4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96

[AcousticViper]

BK is known to be a runner and has been running since high school. In fact his alibi says he often went to parks to run at night which is consistent to what he did when he lived in the Poconos with his parents. He has a friend there who used to run with him at night who describes this in the article below

Night running takes part in the latter part of the day, during evening time, not at 3:00 AM. Studies recommend night runners give 60-90 minutes for downtime after your night run, before retiring to bed, in preparation for the next working day. There are legitimate late night activities and then there is Bryan Kohberger.

 

[jepop]

Night running takes part in the latter part of the day, during evening time, not at 3:00 AM. Studies recommend night runners give 60-90 minutes for downtime after your night run, before retiring to bed, in preparation for the next working day. There are legitimate late night activities and then there is Bryan Kohberger.

Yeah agrée, just like there are alibis, then there is Kogberger's (so called) 'alibi'. One thing I'm looking forward to with Judge Hippler is how he will address the albi issue which seemed to fall by the wayside after the last objection by the P. Moo

 

[Kemug]

I have very deep-set eyes, probably courtesy of my Portuguese ancestor. My eyebrows would be quite bushy if I allowed them to be. One advantage is that people think "I look intelligent"! Now I'm hoping they don't think I look like a murderer!

 

[Balthazar]

Night running takes part in the latter part of the day, during evening time, not at 3:00 AM. Studies recommend night runners give 60-90 minutes for downtime after your night run, before retiring to bed, in preparation for the next working day. There are legitimate late night activities and then there is Bryan Kohberger.

There are many people who exercise in the wee hours of the morning. For many, there is no other option since they work until midnight or later.

 

[PinkParis2052]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed for no link>

The blood in the print shows the killer walking by her door as she stated. Her description is not coincidenal nonsense. Her description helped identify him through his driver's license.

This is about far more than simply debating eyebrows. Forget eyebrows.

He has a very prominent bony eye ridge....it is there, period. A white male his height and build, not a woman, a man fitting his description. Juries must look at what is most reasonable. It is actually reasonable that DM saw BK. Take it or leave it, jury decides.

2 Cents

it was a latent shoe print that was discovered on the second processing of the crime scene

"A latent print is one that is not readily visible to the naked eye. "

screenshot from the PCA.


edited to add: what I don't understand why call it latent shoe print if it was tested for blood first and then amino black, I would think that the amino black was used to find the latent shoe print and then the presumptive blood test was done on it. but I don't know much about how they process crime scenes. so... I can't wait for the trial.

 

[Balthazar]

This isn't the first time that the prosecution hasn't cross examine a witness(es) for the defense in a hearing, this happened when Sy Ray was on the witness stand on May 30, 2024 and when the defense had 4 different kinds of experts about the DNA and IGG discovery request on Aug 18, 2023.

If look at the ORDER GOVERNING COURTROOM CONDUCT filed by the judge on Sept 18, 2024, Bill and Ashley's name were listed on it. I'm assuming that they will attend the hearing via zoom. I heard that Jeffrey Nye and Ingrid Batey names were used at a person of contact and that the public shouldn't read anything into the fact that Bill and Ashley's names weren't listed on the Notice of Hearing filed by the Judge on Sept 19, 2024.

If the prosecution was changing there would be no need to include Bill and Ashley on the distribution of that document, so since they were included on it, I think that it's safe to assume for the time being that they are still on the case. IMO.

View attachment 532866

Yes, I saw them listed on the document for the 18th, but not on the document for the 19th. So, I went back through all the similar documents and they either had BT's name or his office email listed consistently in every single case. So the document from the 19th IS different from all of the previous documents. And I still have to wonder what is different between the document for the 18th and the document for the 19th that BT was not included on the document from the 19th?

 

[GRT]

There are many people who exercise in the wee hours of the morning. For many, there is no other option since they work until midnight or later.

My daughter, who is in law enforcement, works the second shift. She gets off work at midnight and goes for a run for around an hour before going home, showering, and then retiring. The only requirement is that she has lights of some sort for running, so she typically runs at a large park or at a college track they keep lit all night. I don't think there is any specific time limit involved in night running.

 

[PinkParis2052]

Yes, I saw them listed on the document for the 18th, but not on the document for the 19th. So, I went back through all the similar documents and they either had BT's name or his office email listed consistently in every single case. So the document from the 19th IS different from all of the previous documents. And I still have to wonder what is different between the document for the 18th and the document for the 19th that BT was not included on the document from the 19th?

Look at the part of the document where is says
"All parties and counsel are required to be present" with a X on the inside of the box and then look boxes to the right side of by Anne and Elissa's name and by Batey and Nye's names so those people have to be there in person so I'm guessing based on that, that Bill Thompson and Ashley may be possibly be joining the hearing via Zoom, IMO since they are included on the courtroom conduct document. IMO.

 

[Balthazar]

Look at the part of the document where is says
"All parties and counsel are required to be present" with a X inside the box and look by Anne and Elissa's name and Batey and Nye"names so they have to be there in person so I'm guessing based on that Bill Thompson and Ashley may be possibly be joining the hearing via Zoom, IMO.

Could be. IMO, it is grossly inappropriate for prosecutors to participate by Zoom, but yes, it could be.

 

[Swansee]

On the matter of BT/ AJ or Ingrid Batey and Jeff Nye : I believe the Latah team remain on the case "on paper" but it would make sense to me that they would leave the actual work to IB and JN, for several reasons.
Firstly, for practical reasons, since IB and JN are already based in Boise. But also IMO because they recognize that IB and JN have what it takes. This is an important case the Prosecution really want to win, so IMO they're leaving ego aside and passing it over to people who have a better chance of winning.
I don't mean this as a diss to BT, but honestly, he is not used to anything like this case, and didn't appear to efficiently counter the defense in several recent hearings. Ingrid Batey is used to prosecuting murders, and high profile ones at that. She and Jeff Nye will make for much tougher opponents against Anne Taylor and Eliza Massoth.
IMO the level of this whole trial has just been raised, with a better judge, better venue and now a better prosecution team. I'm glad that, for now at least, we'll get to watch it live as it all plays out.
One more thought:
remember the Gonçalves family has reserved the right to sue the city of Moscow if something goes wrong or is "handled improperly". By passing the hot potato over to Boise, I wonder if the Moscow team can shift the blame to their Boise counterparts in case the Gonçalves try to act on those tort claims one day.
All MOO...
Looking forward to Thursday's hearing!

 

[PinkParis2052]

On the matter of BT/ AJ or Ingrid Batey and Jeff Nye : I believe the Latah team remain on the case "on paper" but it would make sense to me that they would leave the actual work to IB and JN, for several reasons.
Firstly, for practical reasons, since IB and JN are already based in Boise. But also IMO because they recognize that IB and JN have what it takes. This is an important case the Prosecution really want to win, so IMO they're leaving ego aside and passing it over to people who have a better chance of winning.
I don't mean this as a diss to BT, but honestly, he is not used to anything like this case, and didn't appear to efficiently counter the defense in several recent hearings. Ingrid Batey is used to prosecuting murders, and high profile ones at that. She and Jeff Nye will make for much tougher opponents against Anne Taylor and Eliza Massoth.
IMO the level of this whole trial has just been raised, with a better judge, better venue and now a better prosecution team. I'm glad that, for now at least, we'll get to watch it live as it all plays out.
One more thought:
remember the Gonçalves family has reserved the right to sue the city of Moscow if something goes wrong or is "handled improperly". By passing the hot potato over to Boise, I wonder if the Moscow team can shift the blame to their Boise counterparts in case the Gonçalves try to act on those tort claims one day.
All MOO...
Looking forward to Thursday's hearing!

Yeah I remember that the Goncalves and Mogen Family reserved their right to City the Moscow and some others entities if something goes wrong or if it's handled improperly. I don't think that the hot potato could be passed over to the Boise counterparts since they are there to assist Latah County Prosecution. I think that if the Goncalves and Mogen Family do up filing their tort claim that they would add IB and JN to the list of people included in the lawsuit and BT and AJ wouldn't be off the hook, imo, they would still be included. IMO.

 

[gremlin444]

MOTION FOR DEFENDANT TO WEAR STREET CLOTHING TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/092024-Motion-Defendant-Wear-Street-Clothing.pdf

"

Potential jurors are exposed to every hearing. Mr. Kohberger, having been recently granted a change of venue due to the ongoing, vast, and prejudicial pretrial publicity, recognizes the continued media coverage may impact his right to a fair impartial jury.

During the short time between Mr. Kohberger’s transport to Ada County and the drafting of this motion Mr. Kohberger’s defense team is aware of at least 900 media stories, many of which have focused on Mr. Kohberger’s recent booking photo depicting facial hair...Much of the media coverage and social media posts focus on Mr. Kohberger’s appearance.

 

[Megnut]

MOTION FOR DEFENDANT TO WEAR STREET CLOTHING TO ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/isc.coi/CR01-24-31665/2024/092024-Motion-Defendant-Wear-Street-Clothing.pdf

"

Seriously, AT? Who do you have mining the internets for you?

She's right. We're too focused on his facial hair. I forgot about his good grades in grammar school and that he apparently once had a dog.

But now that I've called that to mind, I'm all done personalizing the impersonal defendant.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

it was a latent shoe print that was discovered on the second processing of the crime scene

"A latent print is one that is not readily visible to the naked eye. "

screenshot from the PCA.
View attachment 533000

edited to add: what I don't understand why call it latent shoe print if it was tested for blood first and then amino black, I would think that the amino black was used to find the latent shoe print and then the presumptive blood test was done on it. but I don't know much about how they process crime scenes. so... I can't wait for the trial.

Amido black is used to make the print visible for photography. It reacts to the proteins in blood, so testing that it's blood first makes sense.

Here's a video of someone using it in a forensic lab to develop a footprint.

 

[arielilane]

Kohberger was recently booked into the Ada County Jail after the trial was moved to Boise.The first hearing in Ada County will occur on Thursday, Sept. 26, at 2 p.m. A court-provided livestream will be available through Judge John Judge's YouTube channel.

Bryan Kohberger files motion to wear street clothes at trial

Kohberger was recently booked into the Ada County Jail after the trial was moved to Boise.

idahonews.com

 

[arielilane]

State of Idaho v. Bryan C. Kohberger​

Ada County CR01-24-31665 / Latah County CR29-22-2805

Case Summary (Updated 09/23/24)

• 09/19/2024 Notice of Hearing
• 09/20/2024 Request to Obtain Approval to Video/Audio Record
• 09/20/2024 Order on Request to Obtain Approval to Video/Audio Record
• 09/20/2024 Motion for Defendant to Wear Street Clothing to All Public Hearings

Idaho Judicial Cases of Interest

 

[arielilane]

@BrianEntin

1/2 On my way to Boise, Idaho for the Bryan Kohberger hearing Thursday in front of the new judge. His lawyers are requesting he get to wear "street clothing" -- claiming the jail jumpsuit "would impact the presumption of innocence."


2/2 His lawyers are arguing if potential jurors see him in the jumpsuit on the video feed- they will assume he is guilty. Kaylee Goncalves' family says this is a "hard no" for them. They understand he'll get to wear a suit during the trial, but don't think he should wear one now.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838621777213128918

 

[arielilane]

The Goncalves family, who have not missed a single court appearance since the brutal quadruple murder shocked the nation, are now facing a daunting financial hurdle.

Kohberger's defense team successfully pushed to move the trial from Latah County to Ada County, claiming their client couldn't receive a fair trial in the original jurisdiction.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838627174208639243

 

[Vaderman]

The Goncalves family, who have not missed a single court appearance since the brutal quadruple murder shocked the nation, are now facing a daunting financial hurdle.

Kohberger's defense team successfully pushed to move the trial from Latah County to Ada County, claiming their client couldn't receive a fair trial in the original jurisdiction.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1838627174208639243

I just read that article before coming over here. This seems...excessive.

 

[Sundog]

I just read that article before coming over here. This seems...excessive.

I guess if there are people who want to support them then they may be able to move to Boise for three months. If they can't raise the money they want for 10 family members and pets to move there, then maybe there will be enough for the immediate family to move there for the duration of the trial and other family members can take care of the pets. I imagine they will go back and forth from Boise to Moscow for holidays and days when court is not in session.