4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #107

[Megnut]

GH is still working on an animation. This is Part 1, new version.

I purposefully waited until morning to post it here because it's just so eerie and real, the stuff of nightmares and I didn't want it to wind up in yours.

It's 20 minutes, but it loops -- BK going upstairs, XK seeing the open slider, gping upstairs where she encounters BK... all the while GH overlays Morrison from Dateline for narration.

Well done. Chilling as hell.

***ETA. He doesn't depict the violence, just implies it.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

GH is still working on an animation. This is Part 1, new version.

I purposefully waited until morning to post it here because it's just so eerie and real, the stuff of nightmares and I didn't want it to wind up in yours.

It's 20 minutes, but it's loops -- BK going upstairs, XK seeing the open slider, gping upstairs where she encounters BK... all the while GH overlays Morrison from Dateline for narration.

Well done. Chilling as hell.

JMO

I want to watch, but don't want to watch it.

 

[Megnut]

I want to watch, but don't want to watch it.

I should note that GH only implies the violence, he doesn't recreate it. It's the reality of it that's chilling. The suspence and the knowing what happened.

JMO

 

[Jw192]

Let me ask for opinions here:

What are the chances BK pleads guilty right before the trial?

I give it 60% chance.

What say you????

Absolutely zero.

Dudes a textbook case of SPITR syndrome.
I honestly believe the trial and all of the legal stuff is all a part of his living fantasy or whatever it is too.
He's gonna be sat there squirming in his underpants during trial, getting his creepy little rocks off each time someone gets something wrong or not quite correct, he's gonna buzz off the things the state haven't figured out or mentioned.
He's probably looking forward to trial more than we are, the supercilious ghoul.

MOO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

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Good tips but I would say the most important tip is to lock your door when you sleep. That would prevent so many crimes. And better to have a barrier lock as well. Such as a slide bolt. Because cheap locks can be picked.

 

[MeadowMuffin]

This is from Appelman's book:

Now, this is a slippery connection, as Appelman doesn't state directly that the book they found was Rodger's manifesto; he juxtaposes the two so a reader will assume that's the book in the Evidence Log. And perhaps it is. I think that idea got traction because Rodger killed college students and there was that social media poster "Pappa Rodger" that some people in the media and the blog/podcast world thought that was a Kohberger alter ego. But if the book with the underlining on page 118 turns out to be Rodger's manifesto, that's our answer.

Thank you. I had thought the book might have been The Handmaid's Tale because BK attended the author's lecture.
Front of the class as usual

 

[girlhasnoname]

Thank you. I had thought the book might have been The Handmaiden's Tale because BK attended the author's lecture.
Front of the class as usual

I can understand BK loving the idea of a Dystopian Society against Women. Front and center, yes!

JMO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

I wanted to expand on the use of technology with Bryan kohberger. He apparently studied cloud-based forensics in criminology. "Documents show his past education included undergraduate degrees in psychology and cloud-based forensics". (Link below)

And because of his studies of technology, I was wondering what if any technology he used in committing his crimes. Did he use any technology to prevent the students at the house from calling or texting while he was in the house? Is that what gave him the confidence to commit these crimes?

And I hesitate to say what that technology is. So I will leave it as a rhetorical question lol.

Kohberger's trial still Oct. 2, 'actual' alibi due Sept. 8, judge says

Bryan Kohberger was back in a courtroom on Friday and attempting to cast doubt in key DNA evidence and pause the start of his trial.

wsbt.com

 

[otto]

This is where I am. I can't go with the "He went to Maddie's room first" as an argument that she was "the target" until we see evidence of that. However, I don't have a problem with the prosecution making that argument to the jury.

Okay with the prosecution presenting an argument that isn't true in order to secure a conviction?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

This is from Appelman's book:

Now, this is a slippery connection, as Appelman doesn't state directly that the book they found was Rodger's manifesto; he juxtaposes the two so a reader will assume that's the book in the Evidence Log. And perhaps it is. I think that idea got traction because Rodger killed college students and there was that social media poster "Pappa Rodger" that some people in the media and the blog/podcast world thought that was a Kohberger alter ego. But if the book with the underlining on page 118 turns out to be Rodger's manifesto, that's our answer.

Thank you. I had thought the book might have been The Handmaid's Tale because BK attended the author's lecture.
Front of the class as usual

I share your suspicion, MeadowMuffin! The photo of BK sitting in the front row of Margaret Atwood’s lecture at his community college sent chills down my spine. He had a copy of The Handmaid’s Tale in his evil hands!

That book made an enormous impression on me when I read it in college (decades before the Hulu series, which I couldn’t bear to watch—reading the novel was harrowing enough). I, like any other major fan of the book, I imagine, immediately checked my copy’s page 118 and even bigger chills went down my spine.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

Okay with the prosecution presenting an argument that isn't true in order to secure a conviction?

We won't know if it's true or not, unless BK says it. And even if he says it, we're still not sure if it's true, or he's just saying it.

 

[SteveP]

Okay with the prosecution presenting an argument that isn't true in order to secure a conviction?

I do not believe the prosecution is going to have to argue that Maddie was "the target" in order to prove that BK killed her. Btw, I have always believed that she was, and still do. Evidence may indicate that he went to her room first, but no one knows for sure that he did, or why that he may have, and it ultimately doesn't matter. I believe the state will just say that he entered the house, went upstairs and went into Maddie's room and murdered her and Kaylee, then went downstairs where he encountered Xana and Ethan, and murdered them. I do not believe they will say that BK did or did not look into Kaylee's room, nor does the jury need to know that. They may suggest that Xana may have heard a noise and either started upstairs, where she encountered BK, or was outside of her room, kitchen maybe, and BK saw her as he rushed down the stairs. They can offer an argument as to who they believe was a target, but whether they do or not does not change the facts that he murdered all four. The only person who knows for sure who or what may have been "the target", is BK, and he likely isn't going to share that with us. JMO

 

[concernedcitizen706]

So anyway I will take a chance and say that I was considering, and that since BK had an interest in technology, I was wondering if he used some technology to prevent the students from calling or texting out. One such item would be a jammer. Jammers can be bought for less than $200 and you can order them online from countries such as China. See screenshot for link.

I guess police would know whether he used one or not. Because if he used one, they wouldn't be able to see any movements of the phone of the people there.

But I would think it would make sense that he would use this, to ensure his own safety while he committed these crimes.

I know if I mention this to people they get very upset about it. It's interesting we can speculate about a huge lethal knife, and everyone's okay with that, but if I talk about this other type of equipment, it doesn't sit well with people.

 

[concernedcitizen706]

I do not believe the prosecution is going to have to argue that Maddie was "the target" in order to prove that BK killed her. Btw, I have always believed that she was, and still do. Evidence may indicate that he went to her room first, but no one knows for sure that he did, or why that he may have, and it ultimately doesn't matter. I believe the state will just say that he entered the house, went upstairs and went into Maddie's room and murdered her and Kaylee, then went downstairs where he encountered Xana and Ethan, and murdered them. I do not believe they will say that BK did or did not look into Kaylee's room, nor does the jury need to know that. They may suggest that Xana may have heard a noise and either started upstairs, where she encountered BK, or was outside of her room, kitchen maybe, and BK saw her as he rushed down the stairs. They can offer an argument as to who they believe was a target, but whether they do or not does not change the facts that he murdered all four. The only person who knows who or what may have been "the target", is BK, and he likely isn't going to share that with us. JMO

Right, I agree. They will try to make it more cut and dried. I think it also depends what other information police know, that we don't. Did BK spend a lot of time looking at her pictures online. Did he go to her workplace or talk to any of her friends. And did he do this more to her, than he did to the other girls. I don't think we've gotten all those details yet and hopefully we will at trial if they plan on making that case.

 

[Justice101]

I do not believe the prosecution is going to have to argue that Maddie was "the target" in order to prove that BK killed her. Btw, I have always believed that she was, and still do. Evidence may indicate that he went to her room first, but no one knows for sure that he did, or why that he may have, and it ultimately doesn't matter. I believe the state will just say that he entered the house, went upstairs and went into Maddie's room and murdered her and Kaylee, then went downstairs where he encountered Xana and Ethan, and murdered them. I do not believe they will say that BK did or did not look into Kaylee's room, nor does the jury need to know that. They may suggest that Xana may have heard a noise and either started upstairs, where she encountered BK, or was outside of her room, kitchen maybe, and BK saw her as he rushed down the stairs. They can offer an argument as to who they believe was a target, but whether they do or not does not change the facts that he murdered all four. The only person who knows who or what may have been "the target", is BK, and he likely isn't going to share that with us. JMO

Totally Agree.

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[jepop]

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Wondering if anyone might have a moment to check the Idaho Courts Cases of interest page and the BK case summary link under his case number. I'm looking for the Motion for Continuance listing (20th May). Because I'm outside the US I may not be getting the updated summary, OTOH the 20 May update may have been reversed which is of interest to me. As of now I'm still getting the last update as 15 May when I click on the link. All good if no one can. Just thought I'd check.

 

[otto]

We won't know if it's true or not, unless BK says it. And even if he says it, we're still not sure if it's true, or he's just saying it.

The prosecution cannot knowingly present a false argument to the jury under any circumstances. The end does not justify the means. The prosecution's responsibility is to present the facts of the case based on their legal understanding of the evidence, nothing more, nothing less.

If the prosecution argues that the house was chosen based on female student occupants and houseguests, and the goal was to murder as many as possible, that must be supported with evidence. Alternatively, evidence may indicate that one of the occupants was the intended victim and others were murdered because they were witnesses. The prosecution cannot present/concoct a false argument that they hope will sway the jury in order to secure a conviction. Truth matters.

 

[SteveP]

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

Wondering if anyone might have a moment to check the Idaho Courts Cases of interest page and the BK case summary link under his case number. I'm looking for the Motion for Continuance listing (20th May). Because I'm outside the US I may not be getting the updated summary, OTOH the 20 May update may have been reversed which is of interest to me. As of now I'm still getting the last update as 15 May when I click on the link. All good if no one can. Just thought I'd check.

I just checked, and I am getting the same thing as you did.

 

[otto]

I do not believe the prosecution is going to have to argue that Maddie was "the target" in order to prove that BK killed her. Btw, I have always believed that she was, and still do. Evidence may indicate that he went to her room first, but no one knows for sure that he did, or why that he may have, and it ultimately doesn't matter. I believe the state will just say that he entered the house, went upstairs and went into Maddie's room and murdered her and Kaylee, then went downstairs where he encountered Xana and Ethan, and murdered them. I do not believe they will say that BK did or did not look into Kaylee's room, nor does the jury need to know that. They may suggest that Xana may have heard a noise and either started upstairs, where she encountered BK, or was outside of her room, kitchen maybe, and BK saw her as he rushed down the stairs. They can offer an argument as to who they believe was a target, but whether they do or not does not change the facts that he murdered all four. The only person who knows who or what may have been "the target", is BK, and he likely isn't going to share that with us. JMO

True. The prosecution has to present their argument based on evidence. Factual, evidence-based sequence of events will paint the picture for the jury. Who lived at the house, who didn't, what happened first, second, third, and who saw him leave the house.

 

[jepop]

I just checked, and I am getting the same thing as you did.

Thanks very much.