Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[tlcya]

View attachment 538585Opening statements, composite sketches not allowed, cameras confiscated | Day 1 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Shocker.

According to Baldwin that hair that doesn't belong to Allen actually belongs to a female relative of Libby.

so much for a Perry Mason moment with male hair clutched in Abby's fist not matching RA. Recall that is what was debated for days earlier this week. It was being touted by some as male hair, possibly a "tuft", that was "clutched" in Abby's hand and being represented by some case watchers as some last dying act of Abby's to rip the hair from her killer's head. That announcement of hair not matching RA during mini opening was labelled by some as "devastating" to the state's case.

And now DT admits it was a singular hair, possibly belonging to a family member of Libby. A speculation quite a few members mentioned. Kudos to those who saw the posturing over this hair as exactly what it was.

A nothingburger. a red herring. MOO

 

[Purdue19]

Baldwin also attacked the cellphone evidence in the state's case.
Baldwin held up a phone and said, "forensic data on these phones don't lie."
Baldwin told juror's the prosecution's case "is going to fall apart before your very eyes" when they see the phone data evidence.
Baldwin also reiterated the prosecution's theory that Abby and Libby were dead by 4 p.m. on Feb. 13, 2017, that their bodies were never moved until they were recovered and that Libby's phone was under Abby's body the entire time. Baldwin said the prosecution's timeline puts Allen in the CPS parking lot at 1:30 p.m. The prosecution says Allen abducted and killed the girls, left Libby's phone at the scene and never returned.

But the defense says Allen and the girls were never on the trail at the same time. They say Allen left by 1:30 p.m. that day.
"His car is gone by 2:15," Baldwin said. "And if his car is gone, Richard is gone."

Libby German's dad, sister take the stand | Day 1 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial is starting for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

 

[TTF14]

How?
He was doing his best to imply that the hair belongs to someone else involved in the crime.

If the testing that was done points to a female family member, especially the person that loaned the jacket, I would call that a nothing burger.

EBM to add: JMO

Yes, I understand what you're saying.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I find both opening statements disappointing. I think it's possible the prosecution don't have more than the PCA. They caught him after 6 years, he had time to clean/ trown away the evidence. I bet they would more evidence if they hadn't misfiled his interview with DD. As far the opening statmement of the defense, I think the hair is a nothing burger (it is a female hair of a relative of Libby) and the theory that the girls bodies are moved and back to the scene makes no sense. I hope they didn't attack the timeling attacking the family members of the victims but I don't know.

I definitely think there's more to come. Nick McL only used about 15 minutes while Baldwin used an hour.

I think that was a strategy by the State. He laid out the major points and will now fill it in with the details brick by brick.

JMO

 

[TTF14]

I truly believe that unless the confessions are extremely clear (I did this, then this, I left this way etc) with information that was NOT available in his discovery then there is a good chance he walks on this, the prosecution has an extremely weak case and when BB testifies she saw a youthful man with puffy red hair it will insert a ton of reasonable doubt to the jury.

If he did do this crime I hope the confessions are very concise.

If he didn’t do it I hope that he walks.

As always jmo

Also someone posted that two different weapons were used up thread a little bit, is there any source on that? That would change everything imo

Three if you count the gun.

As always, JMO.

 

[Melted]

so much for a Perry Mason moment with male hair clutched in Abby's fist not matching RA. Recall that is what was debated for days earlier this week. It was being touted by some as male hair, possibly a "tuft", that was "clutched" in Abby's hand and being represented by some case watchers as some last dying act of Abby's to rip the hair from her killer's head. That announcement of hair not matching RA during mini opening was labelled by some as "devastating" to the state's case.

And now DT admits it was a singular hair, possibly belonging to a family member of Libby. A speculation quite a few members mentioned. Kudos to those who saw the posturing over this hair as exactly what it was.

A nothingburger. a red herring. MOO

The states opening statement and entire case is a nothingburger imo, the defense doesn’t have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Richard Allen killed the girls and I see no path for them to do so

JMO

 

[Purdue19]

Libby German's dad, sister take the stand | Day 1 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial is starting for the man accused of murdering them.

www.wthr.com

Baldwin says witness Betsy Blair will testify that when she drove by the lot, she saw a car. But Baldwin says the vehicle looks nothing like Allen's.
"There is reasonable doubt in this case," Baldwin said.
The defense says the man in the video taken by Libby doesn't show his lips moving, so it's unclear he is the one who said "down the hill."
The defense says there's no proof the girls were actually taken down the hill. They believe they may have been taken to a car on a nearby access road.
"There's not going to be strong evidence about what happened from that point in time," Baldwin said.

The defense believes the girls were killed somewhere else and their bodies were returned to the crime scene. They said that searchers saw no bodies or girls clothing in the creek on the night of Feb. 13. Witnesses near the crime scene also reported hearing no screams.
The defense also worked to undermine the confessions Allen reportedly made while being held in prison.
"They are going to put up video after video after video, and audio after audio after audio, of confessions of an innocent man," Baldwin said. "He went in there (prison) fragile to begin with."
Baldwin said Allen told his family, "maybe I just confess to all this so you guys don't have to suffer."

Credit: WTHR
Richard Allen
The defense also tried to discredit the prosecution's claim that the bullet found near the girls' bodies belonged to Allen. Baldwin said that law enforcement commonly uses the type of bullet found at the crime scene, but police never investigated if an officer was missing a .40 bullet. He also said that the owner of the property where the girls were found owns a .40 weapon, but his gun was never tested to see if it matched the bullet found.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Trying to make the point that someone should have heard them, I assume.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847326632291267010

Describing my murdered granddaughter’s voice on the stand would absolutely break me if I were in Becky’s place.

 

[Melted]

Describing my murdered granddaughter’s voice on the stand would absolutely break me if I were in Becky’s place.

She’s a very strong woman. I can’t even imagine what the family is going through right now

 

[photographer4]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847299377448017965

Well... I hate to be the one to point this out, but those images and videos have a good chance of still being recovered off those memory cards if someone were so inclined..... Any photographer who's done big work and had a card fail will know exactly how to do it, and its not that hard, and it isn't even all that expensive!! Its like any other device, simply deleting them doesn't mean they're forever gone in a lot of cases. THey might be if they're corrupt or written over, but just deleting them... probably still accessible. I've used this software myself to recover accidentally deleted files from an important shoot! Stellar Photo Recovery Software to recover Images, Videos and Audio

 

[sunshineray]

OR maybe, just maybe, that is exactly what happened.

As always, JMO.

Nah, what killer of not one but two people is going to return to the scene of the crime, being thoroughly searched by LE, family and more, to dump their bodies...instead of driving to a secluded spot? Nahh it's nonsensical and it was a BIG mistake to say it. Zero would have been better. We can agree to greatly disagree. AJMO

 

[photographer4]

Absolutely disgusting that idiots are trying stuff like this. They have zero respect for anybody.

Without seeing the photos / video, I am not inclined to believe that they lack respect. Big difference imo if they shot a photo or video of the wheels of the van arriving vs the windows of the van. Mooooo.

 

[m00c0w]

How?
He was doing his best to imply that the hair belongs to someone else involved in the crime.

If the testing that was done points to a female family member, especially the person that loaned the jacket, I would call that a nothing burger.

EBM to add: JMO

Some people believe the family was involved, so this is no doubt a dogwhistle to that conspiracy theory by the defense.

JMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Well... I hate to be the one to point this out, but those images and videos have a good chance of still being recovered off those memory cards if someone were so inclined..... Any photographer who's done big work and had a card fail will know exactly how to do it, and its not that hard, and it isn't even all that expensive!! Its like any other device, simply deleting them doesn't mean they're forever gone in a lot of cases. THey might be if they're corrupt or written over, but just deleting them... probably still accessible. I've used this software myself to recover accidentally deleted files from an important shoot! Stellar Photo Recovery Software to recover Images, Videos and Audio

If so, I hope they like jail food. They are on the naughty list, and it wouldn't take an ace detective to identify who did it.

MOO

 

[photographer4]

and yet the state's argument to exclude them states the sketches were not in any way used to identify or lead them to RA.

Uh, then why did the LE put them out to the media in the first place? I'm confused?

 

[sunshineray]

The states opening statement and entire case is a nothingburger imo, the defense doesn’t have to prove anything. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Richard Allen killed the girls and I see no path for them to do so

JMO

They will, with the help of the defendant, JMO

 

[Deleted member 229974]

remember - the defence needs to do zero

the burden is with the state to prove this beyond reasonable doubt

if they cannot make an impressive opening statement, it kind of means that they have no fireworks.....he cannot be convicted based upon anything i've seen or heard yet in this whole thing

i actually don't want anyone convicted based upon a half baked case which has taken years to build

I agree. After seven long years of investigating other people and all that it entails, they’ve finally decided on this guy.

 

[Ravenmoon]

So, now the defense claims that RA left at 2:15?
But RA said that he left at 3:30 originally and later stated, nahhh it was 1:30 instead.

The suspicious hair in Abby's hand that will free RA is likely coming from a family member of LG

AND the girls were whisked away, killed elsewhere and returned...
But in reality evidence shows that the girls were murdered where their bodies were found.

This basically went just like I imagined.


EBM to correct an error
Opening statements, composite sketches not allowed, cameras confiscated | Day 1 of Delphi murders trial for suspect Richard Allen

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#UPDATE: Updates from the first half of day 1 in the #Delphi double murders trial. - Judge Gull has ruled the two composite sketches released in 2017 and 2019 can not be used in the trial.- Prosecutor Nick McLeland gave the state’s opening statement. It lasted 13 minutes. - McLeland again said the case would be about three things: “bridge guy, an unspent bullet, and the brutal murders of Abby and Libby.”- McLeland described the February day and said jurors would see the crime scene. “It was a gruesome scene,” he said.- McLeland said the jury would hear from three witnesses who were on the trail that day and say they saw “bridge guy.”- Baldwin gave the opening statements for the defense. It lasted a bit over an hour.- Baldwin focused on the police investigation, saying it was “messed up from the beginning.”- He said hair found entwined in Abby's fingers had a root with DNA. The DNA seemed to possibly match a female relative of Libby, and not Allen.- Baldwin asserted that the bodies of Abby and Libby had been moved after they died and then placed where they were eventually found.

1:13 PM · Oct 18, 2024


#NEW: Judge Gull has ruled the two composite sketches released in 2017 and 2019 cannot be used in the #Delphi double murders trial.



1:15 PM · Oct 18, 2024




#NEW: Judge Fran Gull expelled two media platforms from the #Delphi double murders trial for capturing video and photo of the jury.



1:16 PM · Oct 18, 2024

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Nah, what killer of not one but two people is going to return to the scene of the crime, being thoroughly searched by LE, family and more, to dump their bodies...instead of driving to a secluded spot? Nahh it's nonsensical and it was a BIG mistake to say it. Zero would have been better. We can agree to greatly disagree. AJMO

isn't it kind of treacherous area to get to? and transport two bodies and the blood and everything while people, police, dogs may still be searching in the area? sounds like that would be a very gutsy person or probably more than one person to be able to do that without being detected.