4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #91

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Rsbm

This.

He chose.

He stopped holding back and chose forward.

And that is scary as hell.

JMO

Stopped holding back and did the thing he'd been fantasising about is a good way of putting it IMO.

Maybe he'd had these type of ideas for many many years and never acted on them but thought them through and 'daydreamed' every permutation.

If something made him stop holding back then maybe it's because he'd given up on the other side of life, a 'normal' life. Because he had received some pretty brutal rejections - the loss of his position at the university, being confronted by fellow peers about his harsh grading, can't remember what stage he was banned off the campus. But when he was planning that trip home with his father, maybe he 'knew' it was the end of his life in Idaho and that's why he acted when he did?

JMO MOO

 

[Dotta]

Both. Chose that night but snapped and lost control of the crime scene.

Reality never lives up to fantasy.

Fantasy means complete control.
But reality involves unpredictable things.

Things which come into conflict with fantasy.

JMO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Reality never lives up to fantasy.

Fantasy means complete control.
But reality involves unpredictable things.

JMO

Looks like it did involve unpredictable things. Maybe that's the crux of where he went wrong?

I wonder how proficient BK is at determining his internal fantasy world from the external reality?

I wonder how shook up (or not) he would be when enacting a fantasy scenario and it all goes a bit off plan? I wonder how he felt after this event, aside from adrenaline etc, whether he actually felt crushed and jaded because it wasn't the way he'd hoped and also someone may have seen him and he'd lost the sheath?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Anne Taylor in another case last year. This shows that it is normal for her to leave no stone unturned in her defense of death penalty defendants.

May 2, 2023

Attorney challenges death penalty, citing changes in Idaho law

May 2—Second District Judge Mark Monson granted a motion to challenge the death penalty for Richard Ross that cited Idaho's new law on firing squads as a method of execution as the reason for objection. Monson made the decision at a motion hearing Tuesday at the Nez Perce County Courthouse...

www.yahoo.com

Second District Judge Mark Monson granted a motion to challenge the death penalty for Richard Ross that cited Idaho's new law on firing squads as a method of execution as the reason for objection.

Monson made the decision at a motion hearing Tuesday at the Nez Perce County Courthouse, where attorneys appeared by Zoom, and also granted the release of property to Ross.

Richard Ross is facing the death penalty and a first-degree murder charge for the death of his former brother-in-law Michael Devin, and Devin's mother, Edwina "Eddy" Devin.

In the motion filed by Ross' attorney, public defender Anne Taylor, she requested that the court allow the challenge to the death penalty in addition to other challenges that have been filed.

Yes, AT is a very good Defense Attorney IMO. I don't like that she's representing BK, but he is entitled to a vigorous defense and she sure as heck is providing one.

 

[iamshadow21]

Looks like it did involve unpredictable things. Maybe that's the crux of where he went wrong?

I wonder how proficient BK is at determining his internal fantasy world from the external reality?

I wonder how shook up (or not) he would be when enacting a fantasy scenario and it all goes a bit off plan? I wonder how he felt after this event, aside from adrenaline etc, whether he actually felt crushed and jaded because it wasn't the way he'd hoped and also someone may have seen him and he'd lost the sheath?

I've seen and read things about some violent serial offenders who say the rush is short-lived, it's never quite as satisfying as they hoped, and they're forever hoping the 'next time' will live up to the fantasy. So they do it again, chasing that experience, that sensation.

MOO

 

[Cool Cats]

I've seen and read things about some violent serial offenders who say the rush is short-lived, it's never quite as satisfying as they hoped, and they're forever hoping the 'next time' will live up to the fantasy. So they do it again, chasing that experience, that sensation.

MOO

Then thankfully he's locked up.

 

[Boxer]

Interesting point that this killer may have turned his phone back on simply because he got lost on those dark country roads and wanted to get directions.

What time was Moscow Idaho sunrise on November 13, 2022?

Even at 5:00am I assume it was still dark. I can't imagine him noticing that his sheath fell out of his pocket later than 5:00am.

You could be right that the sheath was in his pocket and he didn't realize until later that it had fallen out.

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Agree. But why did he "snap" on that particular weekend? The weekend of November 12 and 13. Why not the weekend before or after? When exactly were his confrontations with his professor? Maybe that is a clue.

Maybe he felt pressure to hurry and do it before finals and Christmas break. He may have known he wasn't coming back.

Perhaps feeling "hurried" caused him to make mistakes.

2 Cents

Sunrise was 6:48 am according to google.

 

[Boxer]

Stopped holding back and did the thing he'd been fantasising about is a good way of putting it IMO.

Maybe he'd had these type of ideas for many many years and never acted on them but thought them through and 'daydreamed' every permutation.

If something made him stop holding back then maybe it's because he'd given up on the other side of life, a 'normal' life. Because he had received some pretty brutal rejections - the loss of his position at the university, being confronted by fellow peers about his harsh grading, can't remember what stage he was banned off the campus. But when he was planning that trip home with his father, maybe he 'knew' it was the end of his life in Idaho and that's why he acted when he did?

JMO MOO

Yes. Supported by his parents this was the ideal outcome for their efforts - his father's pride talking to the policeman was heartbreaking.

 

[Balthazar]

Stopped holding back and did the thing he'd been fantasising about is a good way of putting it IMO.

Maybe he'd had these type of ideas for many many years and never acted on them but thought them through and 'daydreamed' every permutation.

If something made him stop holding back then maybe it's because he'd given up on the other side of life, a 'normal' life. Because he had received some pretty brutal rejections - the loss of his position at the university, being confronted by fellow peers about his harsh grading, can't remember what stage he was banned off the campus. But when he was planning that trip home with his father, maybe he 'knew' it was the end of his life in Idaho and that's why he acted when he did?

JMO MOO

"One day after the search of his apartment, Kohberger received a trespass order from the police chief at WSU, Gary Jenkins. "This admonition is to inform you that you have been trespassed from all areas of Washington State University campuses."

Did Bryan Kohberger Clear Out Apartment Before Police Search?

Assistant Chief Dawn Daniels of the WSU Pullman Police Department describes the largely empty apartment in a report filed after she and other officers were sent to collect evidence just hours after Kohberger's arrest in Pennsylvania on December 30.

www.insideedition.com

I, too, have wondered if these events might have played a role in what happened.

All JMO.

 

[schooling]

I think the murderer had at least one accomplice. I think that is why D.M. saw the bushy eyebrowed, "clad in black" person pass by her and go out the back slider door, <modsnip - no link to statement of fact> These are just my thoughts, and I am open to all the possibilities and 50/50 on whether or not Bryan Kohberger was involved. His DNA on the sheath button snap is the most damning part to me, but also the most suspicious, as there are no other pieces of DNA/blood/sweat/fibers to link him to the murders that I know of.

If you look in the PCA at least one law enforcement officer took note of BKs bushy eye brows.

I’d probably categorize them as bushy too. He also IMO has a prominent brow-ridge which only pronounces it all.

If he was wearing a mask he likely had his nose and mouth covered. Which makes the brows even more pronounced IMO, as theirs nothing there to balance it out.

Just put your thumb over his nose and his mouth in any of his WA staff photos from around that time. Admittedly not very scientific lol.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

If you look in the PCA at least one law enforcement officer took note of BKs bushy eye brows.

I’d probably categorize them as bushy too. He also IMO has a prominent brow-ridge which only pronounces it all.

If he was wearing a mask he likely had his nose and mouth covered. Which makes the brows even more pronounced IMO, as theirs nothing there to balance it out.

Just put your thumb over his nose and his mouth in any of his WA staff photos from around that time. Admittedly not very scientific lol.

MOO

I've often wondered if it was a COVID type mask rather than a full fledged head covering mask? But then that might mean leaving a head hair or something at the scene.

moo

 

[donaldj]

Aren't sheaths supposed to be secured onto a belt around one's waist or body the same as a gun holster would be? It was a big knife and large sheath, hardly the sort of thing would fit inside a jacket pocket.

If he had the Dickies overalls on for quick removal afterward outside, probably no belt to secure it.

 

[Jurisprudence]

Anne Taylor in another case last year. This shows that it is normal for her to leave no stone unturned in her defense of death penalty defendants.

May 2, 2023

Attorney challenges death penalty, citing changes in Idaho law

May 2—Second District Judge Mark Monson granted a motion to challenge the death penalty for Richard Ross that cited Idaho's new law on firing squads as a method of execution as the reason for objection. Monson made the decision at a motion hearing Tuesday at the Nez Perce County Courthouse...

www.yahoo.com

Second District Judge Mark Monson granted a motion to challenge the death penalty for Richard Ross that cited Idaho's new law on firing squads as a method of execution as the reason for objection.

Monson made the decision at a motion hearing Tuesday at the Nez Perce County Courthouse, where attorneys appeared by Zoom, and also granted the release of property to Ross.

Richard Ross is facing the death penalty and a first-degree murder charge for the death of his former brother-in-law Michael Devin, and Devin's mother, Edwina "Eddy" Devin.

In the motion filed by Ross' attorney, public defender Anne Taylor, she requested that the court allow the challenge to the death penalty in addition to other challenges that have been filed.

He ended up pleading out taking DP off the table. I believe this is what Taylor's been after nearly the entire time with BK. She wants DP off the table and she probably thought she would have gotten them to offer it by now. But, since state has not moved off of this, she continues to file motions to try to find a hook. I don't think she's doing this with any hope that she's getting him off. I think it's to save his life. I would not be surprised if Kohberger never goes to trial either and instead enters a plea. Whether it will be an Alford plea is anyone's guess. If the families have a say I am guessing that won't fly with them. To me (only) it's seemed clear that Taylor's known for quite some time that this case is a problem. She's been on Plan B for a while. jmo

Ross takes Alford plea for double homicide

LEWISTON — Sentencing is set for early next year for Richard B. Ross, who is charged with the murders of Edwina and Michael Devin in 2021.

www.idahocountyfreepress.com

 

[Jurisprudence]

If he went back to King Rd or King Rd area at 9:15 in the morning it must have been because he wanted to see if there was a police presence. I imagine he was scouring the news wondering why nothing was coming up.

I think he would have known that 9:00am is too late to even think of going inside, just not realistic. On top of that you have a population dense neighborhood with a dozen people that could see you in broad daylight.

What I don't get is why didn't he try to go back for the sheath when he discovered it was missing? I believe he would have noticed it right away and it still would have been dark.

Makes me wonder if he saw DM and was afraid she was calling LE.

2 Cents

This is what I think too. It makes the most sense. He's all wired up probably listening to scans or news or whatever else he could not understanding why he's heard nothing about this so he got in his car and went to check it out. There was a break later too and I wondered (still do) if he then went to wherever he ditched the evidence to see if there was any police activity there. Of course there was none. But this is where I think he went.

Just my hunch.

 

[Jurisprudence]

If you look in the PCA at least one law enforcement officer took note of BKs bushy eye brows.

I’d probably categorize them as bushy too. He also IMO has a prominent brow-ridge which only pronounces it all.

If he was wearing a mask he likely had his nose and mouth covered. Which makes the brows even more pronounced IMO, as theirs nothing there to balance it out.

Just put your thumb over his nose and his mouth in any of his WA staff photos from around that time. Admittedly not very scientific lol.

MOO

And last time we saw him we noticed he already started to try to change the appearance of them.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

If he had the Dickies overalls on for quick removal afterward outside, probably no belt to secure it.

Cargo pockets? Those overalls are typically worn by workers. Lots of deep pockets.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

He ended up pleading out taking DP off the table. I believe this is what Taylor's been after nearly the entire time with BK. She wants DP off the table and she probably thought she would have gotten them to offer it by now. But, since state has not moved off of this, she continues to file motions to try to find a hook. I don't think she's doing this with any hope that she's getting him off. I think it's to save his life. I would not be surprised if Kohberger never goes to trial either and instead enters a plea. Whether it will be an Alford plea is anyone's guess. If the families have a say I am guessing that won't fly with them. To me (only) it's seemed clear that Taylor's known for quite some time that this case is a problem. She's been on Plan B for a while. jmo

Ross takes Alford plea for double homicide

LEWISTON — Sentencing is set for early next year for Richard B. Ross, who is charged with the murders of Edwina and Michael Devin in 2021.

www.idahocountyfreepress.com

Wow. I haven't heard this point of view before other than myself. I have mentioned that I believe a death penalty attorney's biggest job is to keep their client off of death row and the majority of the time this is done by the defendant agreeing to plead guilty in exchange for the death penalty being dropped.

From other death penalty trials I have followed it is my understanding that the way it works is that the prosecution keeps turning over evidence that the defense attorneys present to their client. Eventually the evidence becomes overwhelming and the defense attorney has to level with the client that the odds of acquittal are not in their favor.

And very specifically level with them that committing multiple murders means there is a high probability of getting a death sentence rather than LWOP.

The attorney then offers a way out - that they can offer the prosecution a deal. The deal is that their client will plead guilty in exchange for the DP to be dropped in favor of a fixed life sentence. In Idaho, LWOP is called a fixed life sentence.

Anne Taylor cannot reach out for a plea deal if Bryan is sitting there telling her he didn't do it. If the client says they are innocent when the evidence says otherwise, the attorney still has to do just what Anne Taylor is doing right now - leaving no stone unturned. Giving Bryan the best defense she can.

2 Cents

 

[girlhasnoname]

Wow. I haven't heard this point of view before other than myself. I have mentioned that I believe a death penalty attorney's biggest job is to keep their client off of death row and the majority of the time this is done by the defendant agreeing to plead guilty in exchange for the death penalty being dropped.

From other death penalty trials I have followed it is my understanding that the way it works is that the prosecution keeps turning over evidence that the defense attorneys present to their client. Eventually the evidence becomes overwhelming and the defense attorney has to level with the client that the odds of acquittal are not in their favor.

And very specifically level with them that committing multiple murders means there is a high probability of getting a death sentence rather than LWOP.

The attorney then offers a way out - that they can offer the prosecution a deal. The deal is that their client will plead guilty in exchange for the DP to be dropped in favor of a fixed life sentence. In Idaho, LWOP is called a fixed life sentence.

Anne Taylor cannot reach out for a plea deal if Bryan is sitting there telling her he didn't do it. If the client says they are innocent when the evidence says otherwise, the attorney still has to do just what Anne Taylor is doing right now - leaving no stone unturned. Giving Bryan the best defense she can.

2 Cents

I don't think the State will make a plea offer nor do I think BK would accept one. Strictly my opinion, although I do think AT is trying her best for BK.

BK loves a good game and I think he's willing to roll the dice at trial.

MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I wonder if BK proposes alternate theories to his defence team?

After all, if he didn't do it, who did? And since he's an 'innocent man' becoming precariously close to a DP sentence, who also happens to be an outstanding student of criminology, should he be solving this crime?

What with all the time he has on his hands and the inside info he's got that we wouldn't know about (prosecution evidence)?

 

[Cool Cats]

I don't think the State will make a plea offer nor do I think BK would accept one. Strictly my opinion, although I do think AT is trying her best for BK.

BK loves a good game and I think he's willing to roll the dice at trial.

MOO

(2 Cents not stating as fact)

The State actually may have already offered Bryan a plea deal but the public wouldn't know about this. If it has happened we don't know about it because I believe Bryan would have turned it down and insists he can't plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit. Nothing in his apartment or car, no connection to the victims and so forth.

Both defense and prosecution can reach out for a plea deal and I do not think Anne Taylor has reached out for a plea deal because I think Bryan tells her he didn't do it. I think he wants her to do everything she can, including trying to get the case dismissed.

Bottom line....I think there is not going to be a plea deal for Bryan simply because he says he is innocent and will not plead guilty.

Can you picture him standing up in court with the families in the gallery and admitting to the world that he killed 4 people plus is guilty of burglary? He would have to plead guilty 4 X's to 4 charges.