Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #205

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That last part interests me. In part because I have absolutely no idea what’s going on there, but also because it’s a topic I really want to know more about.

What was he searching?

I think we’ll find out what he was searching soon. NM’s request sounded to me as if it was a preemptive strike - if somebody else other than him was using his account.
 

6:05 P.M.: FORMER CSI COULD NOT LINK ALLEN TO CRIME SCENE​

Court resumed at 4:30 p.m. following a quick recess.

Pat Cicero, a LaPorte County sheriff’s major with CSI experience, returned to the stand. State prosecutor James Luttrell began by questioning Cicero about his conclusions about the crime scene and specific details about the bodies.

 
BBM
Cha-Ching !!! I hope you won !!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes, some youtubers are horrific to listen to so I pick and choose carefully. LOL

Justice for Libby & Abby

We are all scurrying around in the ways that suit us best, trying to find out what happened in court each day.

We are fortunate to have so many choices and we each choose our personal preference.

LOL thank you, I actually did win, for a change!
 
Uh. I'm female, 5'2", not in great shape, and I have dragged a box containing a 200 lb exercise bike (just went and checked the weight) from the front of my house along the sidewalk to my backyard, which was 30 feet. No doily, no ropes. Just two dinky handholds precut in the sides of the box. Honestly, it would have been easier for me to drag a dead body because it would be easier to grab and pull on wrists than it was to maintain a grip on that box.
I agree. 200 pounds isn't insurmountable at all. I'm 5'4" and about 125 pounds. I can easily carry 100 lb bags of horse feed. Making multiple trips from truck to shed. I can drag more than 200 lbs for 20 measly feet. I can't imagine a man, at the least my size, not being able to do the same. I've seen pictures of him. He looks plenty capable of pulling that. Being short doesn't equal being weak. I doubt he could lift and carry her far, but dragging???
 
Not speaking on Richard Allen’s guilt or innocence I am now 100% convinced in my mind that there was more than one killer.

Libby was listed at 200 pounds on her autopsy, Richard Allen was 5’4 and while in decent shape it would be impossible for him to drag 200 pounds of dead weight 20 feet.

This is the weight of a large front loading washing machine for reference.

That along with the two different manners of death (one a brutal cut that had people describe it as close to decapitation, and one with a one inch deep cut on her neck about 4 inches long) tells me that there is no way this was one person acting alone.

JMO
It has been reported prior to this it was 7-8 feet . This could be one of those annoying errors in the daily summary. Just saying.
Abby could have been threatened with harm to Libby if she didn't obey then the killer could have easily cut her throat then turned to Libby who may have fled and fought resulting in the final murder. Until I know the distance I can't assume more than one murder.

MOO!
 
#UPDATE: Updates from day 9 in the #Delphi double murders trial. I can’t fit everything into this tweet.
For more info, click the link I share in the comments.
- The jury heard from Stacy Bozinovski. She tested the DNA found at the scene where Abby and Libby died.
- She walked the jury through the many DNA swabs and testified to finding none that linked Richard Allen to the scene.
- She also said there was no DNA that led her to believe the girls had been sexually assaulted.
- Testing done less than two weeks ago shows the hair found wrapped around Abby Williams’ finger belonged to Kelsi German Siebert, that’s Libby’s sister.
- 72 pieces of hair was sent to the FBI for testing. They report that three of them don’t match Abby and Libby. No samples from Richard Allen have been taken for testing.
- She tested the branches found on or near the girls’ bodies. Two of the samples were a match to Libby.
- Boznovski told the jury the black hoodie Abby was wearing that day was tested for male DNA. It was positive, but belonged to a male lab employee.
- She told the jury the cartridge found in between the two girls at the murder scene could not be tested because there was not enough DNA on it.
- She also tested the items found at Richard Allen’s home in 2022. None of it pointed to Abby and Libby.
- The jury also heard from blood spatter specialist, Maj. Pat Cicero, who was called to work on the case this past February – seven years after the girls died.
- He believes Libby was killed in one area of the crime scene and then dragged to a different spot. The direction of the blood is his evidence for that. He believes Abby died where she was found.
- Much of the family cried as they heard the girls’ blood was mixed with tears.

 
I think Abby having no blood on her hands can be explained two ways. She either passed out from seeing her best friend murdered or he could have used the long sweatshirt sleeves to bind up her arms long enough to inflict the wound.
I dont think she saw Libby murdered, she passed away prior to that.

She either passed out or passed away before Libby,

I do wonder about the hoodie binding her arms inside it so she could not move, or she was gone by then, either passed out or murdered.

JMO
 
Uh oh——this is making me wonder if perhaps, being outdoors, he did in fact ejaculate, a bit removed from the girls, and covered it up sufficiently?

IMO there had to be a sexual component to this crime or they wouldn’t be unclothed, in whole or partially.

Still I remain grateful that at the least, he didn’t defile the girls’ actual bodies this way.

Not that that gives much solace, since of course they suffered and died in such a horrific fashion.

JMO and sorrowful speculation.
He could have ejaculated inside them while wearing a condom and left no trace.

All that can be said as fact is that there was no visible indication such as bruising or abrasions, and no bodily fluids collected.

If this happened to me, I think I’d still be pretty resentful of the whole “fatally stabbing me in the neck” thing regardless of whether I was SA’d.
 
Well no matter what you think about RA’s guilt or not, testimony today certainly brought home the brutality of these dreadful crimes which are hard to stomach, certainly nothing I want to spend any time dwelling or speculating upon.

Cool heads required as we proceed, easier said than done.

JMO
 
I have wondered if Abby purposely put Libby's jeans on knowing that the phone was in the back pocket to try to preserve the evidence on the phone. She may have worried it wouldn't be found if it was separated from the bodies. I've also wondered if BG grabbed Abby by the back of the sweatshirt and yanked it back while her arms were inside which would render her helpless. This could also account for the wound by her mouth if it was angled that the front neckline was pulled up and back at the same time. JMO

Edit to add: It would also explain why there was no blood on her hands.
 
I dont think she saw Libby murdered, she passed away prior to that.

She either passed out or passed away before Libby,

I do wonder about the hoodie binding her arms inside it so she could not move, or she was gone by then, either passed out or murdered.

JMO
I think she was very cold because of the water and the fear, and trying to warm up... MOO
 
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