I believe all the work they were doing today was to pour cold water on any potential DT theories.
I'd like to know what and when..
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Clarifying- is this assertion based on any evidence or is it your speculation?
Pretty much every case I’ve followed where search history comes in, the defense claims that others had access to the device and those people could have performed the searches.From the Carroll County Comet - Blood spatter expert Major Pat Cicero testified Libby likely cried after sustaining wounds this her neck. He noted a streak of moisture and blood running from the corner of her eye to her ear.
Cicero also said he had never seen the victim of a neck wound have arms and hands as clean as Abby’s, which were photographed at the crime scene. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked if Abby could have been held down by two people. Cicero said he could not rule that out.
At the conclusion of the testimony of an ISP DNA expert there is still no DNA evidence linking Richard Allen to the deaths of Abby and Libby. Samples of carpet taken from his 2016 Ford Focus, as well as boots, a blue Carhart jacket and knives found at his home did not reveal any DNA from Abby or Libby.
At the end of the day, Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland filed a motion of admissibility for Allen’s Google search associated with an email that he told investigators he used in October 2022, when he was interviewed. The defense sighted case law stating there’s no way to determine that Allen was the only one who used the device that completed searches about Abby, Libby, and their deaths. They said they would call Allen‘s wife, Kathy, to testify that others had access to those devices.
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I agree they were likely alive in the removal and changing of clothing, it’s difficult to dress someone who’s unconscious.Her feet/could have been tied imo
I've a always thought the clothes swap between the girls happened while they were alive and made to change their clothes by themselves imo. Imo I have thought the girls were attached in some way. Either by cuffs, zip ties or rope. Hands or legs. Imo He kept them calm by telling them they would not be hurt if they do what he says. Once the change of clothes occurred, they were reattaced and Abby was either killed or knocked unconscious, making it hard for Libby to run or get very far.
These are just opinions, I certainly could be wrong. Full disclosure I have not kept up with this case in a while. I started back up a few days into the trial. So come for me
The fact that Abby never moved makes me lean into a terrible theory I had.From the Carroll County Comet - Blood spatter expert Major Pat Cicero testified Libby likely cried after sustaining wounds this her neck. He noted a streak of moisture and blood running from the corner of her eye to her ear.
Cicero also said he had never seen the victim of a neck wound have arms and hands as clean as Abby’s, which were photographed at the crime scene. Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked if Abby could have been held down by two people. Cicero said he could not rule that out.
At the conclusion of the testimony of an ISP DNA expert there is still no DNA evidence linking Richard Allen to the deaths of Abby and Libby. Samples of carpet taken from his 2016 Ford Focus, as well as boots, a blue Carhart jacket and knives found at his home did not reveal any DNA from Abby or Libby.
At the end of the day, Carroll County Prosecutor Nick McLeland filed a motion of admissibility for Allen’s Google search associated with an email that he told investigators he used in October 2022, when he was interviewed. The defense sighted case law stating there’s no way to determine that Allen was the only one who used the device that completed searches about Abby, Libby, and their deaths. They said they would call Allen‘s wife, Kathy, to testify that others had access to those devices.
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Blood spatter expert Major Pat Cicero testified Libby likely cried after sustaining wounds this her neck. He noted a streak of moisture and blood running...
I can just imagine it goes something like this and this is all IMO so nobody come for me.. lol
Again, even the confessions MIGHT not hold a lot of weight (for me) because of the conditions of his incarceration, medications (lack thereof perhaps, or rapid changes in those if he was on any prior etc). And again, who knows what the LE said in their interactions with him (not even intentionally), or what other inmates may have been saying to him etc.... etc... disclosure... I think its a big hurdle for the State to convince BARD at this point (for me). I saw a reporter made a diagram of his "written" confession to the warden - even that was sorely lacking imo. https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/rich...ghts-into-knowledge-only-a-killer-would-know/
Some interesting info from the end of the day:
Cicero told the jury he believed Abby Williams was killed while wearing the clothes she was found in, and said he wasn’t surprised that investigators didn’t predation on the bodies given the climate and temperature on Feb. 13, 2017.
Defense attorney Jennifer Auger asked Cicero about his conclusions on blood found at the scene, asking him to explain how the blood could have transferred to where it did. Auger asked if the girls could have been lifted, and Cicero said “not necessarily,” including that “her body could have been turned.” He mentioned in earlier testimony that Libby’s body may have been moved, or dragged, after her death.
He confirmed to the court, though, that at some point, Libby German’s neck was above her head. Auger noted that it would have been “highly appropriate” to document any drag marks found at the scene in February 2017.
Luttrell redirected, to which Cicero explained his theory that Libby’s arm could have been used to pull her body, and that if she was dragged, her head would fall back.
Luttrell then asked if sexual assault could occur without leaving DNA and if Libby’s injuries were inflicted at the same time. Cicero said yes to the first question, and said the injuries would have been inflicted at different times.
Auger jumped in, remarking that Cicero “had no idea how that (blood) transfer got on that tree.”
“No,” Cicero said. “Could there have been other methods? Yes.”
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“You can’t rule out that Abby and Libby were killed at the same time?” Auger asked.
“No, I can’t,” Cicero concluded.
After Cicero’s testimony, the jury was dismissed. State prosecutor Nick McLeland motioned for the state to submit a Google search history for emails and accounts associated with Richard Allen. McLeland said he wanted see if anybody else had access to his accounts.
Judge Gull denied the request.
My heart. She must have just seen her best friend getting slaughtered, and then the monster got to her...
Defence team. They introduced the idea that someone else's dna was found on the hair, that the girls where moved by car etc. This for me is the Prosecution methodically dismantling the DT's theories, in advance.
Agree. MOO he recognized the casually girls from CVS thought they would identify him too.
JMO
This is so disturbing. It seems Libby got the brunt of the abuse. Abby was dressed in Libby's clothes then murdered. Almost as if he needed to make her look like Libby before he slit her throat.
