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4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96
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Hey, let's just throw the whole case out-- don't make me laugh out loud
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Well, well, well. BK wants his Amazon history tossed.
That answers that question for me. Thank you, AT, now we can be certain it has value.
And then cometh what AT calls the "unconstitutional IGG". Here she goes big, she wants everything which resulted from that also to be excised. <--- she chooses that verb. I myself wouldn't, considering all the victims died by knife but then again, I'm not AT; she's the one asking the judge to toss the State's entire case.
It's remarkable too that alongside her 1900th Motion for discovery and her 11th hour Motion to extend the deadline, she simultaneously whines that she hasn't been able to review all of the available discovery... so which is it? The State hasn't turned stuff over, or you haven't found it all yet?
Ah, but let's go back to Amazon for a moment. The Walmart of the sky. Is there a single one of us that holds out, believing -- if we were suspected of a murder with probable cause secured -- that our shopping history isn't going to be Fair Game?
What pray tell did Mr. BK shop for, cart up and buy from Amazon that his attorney should want for history to be wiped clear?
Interesting.
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Motion to Suppress Apartment
Another phrase I wouldn't use, her reference and umbrage over BK's arrest inside his parents' home (and not while, say, out for a middle of the night run) -- her words: dead of night.
Chilling, considering.
Again, she wants entities thrown out. Cites the arrest warrant as reckless, IGG unconstitutional, and his car and eyebrows immaterial.
Your Honor, can you please strike all of the State's evidence against my client? Because reasons.
Alrighty then.
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Respectfully, when the State lays out the digital evidence, car and phone combined, his pre-murders stalking surveillance included, plus the damning 99.99% DNA match and BK's, IMO, ridiculous alibi (would have been better to not give an alibi, MO) as to why his car was out and about that early morning...it's not looking good for BK, MO. His lawyers have been relentlessly papering the State/judge about the DP, rightly so because it's not looking good for their client. LE got the right man, the cold-blooded killer of four college students. AJMO
Oh yes. Haven't read it yet but saw the suppression motion for Amazon. This is good news. Feel that speculation about a certain purchase is on more solid ground than previously. I believe state probably has a record of BK's purchase of a large KBar knife. If it turns out to be so, that will be another piece of damning evidence. Jmo
Would love any legal eagles to chime in on the chances of this suppression motion succeeding. As layperson it seems ridiculous to suppose that might happen. Moo
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My guess on his possible Amazon cart contents/purchases:
Large k-bar knife with sheath;
PPE like face masks and bodysuit;
possibly night vision goggles;
nitrile gloves;
and Ziplocks (for sorting trash).
MOO.
Every defendant should be afforded defence attorneys like these, she is questioning everything that was done by LE, most defendants do not get even close to the work that is being done on behalf of Kohberger,
I for one am really pleased to see them arguing over the phone SW, defence attorneys and the courts are finally waking up to how broad a search of any device LE has been doing, and the courts are beginning to legislate against such broad SW to make LE specify what they wish to search for, the judge signing off on the warrant can then decide if this is acceptable or if they need to make changes to SW,
I wonder how many suppressions will be successful, what I think she is also doing with all her motions is saying to the state I am checking all your work and when we get to trial I will be making sure that all kohbergers constitutional rights are protected, ok
I for one am really pleased to see them arguing over the phone SW, defence attorneys and the courts are finally waking up to how broad a search of any device LE has been doing, and the courts are beginning to legislate against such broad SW to make LE specify what they wish to search for, the judge signing off on the warrant can then decide if this is acceptable or if they need to make changes to SW,
I wonder how many suppressions will be successful, what I think she is also doing with all her motions is saying to the state I am checking all your work and when we get to trial I will be making sure that all kohbergers constitutional rights are protected, ok
She is going after the genetic genealogy as being the poison tree, from which all the other evidence is the fruit from that tree, so everything from his phone and the data on that, to the SW at his parents and his campus home, to the data relating to his car and cell tower evidence,
She has made individual challenges for each piece of evidence as her argument is it all comes from the genetic genealogy work that was done which she argued is unconstitutional, which is why she kept asking the court to make the state give her all the information and evidence they have relating to GG
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I know she's doing her a job, a formidable (and despicable) job, but I find it personally hard to stomach.
I also know justice isn't about the victims, the crime is against the State and it's about BK's rights and what is required in order to strip them away.
Still, I find it a bitter pill that AT is arguing about an arrest in the dead of night, arguing to excise evidence (in a quadruple slaying) and that, as a guest (in hisparents' childhood home), BK should have been afforded the expectation of privacy.
That's gross to me. None of those things were a concern of his that early November morning in 2022.
Four victims who had the right to sleep through the dead of night and wake up in the morning. Three renters and a guest who had the expectation of privacy. That closing the door would protect them from unwelcome intrusion.
AT seems to think LE should have tapped BK on one of his dark-thirty runs, but never minding that we don't know how such a thing would have gone down, LE has some experience. There's a reason they do 3am arrests, catch individuals unaware.
Same reason BK chose his bewitching hour, just with profoundly more deadly results.
We will likely never know his intention. SA? Murder? Mass murder? All of the above?
As we watch his trial take shape, I find myself keenly aware of the inconcruity here -- his rights, defended rigorously (I know, as it should be) when he didn't care about theirs in the least.
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I also know justice isn't about the victims, the crime is against the State and it's about BK's rights and what is required in order to strip them away.
Still, I find it a bitter pill that AT is arguing about an arrest in the dead of night, arguing to excise evidence (in a quadruple slaying) and that, as a guest (in his
That's gross to me. None of those things were a concern of his that early November morning in 2022.
Four victims who had the right to sleep through the dead of night and wake up in the morning. Three renters and a guest who had the expectation of privacy. That closing the door would protect them from unwelcome intrusion.
AT seems to think LE should have tapped BK on one of his dark-thirty runs, but never minding that we don't know how such a thing would have gone down, LE has some experience. There's a reason they do 3am arrests, catch individuals unaware.
Same reason BK chose his bewitching hour, just with profoundly more deadly results.
We will likely never know his intention. SA? Murder? Mass murder? All of the above?
As we watch his trial take shape, I find myself keenly aware of the inconcruity here -- his rights, defended rigorously (I know, as it should be) when he didn't care about theirs in the least.
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Which is of course silly. Genetic genealogy has helped solved hundreds of crimes, which means there is more than enough precedent here. Most of them have been cold cases, but this one obviously called for investigators to pull out all the stops. Just incredible work here.
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Do you see a path there? Genetic Genealogy is to 2025 what DNA testing was to 1995. It's likely to feature in every investigation where there's a DNA profile to be had and an unnamed suspect.
If all the DNA in the test pool is voluntarily submitted, where's the Constitutional issue?
Would she rather they obtained the proverbial pizza crust or cigarette butt? No doubt she's argue that approach too.
I'm just not sure I see an unconstitutional case to made here... that it's too exacting?
She's argued previously, wanting to see IGG's work, but she has to know that that's pretty much impossible.
It's a curious argument because if the Judge allows IGG, the whole rest of her argument falls with it.
Here's my confusion. A male profile was developed from the sheath, surely it was put through CODIS. Without a match. Because BK isn't in the database. Isn't IGG's basically CODIS for non-criminals? BK wasn't in that database either but it returned some near matches which spit out a surname...
Ah, but even if you ignore IGG, LE was conducting the investigation on a parallel track and was looking for the pizza butt to test the old-fashioned way. And might have made an exact match if not for BK's peculiar baggie fetish. Yet, as it was, they got awful close, the half-match to his father.
For me, it seems obvious -- LE was investigating BK, angling toward arrest. They didn't have or need a 1:1 statistical to get there.
IIRC that arrest warrant specifally claused out DNA, asked the signing judge not to consider the DNA as basis for probable cause but rather the totality of the other evidence.
AT seems to be making a roundabout argument that LE rushed to judgment as if BK is some unlucky patsy with no ties to the crime. By diminishing those ties. He wasn't in Moscow (well, his phone wasn't), lots of people have white cars. Distinctive eyebrows aren't absolute identification. Etc, etc.
Uphill battle.
In the time it took me to write all that, I see @MassGuy said it better, faster.
So, yep, what he said.
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Very Interesting !!
Must be something purchased from Amazon that will not look good for BK
So yep, let's just toss that one out also.
JMO
Probably the same thing ABC (or was it NBC’s dateline?) reported to us last year. A receipt to the knife.
I mean, one quick look at the timeline will tell you that they likely have it. IMO.
I think a lot of people misinterpreted the second set of Amazon search warrants as being a continued search for the knife but I think that’s wrong.
Let’s look at the timeline again:
A warrant goes out to the manufacturer. Then one to a distributor, Blue Ridge asking about specific batches. A bevy of warrants go out to retailers, including Amazon…
Then by all appearances the search for the source of the knife stops…(imo)
I think it stopped because they got what they were looking for from Amazon.
Then a year later LE wants to see items that were inside of his cart that may not have been purchased. And they give specific dates. The 2nd set of dates are obviously looking to see whether Kohlberger had supplies that could be used to commit the murders. IMO
The first set of dates line up exactly with what was reported by ABC/NBC. That Kohlberger received the knife “in early April”.
I believe that LE suspects that Kohlberger bought the knife at the end of March (with an April 1 or 2 delivery) with the express purpose of committing the murders. And he may have had more in his cart that demonstrate intent but was never purchased. JMo
All MOO. Sorry for the run on sentence. Easy reading is hard writing and I’m short on time!
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Jean Casarez Attorney and CNN correspondent said on "The Idaho College Murders" from 2023 (showing on Investigation Discovery and HBO MAX channels) that the DNA linking BK to the sheath found at the murders scene matches 99.99%. The Guardian also has stated that DNA match as 99.9998%. How much more definitive can it be? If BK's online searches and purchases show that certain items were purchased by BK, that makes the DNA match even more conclusive.
Add to that BK's late surveillance of the murders house well before and on the day after the murders, pretty damning. Then a white Elantra's, with no front license plate, activities from his home (phone and cam evidence) to right outside and around the immediate area of the murders house in the early morning hours of the murders, well that's quite overwhelming. AJMO
He was just out star watching?
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Add to that BK's late surveillance of the murders house well before and on the day after the murders, pretty damning. Then a white Elantra's, with no front license plate, activities from his home (phone and cam evidence) to right outside and around the immediate area of the murders house in the early morning hours of the murders, well that's quite overwhelming. AJMO
He was just out star watching?
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Bryan Kohberger bought a Ka-Bar knife and knife sheath from Amazon seven months before he allegedly stabbed four University of Idaho students to death in a brutal attack that sent shockwaves across America, it has been revealed.
NBC’s Dateline special “The Killings on King Road” reported that the 28-year-old accused killer shopped online for the military-style knife in April 2022.
At the time, he was still studying for his master’s degree in criminology at DeSales University in Pennsylvania.
He graduated from the university that June and then relocated across the country to Pullman, Washington, where he began a graduate program in criminal justice at Washington State University.
The report indicates that Mr Kohberger took the knife with him when he moved.
Former FBI profiler Greg Cooper told Dateline that the knife purchase coming months before the murders indicates that the suspect “had a fantasy of thinking about committing crimes for a long time with that knife” prior to the moment he allegedly used it.
Bryan Kohberger bought Ka-Bar knife from Amazon months before murders
Accused killer to appear in court for arraignment on four counts of first-degree murder and burglary
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I'll have to watch this episode again...
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