet. It does exist though, for sure.

They are very expensive clubs so it would not be smart to leave them overnight in his Jeep.. That's probably why they were inside, close by the front door.

I have looked and have seen that photo now thanks, but again haven't seen any mention or evidence of them being removed for investigation purposes so I would assume that would rule out the golf club as a weapon theory

 

[pseudo_hum]

I have looked and have seen that photo now thanks, but again haven't seen any mention or evidence of them being removed for investigation purposes so I would assume that would rule out the golf club as a weapon theory

Agreed, IMO, his morning selfie probably would have, IMO, provided some evidence of a golf club encounter.

 

[snooptroop88]

Agreed, IMO, his morning selfie probably would have, IMO, provided some evidence of a golf club encounter.

Aside from the specific golf club aspect, I don't see how XK wouldn't have screamed if she had any chance to even try to obtain a weapon. Screaming would have been an equal priority to arming herself. Screaming would have alerted others in the area that something was seriously wrong, quite likely generating a 911 call. The possibility of that alone might have scared off any attacker. It's jmo, but if I were in a similar position, I'd be screaming before or during any search for a weapon.

Inebriation doesn't factor in as making a difference on this. If she felt threatened enough to go for some kind of makeshift weapon (hammer, golf club, what have you), she had the same level of awareness necessary to let out a scream or two.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

Aside from the specific golf club aspect, I don't see how XK wouldn't have screamed if she had any chance to even try to obtain a weapon. Screaming would have been an equal priority to arming herself. Screaming would have alerted others in the area that something was seriously wrong, quite likely generating a 911 call. The possibility of that alone might have scared off any attacker. It's jmo, but if I were in a similar position, I'd be screaming before or during any search for a weapon.

Inebriation doesn't factor in as making a difference on this. If she felt threatened enough to go for some kind of makeshift weapon (hammer, golf club, what have you), she had the same level of awareness necessary to let out a scream or two.

I can't see a gold club figuring into this at all.

As @snooptroop88 wrote, if she had time to arm herself, she had time to scream.

I can't see how BK, with his height and long arms and training in boxing and his attention on her, would have allowed himself to be hit by a golf club being wielded by a small woman, I don't care how athletic she was. No match. One doesn't bring a golf club to a knife fight.

Her fingers were nearly severed according to reports, from fighting back, trying to grab the KaBar away from BK.

No need to keep a putter in the room, it was XK's room, not EC's, he was just spending the night and they had activities planned that day, not golfing.

If BK sat on her chair, I would think he was just exhausted from stabbing 4 people to death and his adrenaline was gone.

All IMO.

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Aside from the specific golf club aspect, I don't see how XK wouldn't have screamed if she had any chance to even try to obtain a weapon. Screaming would have been an equal priority to arming herself. Screaming would have alerted others in the area that something was seriously wrong, quite likely generating a 911 call. The possibility of that alone might have scared off any attacker. It's jmo, but if I were in a similar position, I'd be screaming before or during any search for a weapon.

Inebriation doesn't factor in as making a difference on this. If she felt threatened enough to go for some kind of makeshift weapon (hammer, golf club, what have you), she had the same level of awareness necessary to let out a scream or two.

I wonder if she crept up the stairs and saw BK, then ran down again and said "someone's here" hoping he hadn't seen her or heard her, maybe she said someone was there hoping Ethan or DM would hear her and call 911 whilst she was trying to get to her phone in her room, but as we sadly know, he did see her.
Didn't DM say she thought she heard Kaylee running up and down the stairs? My guess is she did hear what she thought she heard, but but it was Xana.

I think you're right that she didn't have time to reach for a golf club or any other weapon.

 

[arielilane]

Nothing worth noting in the "new" documents

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger


5/13/2025

• NewOrder Sealing Joint Proposed Jury Instruction RE Tip Leading to Investigation of Defendant

5/9/2025

• NewMotion to Seal Joint Proposed Jury Instruction RE Tip Leading to Investigation of Defendant

Watch Hearings Live

Ada County CR01-24-31665

Current Case Summary


05/15/2025 Pre-trial Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

07/21/2025 Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

07/30/2025 Hearing Scheduled (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

08/11/2025 Jury Trial (8:30 AM) (Judicial Officer: Hippler, Steven)

 

[Rolypolyoly]

12:35

Thanks for this link. I've just watched it, as haven't been able to find the dateline ep here, and I was just struck by the way his searches are described, re college girls.

The way he searched made me think that he had maybe spotted someone in passing somewhere, and was searching images of female students from WSU and UOI hoping to identify them.

Obviously just complete speculation on my part.