Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #199

[Seattle1]

More from the defense on the bullet found at the crime scene -- except they left out that the bullet matches striation marks from RA's own weapon:

New details revealed in Delphi girls' double murder as opening arguments begin

Richard Allen is accused of killing Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14, on an Indiana trail in 2017.

abcnews.go.com

10/18/24

Addressing the unspent round found at the crime scene, Baldwin said law enforcement commonly used that type of bullet, but police never investigated if an officer was missing one. He also said the owner of the property where the girls were found owns a similar weapon but his gun was never tested.

 

[MassGuy]

...that's... so shockingly easy to disprove, I am just scratching my head over here like... Surely a reporter must have misheard?

Or did these hypothetical perps also bring a whole load of blood with them and spilled it over the earth before placing the poor girls on there? (See Cicero's blood evidence testimony, and common sense, IMO)

I am in disbelief.

All MOO

There’s just no reason to make an argument that outlandish. Simply claim that some unidentified person was there that day, and they are responsible.

You gain nothing throwing in some bizarre scenario that can be refuted by common sense, logic, and evidence.

I don’t get it either.

 

[wastelands_]

Oh wow. Lots to catch up. Good morning from Australia. Are we expecting another update sometime today/tonight?
Sounds like the defence is just throwing whatever at the wall and hoping it sticks. Moo.

 

[joe jones]

And one other thing I overlooked was the sketches were only excluded in limine, I saw a lawyer posting that they could be used by the defence in a limited way, if they wish to impeach one of the witnesses who assisted in making the sketch they could ask the judge to allow them to use them for that limited purpose,

 

[TTF14]

There’s just no reason to make an argument that outlandish. Simply claim that some unidentified person was there that day, and they are responsible.

You gain nothing throwing in some bizarre scenario that can be refuted by common sense, logic, and evidence.

I don’t get it either.

Maybe it's true.

 

[MiniMoo]

COURTTV LIVE with Barbara MacDonald.

Seems one other gun can't be excluded according to Barbara MacDonald on CourtTV LIVE and that the gun belongs to one of the property owners who returned around 3:30 pm that day and may have interrupted what was going on.

What does that mean exactly about another gun not being excluded?

Im wondering if it is possible if multiple guns can perhaps leave similar markings or something.

Or...

If that unspent bullet may not be what it seems.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Deleted member 229974]

I don't see how a juror could NOT think about how their vote may affect them later on really. EG: if I were a juror and wasn't 100% convinced of his guilt, I'd be the holdout on the not guilty because I would really hate to put a man away for life if I weren't sure he was the criminal the State said he was. moooo

And you would be absolutely correct to do that. We are supposed to base are our decision of guilty or not guilty solely on the evidence presented at trial, regardless if you are the “holdout” or not. The way I understood the OP to mean, was that he or she would be afraid to be that “holdout” due to the public outcry. I don’t believe the court reveals who voted and how, so no one would ever know unless a juror speaks out. IMO

 

[iamshadow21]

Those talking about the 'two knives' theory.

I'm personally reserving my judgement on that, because knives sometimes change their characteristics if they've been damaged in the course of an attack.

So one knife can leave two different wound types in those circumstances.

We know two girls were attacked very brutally, here. That a knife might be damaged in the course of an attack like the one in question is entirely possible.

MOO

 

[Bbgiraffe]

Are you saying they have a DNA match to Richard Allen? I hadn't heard this.

that's not what i said. that is my opinion. because we do not have any information because everything has been sealed or subjected to gag order. very little information has been released and it seems people have the assumption that means there is no evidence whatsoever beyond what we have seen thus far.

editing to say: i will eat my words when the investigators take the stand and testify that they seized all these items from RA's home and car and found absolutely nothing connecting him to these crimes. But still arrested him and the court has held him with no bond this entire time. with no evidence beyond an unspent bullet.

 

[statt#1]

COURTTV LIVE with Barbara MacDonald.

Seems one other gun can't be excluded according to Barbara MacDonald on CourtTV LIVE and that the gun belongs to one of the property owners who returned around 3:30 pm that day and may have interrupted what was going on.

What does that mean exactly about another gun not being excluded?

Im wondering if it is possible if multiple guns can perhaps leave similar markings or something.

Or...

If that unspent bullet may not be what it seems.

JMO MOO JMT

Possibly this ties in to the idea that the murderer was "interrupted" during this crime.

 

[AugustWest]

I don't think defence is saying someone from LG family is involved, the hair is one example of what they say is LE not doing a very good job, that it took years before they tested it when it obviously should have been tested first week, and when tested it was not related to the crime but LE didn't know that until it was tested

Makes it easier to understand how they filed the self reported statement of RA and the man who took report probably thought it had been followed up on so it sat in a file somewhere for years,
I am interested in the problems that the defence alluded to in openings between some LE and FBI
And am interested in testimony about where his daughter and wife were and did they see him that day

Exactly. This hair, along with the sketches, are/were not necessarily going to be used for identification, but rather to establish a pattern of shoddy police work. IMO

 

[tlcya]

Those talking about the 'two knives' theory.

I'm personally reserving my judgement on that, because knives sometimes change their characteristics if they've been damaged in the course of an attack.

So one knife can leave two different wound types in those circumstances.

We know two girls were attacked very brutally, here. That a knife might be damaged in the course of an attack like the one in question is entirely possible.

MOO

that coupled with the fact that I've only heard that from defense during the opening has me sitting back waiting to hear more before wasting energy on debating whether there were two bladed weapons or not.

 

[MiniMoo]

COURTTV LIVE with Barbara MacDonald.

Seems one other gun can't be excluded according to Barbara MacDonald on CourtTV LIVE and that the gun belongs to one of the property owners who returned around 3:30 pm that day and may have interrupted what was going on.

What does that mean exactly about another gun not being excluded?

Im wondering if it is possible if multiple guns can perhaps leave similar markings or something.

Or...

If that unspent bullet may not be what it seems.

JMO MOO JMT

Make that plural -

Barbara MacDonald: "...not excluded some other people whose guns were looked at..."

The 3:30 pm person is one example.

SOURCE: CourtTV LIVE

 

[joe jones]

Today must have been heartbreaking for both families, for the ones who testified and have had to relive that nightmare that started when the girls didn't return and the next day when they found out the horrific news of their murders, and I imagine they have been living with unimaginable grief and loss since, and the next few weeks are going to be very hard to bear depending on how much of the facts of what was done to their girls they wish to hear.
I have just seen a post that says Derick sp and Kelsi and Anna have testified this afternoon, and one struggles to even begin to try to understand what they have endured throughout the years.

 

[BUF]

Oh wow. Lots to catch up. Good morning from Australia. Are we expecting another update sometime today/tonight?
Sounds like the defence is just throwing whatever at the wall and hoping it sticks. Moo.

There should be more information coming out when court ends for the day…which should be soon

 

[arielilane]

@defense_diaries

#RichardAllenTrial UpdatePost lunch three witnesses have been called…Kelsi Siebert(Libby’s sister) Derrick German (Libby’s Dad) and Anna Williams (Abby’s Mom.). They have served as proof of life and timeline witnesses. Derrick German testified that he made the girls banana pancakes in the morning. This is significant when we get to the Medical examiners testimony as far as stomach contents in attempting to establish an approximate time of death.


4:24 PM · Oct 18, 2024

 

[Web_Sleuth]

This is all moving so fast I can’t keep up - the hair in one of the girls hand - could it be one of the two girls hair? Who knows what all went on.

 

[arielilane]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847375840159682909

State, defense deliver opening statements in Delphi murders trial

DELPHI, Ind. – Opening statements have wrapped up in the Delphi murders case, with the prosecution and defense revealing their respective strategies to jurors. Richard Allen faces four counts of mu…

fox59.com

 

[joe jones]

Make that plural -

Barbara MacDonald "not excluded some other people whose guns were looked at..."

The 3:30 pm person is one example.

SOURCE: CourtTV LIVE

Plus I hope they asked all LE at crime scene before cartridge was found what gun they had, and if it could hold said cartridge I hope they tested them

 

[arielilane]

This is all moving so fast I can’t keep up - the hair in one of the girls hand - could it be one of the two girls hair? Who knows what all went on.

@KylaBRussell
- He said hair found entwined in Abby's fingers had a root with DNA. The DNA seemed to possibly match a female relative of Libby, and not Allen.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1847325191912796485