4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #88

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It was after, per the PCA

"On December 27, 2022, Pennsylvania Agents recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA. That evidence was sent to the Idaho State Lab for testing. On December 28,2022, the Idaho State Lab reported that a DNA profrle obtained ftom the trash and the DNA profile obtained from the sheath, identified a male as not being excluded as the bioiogical father of Suspect Profile."


Thank you. I must have been thinking of the arrest (duh, of course they had it before the arrest).

Not only was Kohberger's father not excluded, he was like a 49.9% match, IIRC.
 
They were and that is what happened Imo. On 28th Dec ISL lab extracted a sample of BK's dad dna from the Kohberger family trash as per PCA and P filings in this case. It's reasonable to assume they were looking for BK's dna but couldn't find any in that trash Imo. The inference is that BK was bagging up his own separately and dumping it in neighbours bin. IIRC this was reported as being observed by fbi who were surveiling BK in the 5 days or so prior to his arrest. Moo
It seems the FBI lost BK for a few days while he and his father drove back to Pennsylvania and then found them again when they arrived home? Does anyone remember what day they arrived in Pennsylvania?
 
Left 12/12-15 arrived. Via Colorado.

Thank you for the dates! And IIRC, there was evidence of at least one night in a motel. Seems like most likely two nights.

Do we know for sure that the FBI was trying to follow or track them? LE obviously knew where they were going. FBI has denied tracking him. (These are just general questions, aimed at the conversation, not at you).
 
Thank you. I must have been thinking of the arrest (duh, of course they had it before the arrest).

Not only was Kohberger's father not excluded, he was like a 49.9% match, IIRC.
Yes!

Bonus: it appears to be a straight solid line to the locally pulled sheath dna. Ive seen it incorrectly implied over and over and over again that the IGG related profile was used for that test.
 

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger was kicked out of a high school law enforcement program after girls complained about his behavior, one of his former teachers has revealed.


While Kohberger, 28, was vocal about his dreams of a career in law enforcement, his behavior made it clear that he would not end up being a cop, according to Tanya Carmella-Beers, a former administrator at the Monroe Career and Technical Institute.

Speaking on The Idaho Massacre podcast, Carmella-Beers said she was shocked after learning Kohberger's alleged crimes, but added that his arrest 'made sense' given what she knew about his past.

'It wasn't gonna be an ending up in the police academy kind of thing for him,' she said. 'It was gonna be a little bit more of a challenge for him to get there.'

Snip.

Serulneck claimed his workers labeled Kohberger in their systems as a guy who 'makes creepy comments' and said he once called a staffer 'a 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬' for spurning his advances.

As a teaching assistant at Washington State University - a job he was fired from - Kohberger was accused of sexism.

'Kohberger allegedly told female colleagues that men were going to take their jobs because women aren’t as smart grading female students more harshly than males,' NewsNation reported.
 
What are the actual chances of an October trial?

Very high because what we are seeing is the results of a defendant who has not waived his rights to a speedy trial.This is unusual for this type of case.

Despite not waiving speedy trial rights the defense asked the judge for a stay, for more time, and he did not grant the request. Thus, the judge has the defense on a tight timetable.

The judge in the case on Friday denied a motion by Bryan Kohberger’s defense team to pause proceedings over their outstanding questions about his grand jury indictment.

Judge John Judge of Idaho’s 2nd Judicial District set a breakneck pace to hit the Oct. 2 trial date, telling the prosecution and public defenders for Kohberger that they’ll need to be finished with the discovery process in two weeks, name the experts they plan to have testify a week after that and identify all of their witnesses by the middle of next month. All motions have to be filed by Sept. 22, in time for jury selection starting Sept. 25.


“I know Mr. Kohberger is anxious to have this speedy trial and he’s entitled to that, so I’m going to tell you, this is a little bit of a reality check,” Judge said. “I’m not even promising it’s doable, but that’s just what we have to do. … So here we are.”

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/article278315083.html#storylink=cpy
Judge in Bryan Kohberger murder case issues aggressive schedule ahead of October trial
 
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I personally think he'll waive his right to a speedy trial Sept 8th but will be happy to eat my hat if I'm wrong.

I don't actually own a hat so will have to buy one and personally I will be over the moon if it does start in October.

As an Idaho citizen with local friends whose children attend that college all of us will be extremely grateful to see him convicted sooner rather than later. I just hope the jury in Moscow is as good as the one in Boise that convicted Vallow- Daybell.
 

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After reading the above attachments, I feel much more comfortable with this judge doing the right thing. All very definite and shipshape. Let's go! Mr. Kohberger seems like a very impatient man. Maybe he knows extra innings won't change the outcome and just wants to get on with it.
 
I should clarify, they never tested the father. They tested trash from the bin at the Kohbergers family home, and it came back a paternal match to the unknown male subject on the sheath. And they knew that the other two kids are daughters.

MOO
I was thinking about this. This method of testing would never work at my house because we have frequent deliveries, guests and workmen and I'm certain our trash contains all of their different DNA's on water bottles and other disposable items, like Kleenex, paper towels, napkins, disposable cups, disposable guest towels, liquid soap containers and whatever they brought with them such as boxes, plastic wrap, etc and I'm sure the deliveries contain DNA from whoever packed them and groceries probably have DNA from where they were manufactured, the people who packed them for shipment, the people who transported and moved them, the people who unpacked and stocked shelves, then anyone who might have touched the item before me, me the purchaser, the checker and bagger and finally the person who put them in my vehicle. The odds of being able to select one person's DNA out of our trash would be tiny. In just a week there might well be thousands of different people's DNA on our trash. That must have been a daunting prospect to weed out a piece of trash from one person.
 
I was thinking about this. This method of testing would never work at my house because we have frequent deliveries, guests and workmen and I'm certain our trash contains all of their different DNA's on water bottles and other disposable items, like Kleenex, paper towels, napkins, disposable cups, disposable guest towels, liquid soap containers and whatever they brought with them such as boxes, plastic wrap, etc and I'm sure the deliveries contain DNA from whoever packed them and groceries probably have DNA from where they were manufactured, the people who packed them for shipment, the people who transported and moved them, the people who unpacked and stocked shelves, then anyone who might have touched the item before me, me the purchaser, the checker and bagger and finally the person who put them in my vehicle. The odds of being able to select one person's DNA out of our trash would be tiny. In just a week there might well be thousands of different people's DNA on our trash. That must have been a daunting prospect to weed out a piece of trash from one person.
Who knows the level of surveillance they had going on the house. Maybe they actually targeted particular items, based on what they were able to see family touching, drinking, picking up fast food etc…
 
Does he have court tomorrow?
I think it's just a counsel status hearing on 23rd. BK wouldn't attend that? I'd think not anyway. Next hearing according to filings is Sept 1 - Motion to Dismiss. A new (additional) filing is due on 23rd August from the D re that motion. The P has been given a week to digest and respond. This was negotiated at August 18th hearing when D mentioned they will be filing something new in regard to Motion to Dismiss. This is one of the reasons (apart from time constraints) why MtD was dropped from the agenda last week, Imo.
 
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I was thinking about this. This method of testing would never work at my house because we have frequent deliveries, guests and workmen and I'm certain our trash contains all of their different DNA's on water bottles and other disposable items, like Kleenex, paper towels, napkins, disposable cups, disposable guest towels, liquid soap containers and whatever they brought with them such as boxes, plastic wrap, etc and I'm sure the deliveries contain DNA from whoever packed them and groceries probably have DNA from where they were manufactured, the people who packed them for shipment, the people who transported and moved them, the people who unpacked and stocked shelves, then anyone who might have touched the item before me, me the purchaser, the checker and bagger and finally the person who put them in my vehicle. The odds of being able to select one person's DNA out of our trash would be tiny. In just a week there might well be thousands of different people's DNA on our trash. That must have been a daunting prospect to weed out a piece of trash from one person.

I think it would work, since I've collected trash and teach a lab that includes collecting, preserving and describing trash (preliminary to forensic work).

LE and forensic workers are trained.

You go for things that look like they came from the bathroom trash. It's rare for workmen and housekeepers and DoorDash drivers to use the bathroom, but no worries -you're not looking for THEIR DNA, you're looking for Kohberger DNA.

So, in additional to bathroom trash (kleenex, discarded toothpaste tubes, paper towels, perhaps paper cups - frequently used in bathrooms) we look for:

Other paper towels
Paper and plastic cups
Tissues that could be used to clean eyeglasses (they knew Mr Kohberger wore glasses)
Food packaging (it's really rare that DoorDash or delivery people open up the lunch meat and make a sandwich)
The trash bags themselves (ditto - most of the time, DoorDash people or delivery people do not take my trash out for me)

But none of that matters because you're not looking for OTHER DNA. You start testing the most likely object and it only takes one (although, frankly, I'd be interested in more testing, as I'm that's how I roll and that's how the geneticists I admire roll).

Just think what a win it would be if Mr. Kohberger shaves! (He sure looks like he shaves). The discarded razor blades are DNA gold. He might not discard them daily, but he does discard them sometimes. Or nicks himself and dabs with a tissue. Or throws away a tube of toothpaste (and it didn't really matter which parent was tested - but I understand why they used the paternal DNA in the PCA - I'm sure they have both parents' DNA at this point).

Mr. Kohberger might not do much in the way of brushing his hair, although he definitely has hair and might actually brush it. Most people who brush their hair toss the hair from the brush (I do it daily, as do many people I know - but at least once a week, right?)

As for other parts of the trash, lots of people use paper plates and cups when they eat. Not too many use plastic silverware, but while eating, the utensils touch the plates. Cups are better. Soda cans are great. Unless the Kohbergers are unusual, they occasionally have soda or drink from a water bottle or throw away food that they prepared using their hands (potato peels, egg shells, etc). All will have your DNA on them! And they will know they've found what they're looking for when it's a 49% or higher match with the suspect DNA.

Christmas wrapping paper. Christmas boxes. Plastic bags unpacked by someone putting away groceries. SO many sources. And again, never had anyone else put away my groceries (usually just me - but sometimes husband). His DNA would be all over the big jugs of water we sometimes buy. And, of course, he too brushes his hair. Some people run their shaving byproducts down the drain, but many do not (wipe them up and put them in the trash - otherwise, things clog!)

I'm sure others can think of many other vectors. We throw stuff away daily, touched mainly by ourselves. Doesn't matter who else's DNA is on there - LE is not looking for a new suspect.

They're looking for a match to a person with a white Elantra and a particular set of DNA nucleotides. I bet they found several objects and were able to find a complete profile (which would be typical if a person ever uses a tissue or a paper cup or a soda can). Many people have favorite beverages that they sip directly from the container. SO many options.

Old paperwork is great, too. And packaging is so useful (every time we open a new package of anything - we leave our DNA on the packaging, which we throw in the trash.

Keep one's DNA out of the trash would require effort (and some secrecy or oddball practices, IMO).

Don't be so sure it woudn't work at your house - the delivery person's DNA doesn't replace yours - just is in addition to yours. No one was looking for random delivery guy. If one of your genetic relatives committed a serious crime and you went on with your regular trash disposal mechanisms (not realizing that person was a suspect), I'm pretty sure we could find your DNA on some object in the trash (along with other people's of course - although in different proportions). Cast off chapstick is great. Old socks and cast off clothing is also good. But Christmas brings a plethora of choices - as most family members touch many things inside their house, only to discard packaging, gift wrap, etc.

I forgot junk mail! Very few delivery people touch my junk mail - just the postman. But if they were looking for one of my kids - the postman is irrelevant (although possibly now in some database as John Doe).
 
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