4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[browneyes]

• NewAmended Order Governing Courtroom Conduct

What are the significant changes? I’m not familiar with the prior order. TIA

 

[Teche]

My husband, mother, stepmother, MIL, FIL, SIL, BIL, etc would have NO IDEA who Bryan Kohberger is. Or any of the other cases we follow here.

My husband has absolutely no clue about BK or RH. He’s a retired computer analyst who spends his time on spreadsheets, converting engineering formulas into an iPhone app for our son.

 

[INfisherman]

I know. Same. My son will occasionally ask me if I still hang out with my "internet murder group". I assume that is y'all. LOL.

South Park. They called it Internet murder p o r n, if memory serves me correctly. Hilarious. Say goodbye soon, off topic months from now, I’m sure.

<waves>

 

[DizzyB]

I've been looking too and just found something. Looks like it originated in the sealed documents attached to the defense's Franks motion. But the judge addresses it in his order re: the Franks motion.

https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01-24-31665/2025/021925-Order-Defedants-Moton-Franks-Hearing.pdf

According to Defendant, D.M. was unequivocal in her three interviews when she reported that, at approximately 4:00 a.m., she heard Ms. Goncalves walk upstairs with her dog before running back down the stairs saying "someone's here."! In Draft Exhibit A, however, law enforcement represented that "[D.M] said she heard who she thought was Goncalves say something to the effect of 'there's someone here.'"

footnote 20:
Based on Defendant's proffer, it is not a foregone fact that D.M. was mistaken when she said she heard Ms. Goncalves. D.M. reported it was approximately 4:00 a.m. when she heard Ms. Goncalves walk upstairs and then run back down the stairs saying, "Someone's here." Ms. Kernodle received a DoorDash delivery at the residence at 4:00 a.m. See, Payne Exhibit A at Bates 5160. It is entirely possible Ms. Goncalves ran downstairs when she heard the delivery-person and then went to bed, after which she was killed.

I hadn’t thought of it that way, but what if “there’s someone here” really was the Door Dash person?

 

[Arkay]

I believe the new information came from the prosecution. The prosecution has been manipulating the public since day one on how the case is perceived. They said a lot of false confusing information. Which pointed the blame to other people. Remember jack S? I think this was done to confuse Bryan and to help with the investigation etc. But now that trial is coming, they are turning it around and releasing the evidence that points to Bryan. Because they want to undo the smoke screen from the past and start pointing the blame to Bryan, and keeping it fresh in their minds as the jury pool is selected. It's all a planned PR strategy, in my opinion.

I respect everyone having his or her own opinion, yet I am confused by this post.

IIRC, from the very beginning Bryan has been the only named suspect. I’m not grasping your meaning that first the prosecution was blaming other people—-there was never any evidence against Jack that I can recall, and I’m puzzled by the statements that the prosecution is just now beginning to “release evidence” and “start pointing the blame to Bryan.”

I’ve followed this case from the start and it’s been only Bryan who was arrested and charged for the murders.

This is not a sudden turn into blaming him just prior to trial.

IMO plus all the facts thus far revealed.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

In reference to the recent Dateline episode:

Post from Unsolved No More (Detective Mains)

 

[Arkay]

Ha, I hear you all, those whose family members are oblivious to our passion.

I’m an identical twin whose sister has my face, but an opposite personality. She always asks why I would immerse myself in all the sorrow, and I always tell her that it intrigues me and I enjoy when justice is done.

We speak several times a day, and she happened to call me JUST AS THE VERDICT WAS ANNOUNCED for Abby and Libby! I was screaming at her that I’ve waited seven years for this exact moment—-she was completely unaware because she has no interest in true crime.

This, and everyone else’s stories above, make me less concerned that Dateline and its ilk will be problematic.

The only opinions that count will be those of the 12 jurors. I’m sure they can rustle up at least that many who know of the murders, think it’s terrible, but otherwise have not delved into any of the details.

JMO and experience .

 

[INfisherman]

I believe the new information came from the prosecution. The prosecution has been manipulating the public since day one on how the case is perceived. They said a lot of false confusing information. Which pointed the blame to other people. Remember jack S? I think this was done to confuse Bryan and to help with the investigation etc. But now that trial is coming, they are turning it around and releasing the evidence that points to Bryan. Because they want to undo the smoke screen from the past and start pointing the blame to Bryan, and keeping it fresh in their minds as the jury pool is selected. It's all a planned PR strategy, in my opinion.

Especially the DNA at the found at the scene - that’s all PR manipulative strategy too, I’m sure, along with the defense requesting a Frank’s hearing (which is more or less accusing the state of misconduct in regards to probable cause, every day & twice on Sunday IIRC, which was denied) all part of the prosecution’s plan to frame SirCreepsALot & mislead the sheeple.

What does it matter in a court what the public perception might be? 2 representatives try the case in front of a judge, whether we like their presentations or not & the judge steers those presentations within the lanes of the law. One of those was chosen by Ka-barburger himself & requested the trial be moved so he could tie his shoes more fairly in another county, even while he lived in another state, from which he chose to stargaze 23 some odd times & one night in particular when it was foggy & he was likely traveling with his Amazon purchases. 12 people decide the defendants fate, not the public.

If anyone is trying to taint the jurors, it’s the defense with their SOBBB5DDI (some other bushy browed backwards 5’s dude did it) & BS about a drop of blood on a handrail away from 4 other murders. DNA, phone & Amazon data will put the caterpillars in the house where he doesn’t belong. No other evidence presented as of yet puts anyone else within a bushy eyebrowed shot of the house, unless AT has NASA working overtime for her, reviewing the discovery she doesn’t have time to review.

MOO (baahh?)

 

[PunishThenForgive]

They were re-enating the crime with a man of 50?

They were trying to figure out a minimum range of times that one person could commit the murders. If a 50-year old can do it, then so can BK. Plus it compensates for the fact that the re-enactment (if the photographer is right) takes place in daylight.

IMO

 

[MassGuy]

What are the significant changes? I’m not familiar with the prior order. TIA

Not sure, but it seems pretty standard to me. I'm just thrilled we can actually watch it.

 

[snooptroop88]

I hadn’t thought of it that way, but what if “there’s someone here” really was the Door Dash person?

But okay, who's saying it? Xana supposedly ordered DoorDash, there's really no reason for her to be alerting the house to the fact that her DoorDasher's there, I would think.

If Kaylee said it in reference to the DoorDasher--and her window does face out into the driveway, correct?-- then Kaylee was still up.

Are we discussing the possibility that the DoorDasher was announcing himself or herself? I I doubt it, but it's jmo.

 

[browneyes]

Not sure, but it seems pretty standard to me. I'm just thrilled we can actually watch it.

Me too. If I lived closer, I would love to attend.

 

[sassyblue]

Me too. If I lived closer, I would love to attend.

I'm close but I'm not a get into a 2 AM line person either. I like to sleep.

 

[INfisherman]

They were trying to figure out a minimum range of times that one person could commit the murders. If a 50-year old can do it, then so can BK. Plus it compensates for the fact that the re-enactment (if the photographer is right) takes place in daylight.

IMO

Was that a 50 with an upright 5 or upside down 5?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

But okay, who's saying it? Xana supposedly ordered DoorDash, there's really no reason for her to be alerting the house to the fact that her DoorDasher's there, I would think.

If Kaylee said it in reference to the DoorDasher-- and her window does face out into the driveway, correct?-- then Kaylee was still up.

Are we discussing the possibility that the DoorDasher was announcing himself or herself? I I doubt it, but it's jmo.

Kaylee’s room had a window facing the parking area in front of the house and, of course, a slider facing the back yard.




When I first read the PC affidavit, I wondered if Kaylee saw BK slinking down to the back patio from his elevated parking perch behind the house, stepped into the hallway and announced “There’s someone’s here.” But she was much more likely asleep in Maddie’s room as Bry-boy entered the house.

 

[Ghostwheel]

They were re-enating the crime with a man of 50?

If he could do it, someone who could not tie their shoelaces could.... maybe....

 

[DisplacedDivaofthe6C]

I've been thinking about what may have been in BK's mind planning this out, especially after watching the Dateline episode (numerous times now). Obviously there had to be some premeditation on his behalf, especially with ordering the KA-BAR before arriving at WSU. As a CJ and psych student he would have looked at stuff with no one really being concerned he was reading about Ted Bundy.

So...I have been contemplating if he was to keep killing King Road would have been his first kill (that we know of) and maybe working his way up like Bundy did with Chi Omega to get into a sorority and kill multiple women. The King Road property was multi-level with a number of bedrooms, unique architecture, much like a mini-ish type sorority house. It would be interesting to see what photos on his phone discussed on Dateline were of girls from one or a few specific sororities.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Catching up here. Is a theory being bandied about that Kaylee may have gone upstairs with the dog (maybe even after being out with him) around 4 AM (which could be 3:36 am), then came back down and said "Someone is here", then went back up and passed out in Maddie's bed? Like maybe calling to Xana that someone is here because she knew Xana had ordered door dash. I'd be curious to know how long between upstairs and downstairs, and if it was a louder "Someone's here" calling to Xana could maker sense. Even starting up the stairs, then sees Xana (because maybe she got a text that her DD was there) and calls to her that someone is here.

I had originally thought Kaylee had been passed out next to Maddie for a bit, but after finding out she was backed in a corner and well beaten, I was reconsidering that.

 

[Boxer]

They were trying to figure out a minimum range of times that one person could commit the murders. If a 50-year old can do it, then so can BK. Plus it compensates for the fact that the re-enactment (if the photographer is right) takes place in daylight.

IMO

True. That does make sure the elapsed time was sufficient.

 

[Boxer]

Also some random weird things.
He arrived for the first loop by 1122 just as the moon crossed its meridian at 3:35am.
His birthday is 11/21/94.