4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #92

[schooling]

They are going to take the multiple terabytes worth of video and seize upon every white car within a 100 mile radius of Moscow.

The bluriest will be where BK was.

MOO

 

[mickey2942]

This is interesting, and opens up the entire inquiry about using DNA to find a suspect. And the issue of "consent" to use DNA. Could this evidence be thrown out? And if it was, how would that affect the case against Kohberger?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/28/us/idaho-student-killings-genetic-genealogy/index.html

 

[Boxer]

This is interesting, and opens up the entire inquiry about using DNA to find a suspect. And the issue of "consent" to use DNA. Could this evidence be thrown out? And if it was, how would that affect the case against Kohberger?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/28/us/idaho-student-killings-genetic-genealogy/index.html

Hope not.

 

[mickey2942]

Hope not.

I think that this is interesting. I have never given my DNA to any entity. But my kids have, and who else in my family may have done it? I don't know. Did they give consent to allow their DNA to be used for forensic searches?

But, I definitely did not give any consent. So, it extends to my right to privacy. Just musings for Friday.

 

[Megnut]

I think that this is interesting. I have never given my DNA to any entity. But my kids have, and who else in my family may have done it? I don't know. Did they give consent to allow their DNA to be used for forensic searches?

But, I definitely did not give any consent. So, it extends to my right to privacy. Just musings for Friday.

If we use you as an example, supposing your kids opted in, you opted out, some of your cousins or theirs opted in, a family tree would emerge. Shared grandparentage. And they probably never submitted any DNA but they'd still have a place on the tree. As would you. As a placeholder. An X. For unknown (opted out). X for each grandparent, as unknown. But linked.

As more and more people submit DNA and opt in, family trees, family forests will leaf out. Opt out and you'll always be a X, you'll be on a branch though as an unknown parent to a known child.

At least that's how I understand it.

But consider that Defense's unanswerable ask -- they want access to everything. Proprietary and all the rest. The K family tree could well be comprised of dozens and dozens of first, second and third cousins who all may have opted in but don't need their names spattered all over motions and the media when they have zero relevance to the case.

The Defense is asking for information that IMO the State doesn't have! The testing site likely gave them results, not work product!

One last thing, since the birth of DNA analysis, there's been an explosion in access. Used to be only a medical or federal lab processed DNA, the FBI able to run DNA for matches against their data bank of collected DNA (criminals). But now we have private companies funded by trendy interest in personal ancestry. Faster track than government channels and a wider population than only criminals.

I can imagine a time in the very near future, as the forest gets filled in, that DNA is recovered from a crime scene, submitted to an opt-in agency, and the result is direct -- positive association to Johnny Walker of Walkstreet, Walkstate to the tune of octillions to one.

I think BK's attorney is blowing smoke. Pretending that there's something nefarious or mysterious about how DNA matches are made.

And only because the DNA evidence in this case is utterly devastating to the defense. She's gotta stop at nothing to try to get it thrown out.

JMO

 

[QB2022]

Its difficult as I think if you comit a heinous crime you forefit your right when it comes to DNA, as long as the middle man has consented to theirs being used.

 

[girlhasnoname]

With the State not including it in the PCA or planning to use it at trial the IGG really doesn't mean anything, he was a suspect before he ever headed home to PA. His vehicle type ownership with rear plate only, video surveillance (especially the 4 trips around the crime scene at the time of the murders), phone data, identification by the Witness, latent footprint all played a part of him becoming that suspect. That's just what we even know about, I can only imagine how much more the State has.

AT is knit picking and doing her best to stall and delay.

At the end of the day, it won't change anything. The State has their man, when he finally does go to trial I believe we'll be shocked by the evidence against him . He will serve LWOP (I don't think BT has asked for the DP) and people will eventually forget about BK and hopefully remember and celebrate the four beautiful, innocent, lives he took that day for whatever sick motivation he had in his head.

He'll do fine in prison, he's a loner. Maybe he'll become the prison 'go to guy' for help in legal matters because he does love to tell everyone how smart he is? IDK and IDC, I just want him to go away and be forgotten.

MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Hope not.

I definitely think there will be further legal definitions and decisions of the use of IGG by LE in the future.

It has exploded onto the scene, but the benefits we've already seen, in solving cold cases in particular, are nothing short of amazing.

It's the new DNA, but I do think there needs to be more defined rules going forward to insure that these types of situations don't happen.

moo

 

[schooling]

With the State not including it in the PCA or planning to use it at trial the IGG really doesn't mean anything, he was a suspect before he ever headed home to PA. His vehicle type ownership with rear plate only, video surveillance (especially the 4 trips around the crime scene at the time of the murders), phone data, identification by the Witness, latent footprint all played a part of him becoming that suspect. That's just what we even know about, I can only imagine how much more the State has.

AT is knit picking and doing her best to stall and delay.

At the end of the day, it won't change anything. The State has their man, when he finally does go to trial I believe we'll be shocked by the evidence against him . He will serve LWOP (I don't think BT has asked for the DP) and people will eventually forget about BK and hopefully remember and celebrate the four beautiful, innocent, lives he took that day for whatever sick motivation he had in his head.

He'll do fine in prison, he's a loner. Maybe he'll become the prison 'go to guy' for help in legal matters because he does love to tell everyone how smart he is? IDK and IDC, I just want him to go away and be forgotten.

MOO

Assuming he's convicted and sentenced to death, he'll spend at least the next 25-30 years in appeals. So the families might not have the closure that some of them are seeking for awhile.

 

[schooling]

I hope mods allows this to remain up. Especially since this case relies heavily on cellular data and many point to BKs "cyber certificate" as having been enough to prepare him to cover up this crime electronically.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/29/push-notification-surveillance-fbi/

Late last year Apple made changes to notifications and raised a lot of congressional eye brows doing so. Turns out Apple had discovered that the FBI had been exploiting notifications for years. Using them to surveil people. Yes, this impacts Android too.

By the time something like this is being taught in a cyber cloud certificate course... law enforcement will be on to the next secret thing.

 

[mickey2942]

I hope mods allows this to remain up. Especially since this case relies heavily on cellular data and many point to BKs "cyber certificate" as having been enough to prepare him to cover up this crime electronically.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/29/push-notification-surveillance-fbi/

Late last year Apple made changes to notifications and raised a lot of congressional eye brows doing so. Turns out Apple had discovered that the FBI had been exploiting notifications for years. Using them to surveil people. Yes, this impacts Android too.

By the time something like this is being taught in a cyber cloud certificate course... law enforcement will be on to the next secret thing.

Yes. Anyone who uses a cellphone, computer, credit card, even has an Apple watch, using Apple pay, is tracked. The amount of electronic data from devices is staggering.

Our car has a GPS in it, and, as we saw from a recent trial, a person was convicted, because of data retrieved from a black box in her car, that recorded her speed, whether or not she used the brake pedal, and it also automatically cut off the fuel pump in case of an accident, to prevent a fuel leak, and possible fire, but in her case, the car shutting down prevented her from leaving the scene of an accident.

More technology that we probably don't even know about is tracking us...

 

[girlhasnoname]

Assuming he's convicted and sentenced to death, he'll spend at least the next 25-30 years in appeals. So the families might not have the closure that some of them are seeking for awhile.

Sadly I don't believe families of murdered loved ones ever really receive closure. I think they eventually learn to live through it and with it, but never really over it. Nothing is going to bring their loved one home.

I'm sorry for all of the families involved.

MOO

 

[gremlin444]

Weird little thought that popped in my head after reading the CNN IGG article. Probably not likely, but raises a "hm, how would they deal with this" idea for LE/FBI.

So, let's say we have a close BK relative submit their DNA and click "yes" to allow it to be used by law enforcement. Whether it was 5 years ago or just in the year before the murders.

Now, the public doesn't know about the knife sheath with DNA and therefore the need to use IGG until the PCA. But since everyone in the media is speculating how the killer in that kind of violent multiple knife homicides must have left behind DNA, it would be safe for this BK relative to assume the police have DNA and are tracking it down.

Let's say it's one of his sisters, for example. Perhaps in the few months after the murders, they just start having suspicions that BK might be involved. Maybe it's just a feeling based on knowing his childhood and teenage behaviors mixed in with his proximity to the case...and the white Elantra. Maybe they even voiced their concerns about BK being the murderer to another family member and now feel bad about it. They begin to worry, maybe even telling themself it is irrational, that their DNA in the LE accessible database could help police link the crimes to BK. They don't know what to think about his guilt and feel awful for even thinking about it, so they go to the DNA database and change their setting to "opt-out." But it's too late-- the FBI has already used that info in building the tree links that connect to BK.

I wonder if the database keeps information/time stamps when a user switches their settings from opt-in to opt-out. Because if they don't, if the defense tries to recreate the IGG path or the FBI does and they find this close relative is now a closed link in the tree....how does the FBI prove that at the time they completed the original IGG family tree, that close relative was still opt-in and only changed their setting later? How do they prove that they didn't actually get that person's protected info through the sneaky means into the databases that the defense experts discussed as possibilities.

If this was at all a possibility, I could easily see one of BK's sisters wavering back and forth. And if that person told the defense that their settings were eventually opt-out, Anne Taylor would definitely look for ways to pursue that as a strategy.

Hopefully this is a just a far fetched hypothetical scenario my brain spat out and not even a tiny bit real.

 

[Idaho transplant]

Weird little thought that popped in my head after reading the CNN IGG article. Probably not likely, but raises a "hm, how would they deal with this" idea for LE/FBI.

So, let's say we have a close BK relative submit their DNA and click "yes" to allow it to be used by law enforcement. Whether it was 5 years ago or just in the year before the murders.

Now, the public doesn't know about the knife sheath with DNA and therefore the need to use IGG until the PCA. But since everyone in the media is speculating how the killer in that kind of violent multiple knife homicides must have left behind DNA, it would be safe for this BK relative to assume the police have DNA and are tracking it down.

Let's say it's one of his sisters, for example. Perhaps in the few months after the murders, they just start having suspicions that BK might be involved. Maybe it's just a feeling based on knowing his childhood and teenage behaviors mixed in with his proximity to the case...and the white Elantra. Maybe they even voiced their concerns about BK being the murderer to another family member and now feel bad about it. They begin to worry, maybe even telling themself it is irrational, that their DNA in the LE accessible database could help police link the crimes to BK. They don't know what to think about his guilt and feel awful for even thinking about it, so they go to the DNA database and change their setting to "opt-out." But it's too late-- the FBI has already used that info in building the tree links that connect to BK.

I wonder if the database keeps information/time stamps when a user switches their settings from opt-in to opt-out. Because if they don't, if the defense tries to recreate the IGG path or the FBI does and they find this close relative is now a closed link in the tree....how does the FBI prove that at the time they completed the original IGG family tree, that close relative was still opt-in and only changed their setting later? How do they prove that they didn't actually get that person's protected info through the sneaky means into the databases that the defense experts discussed as possibilities.

If this was at all a possibility, I could easily see one of BK's sisters wavering back and forth. And if that person told the defense that their settings were eventually opt-out, Anne Taylor would definitely look for ways to pursue that as a strategy.

Hopefully this is a just a far fetched hypothetical scenario my brain spat out and not even a tiny bit real.

I'm not sure much of anything is 'far fetched' in this case. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait for another year (unless further delayed) to find out. It is telling that it was reported that one of his sisters was reported to confide in someone that she thought BK could be involved. Which is why the family supposedly searched his car when he returned to PA. Makes one wonder what kind of relationship he had with his family.

Anyone could have siblings with a troubled past growing up who even now drives the specific car being hunted but to
suspect them of such a heinous crime would require quite a stretch. The family has kept very quiet over the past year.

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

Statement from Kaylee Goncalves and Xana Kernodles’ families.They are frustrated no trial date has been set for Bryan Kohberger.“We want to start healing, we do, we want to find justice and try to move on from this horrible tragedy…”


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[QB2022]

I can't imagine how devastated they would all be if he did get off due to a mistake being made though

 

[mickey2942]

I can't imagine how devastated they would all be if he did get off due to a mistake being made though

At least he is in jail, where he belongs. That should be a bit better. He is not wandering around free.

 

[snooptroop88]

With the State not including it in the PCA or planning to use it at trial the IGG really doesn't mean anything, he was a suspect before he ever headed home to PA. His vehicle type ownership with rear plate only, video surveillance (especially the 4 trips around the crime scene at the time of the murders), phone data, identification by the Witness, latent footprint all played a part of him becoming that suspect. That's just what we even know about, I can only imagine how much more the State has.

AT is knit picking and doing her best to stall and delay.

At the end of the day, it won't change anything. The State has their man, when he finally does go to trial I believe we'll be shocked by the evidence against him . He will serve LWOP (I don't think BT has asked for the DP) and people will eventually forget about BK and hopefully remember and celebrate the four beautiful, innocent, lives he took that day for whatever sick motivation he had in his head.

He'll do fine in prison, he's a loner. Maybe he'll become the prison 'go to guy' for help in legal matters because he does love to tell everyone how smart he is? IDK and IDC, I just want him to go away and be forgotten.

MOO

Agreed. I think defense is going to try to push this as some big "conspiracy" to "get" BK. But he "got" himself. If the defense wants to produce something that creates legitimate doubt, I will surely keep an open mind and listen, but the idea of someone "out to get" BK-- no.

 

[katydid23]

I really don't like the sounds of where this thing is headed-----making it seem like this defense team HOPES to outlaw IGG being used in murder cases in the future.

Do we really want that for our futures? Do we want to nullify one of the most efficient and successful ways to catch killers in cold cases from now on?

We wouldn't want the Golden State Killer to be arrested? Or any of the dozens of other serial killers that were identified through IGG?

Is it better for our future world if we outlaw the ability to identify killers/rapists from the killer's family tree data?

Does that killer have the 'right to privacy' to prevent us from identifying him through the sperm he left behind?

 

[Chloegirl]

Idaho victim's families: 'Quit playing the delay game' | Banfield

A hearing was held Wednesday for Bryan Kohberger, the man accused of killing four University of Idaho students, but no trial date was set. Steve Goncalves, the father of University of Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves, joins "Banfield' to discuss his frustrations. #IdahoKillings #IdahoFour #Banfield

www.newsnationnow.com

KG's family responding to delays.