4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #96

[Deleted member 296739]

I agree. I lean towards him targeting MM, I believe he planned to rape her, and likely murder her and I don't think he expected KG to be at the house, let alone in the room.
That's why I think KG injuries were allegedly worse, he was angry that she ruined his carefully made plan, and then Xana and Ethan were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That's all just my theory though. Could be completely barking up the wrong tree, and I doubt we'll ever really know.

I don’t know if we will ever know … but that’s my line of thinking… and not that he was an unknown serial killer who just slipped up and got caught on this one …could be totally wrong..,moo

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I also agree that BK probably never intended to go in that house to kill multiple people and I do also think he was probably targeting one person for 'something'. So in a way, if that's true, he is in quite a unique situation of going from possibly zero previous serious crimes to this extreme and brutal crime in the space of one day. However, I suspect there'd be many previous women reporting strange, creepy, or dominant behaviour long before. It seems astonishing to think there wouldn't be. JMO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I also agree that BK probably never intended to go in that house to kill multiple people and I do also think he was probably targeting one person for 'something'. So in a way, if that's true, he is in quite a unique situation of going from possibly zero previous serious crimes to this extreme and brutal crime in the space of one day. However, I suspect there'd be many previous women reporting strange, creepy, or dominant behaviour long before. It seems astonishing to think there wouldn't be. JMO

I can see him going in with a well planned “something” bad that suddenly went awry and then went into a chaotic rage and then panic and cover up mode- if he is the perpetrator, I have to assume that detailed planning was involved to be able to get in and out and dispose of evidence effectively- however, if total annihilation was the goal, I’d have to also assume he would have swept the rooms and sought to eliminate the other roommates- moo - I really don’t know…

 

[Sundog]

While a criminology student at DeSales University, BK studied with Professor Katherine Ramsland, an expert on serial killers. It's possible he became obsessed with what he was studying and wanted to be the next famous serial killer.

 

[acutename]

Motion to Suppress Apartment

Another phrase I wouldn't use, her reference and umbrage over BK's arrest inside his parents' home (and not while, say, out for a middle of the night run) -- her words: dead of night.

Chilling, considering.

Again, she wants entities thrown out. Cites the arrest warrant as reckless, IGG unconstitutional, and his car and eyebrows immaterial.

Your Honor, can you please strike all of the State's evidence against my client? Because reasons.

Alrighty then.

JMO

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

I agree. I lean towards him targeting MM, I believe he planned to rape her, and likely murder her and I don't think he expected KG to be at the house, let alone in the room.
That's why I think KG injuries were allegedly worse, he was angry that she ruined his carefully made plan, and then Xana and Ethan were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
That's all just my theory though. Could be completely barking up the wrong tree, and I doubt we'll ever really know.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

From the back he might have only seen the upstairs lights and not seen the door dash delivery on the ground floor- maybe? I don’t know- cars were parked by the ground level I think and he was at the front where the middle level was- I think?? moo

 

[windrower]

I think BK knew who the one or more of the girls were, but I don’t think they had any idea about him.

I think BK had a “connection” to one or more of the girls, but none of them did to him.

Yes, I know the stalking/not stalking conversations.

I’m talking in a not-social-media way.

Here’s my question. If I were to physically follow and watch Someone—while walking, in a car, from a distance, etc.—if I never tell anyone I’ve done so, and Someone doesn’t know, how would anyone know?

Wouldn’t LE have to find video surveillance of Someone and then see if I was in the same locations as Someone?

Wouldn’t LE have to see from phone records where Someone was, and then see from phone records if I was in the vicinity?

I don’t understand how a blanket statement of “there is no connection between BK and the murdered kids” can be made, I guess.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

Maybe it's true what they say about the pathology of the rare type of being that is a human predator - that they are missing bits of the brain development needed for empathy and also don't seem to suffer much from regular amounts of anxiety, self-awareness, or a conscience? Predators fix on things and home in on them, getting psychological tunnel vision, going in for the thing, ignoring everything else including possible problems? Also, did he crank himself up on some form of substance?

I also have a side-theory that if he was suicidal, he literally didn't care, although notable he didn't subsequently take his own life. JMO MOO

 

[LinasK]

I think BK knew who the one or more of the girls were, but I don’t think they had any idea about him.

I think BK had a “connection” to one or more of the girls, but none of them did to him.

Yes, I know the stalking/not stalking conversations.

I’m talking in a not-social-media way.

Here’s my question. If I were to physically follow and watch Someone—while walking, in a car, from a distance, etc.—if I never tell anyone I’ve done so, and Someone doesn’t know, how would anyone know?

Wouldn’t LE have to find video surveillance of Someone and then see if I was in the same locations as Someone?

Wouldn’t LE have to see from phone records where Someone was, and then see from phone records if I was in the vicinity?

I don’t understand how a blanket statement of “there is no connection between BK and the murdered kids” can be made, I guess.

I think so too, and I still have personal reason to believe that he was stalking one of the girls. The other 3 victims were "collateral damage" to him, IMO.

 

[whiterhino]

I think BK knew who the one or more of the girls were, but I don’t think they had any idea about him.

I think BK had a “connection” to one or more of the girls, but none of them did to him.

Yes, I know the stalking/not stalking conversations.

I’m talking in a not-social-media way.

Here’s my question. If I were to physically follow and watch Someone—while walking, in a car, from a distance, etc.—if I never tell anyone I’ve done so, and Someone doesn’t know, how would anyone know?

Wouldn’t LE have to find video surveillance of Someone and then see if I was in the same locations as Someone?

Wouldn’t LE have to see from phone records where Someone was, and then see from phone records if I was in the vicinity?

I don’t understand how a blanket statement of “there is no connection between BK and the murdered kids” can be made, I guess.

JMHO when LE talk about stalking I think they mean there was no indication or evidence of harassment. No contact, no complaints, no reports, no "digital paper trail" online etc.

But personally I've always wondered if there wasn't some amount of watching going on. Otherwise, why that house? Hard to believe it was chosen randomly that night, unplanned and on a whim (so to speak). MOO.

 

[detectivewannab]

I also agree that BK probably never intended to go in that house to kill multiple people and I do also think he was probably targeting one person for 'something'. So in a way, if that's true, he is in quite a unique situation of going from possibly zero previous serious crimes to this extreme and brutal crime in the space of one day. However, I suspect there'd be many previous women reporting strange, creepy, or dominant behaviour long before. It seems astonishing to think there wouldn't be. JMO

I think he was obsessed by killers and watching people that he felt were nieve to their surroundings. Over time it all became real to him. It's very interesting with all his schooling and research he made mistake that are going to get him convicted.

 

[sunshineray]

I don’t know if we will ever know … but that’s my line of thinking… and not that he was an unknown serial killer who just slipped up and got caught on this one …could be totally wrong..,moo

Well we do know that he drove by the house, IIRC 12 times, in the wee hours, in the months before the murders. That sounds like the same type surveillance he did the night of the murders. I also believe he tracked MM on SM. But he had a fixation on that house, IMO.

 

[sunshineray]

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

He started out to do his killings with his phone on, then turned it off while already out in his car. He then drove his car to the crime scene that was jam-pack full of people and had security cams...circling/making a loop what 4 times? He left a knife sheath with his DNA on it next to a victim

I think he's not that clever, just a legend in his own mind. AJMO

 

[Boxer]

Well, well, well. BK wants his Amazon history tossed.

That answers that question for me. Thank you, AT, now we can be certain it has value.

And then cometh what AT calls the "unconstitutional IGG". Here she goes big, she wants everything which resulted from that also to be excised. <--- she chooses that verb. I myself wouldn't, considering all the victims died by knife but then again, I'm not AT; she's the one asking the judge to toss the State's entire case.

It's remarkable too that alongside her 1900th Motion for discovery and her 11th hour Motion to extend the deadline, she simultaneously whines that she hasn't been able to review all of the available discovery... so which is it? The State hasn't turned stuff over, or you haven't found it all yet?

Ah, but let's go back to Amazon for a moment. The Walmart of the sky. Is there a single one of us that holds out, believing -- if we were suspected of a murder with probable cause secured -- that our shopping history isn't going to be Fair Game?

What pray tell did Mr. BK shop for, cart up and buy from Amazon that his attorney should want for history to be wiped clear?

Interesting.

JMO

Absolutely. Zow.

 

[Boxer]

Well we do know that he drove by the house, IIRC 12 times, in the wee hours, in the months before the murders. That sounds like the same type surveillance he did the night of the murders. I also believe he tracked MM on SM. But he had a fixation on that house, IMO.

The house was a fishhbowl at night. M's room window was at the street level with the hill behind the house, about 20 ft max. One could park and stare at life going on inside.

 

[Boxer]

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

Got in his car that night drove to Moscow long way, past a place where he had partied before the term when everything looked bright. Drove to King Rd. hesitated, drove loops then crossed the Rubicon and went in on a Ranger Mission.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Well, that's quite a reach.

I certainly don't think it would be a better world if investigators were legally denied the ability to use GG to solve cold cases and Unidentified remains.

THAT is BK's DNA. It does not matter if they took a buccal swab first or later on, imo. They traced it to him in a legal fashion. His constitutional rights were not assaulted in any way. AT is just wishing on a star, imo.

I agree.
GG may have led LE in BK’s direction but that was all it did. It was his buccal swab that identified his DNA on the knife sheath.
Crime investigation is pretty much just narrowing things down until you have a suspect. GG just helped narrow it down


opinion

 

[AcousticViper]

The house was a fishhbowl at night. M's room window was at the street level with the hill behind the house, about 20 ft max. One could park and stare at life going on inside.

Similar to how Russell Williams observed Jessica Lloyd through an unscreened window.

"Williams didn’t know her. He saw her on her treadmill, he said. Williams went back to her house and parked his Nissan Pathfinder nearby. He watched her house from the back of the house. He could see her bedroom window, and waited until her light went out."

Searching for targets, it's possible BK saw the "Saturday's Are For The Girls" banner through the front window on approach, remained stationary in the rear parking lot (parallel with two bedrooms) and determined with help from the kitchen over several visits the home was indeed full of girls.

The banner might also help answer the question why he was not deterred by the number of vehicles parked out front, with the parking lot affording him privacy to prepare and carry out the attack.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Well we do know that he drove by the house, IIRC 12 times, in the wee hours, in the months before the murders. That sounds like the same type surveillance he did the night of the murders. I also believe he tracked MM on SM. But he had a fixation on that house, IMO.

I sometimes wonder if that was the only house he was scouting… were there others that he was doing the same thing to? Or just specifically this house and possibly one of its occupants? I’m probably overthinking… moo

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Anne, when I look at this person's photos, the first word that comes to my mind is: eye brows. prominent.

pretty sure this was discussed a lot threads back and no one understands why, if he were actually watching the house(?) or even just arriving, he would not have noticed multiple cars (4?) at the house and/or seen the Door Dash and realized that this would not be one person alone in a room. For all his supposed analytical mind, not too much thinking going on there IMO, if he only wanted to attack MM.

I don't think he thought he was targeting a lone girl, in an empty house, I think he targeted MM and expected her to be in her room alone, and possibly drunk. I think it would be fair of him to assume that KG was staying in her own room, and he may not have known that she had moved out.
I just think things went wrong, he encountered 2 girls and not one and had to think fast, and then make a quick escape, but in trying to do so he encountered XK and she alerted to his presence, which also alerted him that there was at least one more person in the house that was awake and could call for help. I don't think he would have gone from room to room looking for more people to kill.
That's my reasoning anyway, that he made a plan and it went wrong. He didn't account for the variables. I don't think he set out to kill numerous people that night, I do 100% think that if he had got away with either what he planned, or what happened, he would do it again, and I agree that he saw himself as the next famous serial killer.
All JMO though.