Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[statt#1]

The point is that the photo he was shown was of BG. He would have seen that photo countless times, so an appropriate answer would have been “that’s not me.”

It’s the apparent ignorance of the photo existing that’s incriminating.

When the interview resumed, Mullin showed him the “Bridge Guy” picture. Allen said if the photo was from one of the Delphi victims’ phones, “there’s no way” it could’ve been him.

Delphi murders: Misfiled report from 2017 put Allen in investigators’ sights in 2022

DELPHI, Ind. – As Day 6 of testimony in the Delphi murders trials began, the state began to lay the groundwork for its case against Richard Allen. Allen is charged with four counts of murder in con…

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I would think the answer to the question...Is that you? would be a simple, No.

And if there is no record of him using his phone to check up on Wall Street data, and he said exactly that's what he was doing....almost sounds like he's lying.

On another note, I'd like to go out in those woods with my Minelab Equinox 800...I have thousands of hours on a metal detector, and start at the scene where these girls' bodies were found, and pull every bullet, casing, bottle cap, pop tab, piece of tin, balled up aluminum foil, penny, and nail layin' around there! The least likely item out of that list to be found around there is an actual unfired .40 caliber round.

 

[Salah11]

Well I hope we hear testimony about that, if he did have a drinking problem he was able to function very well with it,

There are millions of functioning alcoholics. He won’t be the first if he is.

Moo

 

[MassGuy]

I’m just curious - I know Kline isn’t a suspect and I’m not placing him as such - just wondered if BG - RA could have known the girls would be there that day…with them possibly being in contact with Kline and RA visiting Peru that same day - do we know where Kline lived, was located, anything that could assume they had a friendship or something strange to tip off RA to the girls going to the bridge.

I also don’t recall if they just announced that day “Hey we want to go to the bridge” and asked Kelsi to take them? All just thinking out loud. Thanks for any info!

JMO

I’m pretty sure that’s the angle they were exploring. He didn’t match the images of BG, but that online connection just hours before the murders is incredibly incriminating, as you’re talking about a sexual deviant here.

So he wasn’t the killer, but he may have been in contact with whoever is.

Two major issues though:

They apparently never found anything to that effect.

He had an opportunity to bargain with that information for a more lenient sentence.

 

[photographer4]

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Perhaps bc they did not see RA? I couldn’t help but notice not one witness seems to have described seems to have been RA imo. I’m willing to entertain they may have seen him but he may also have been gone before someone else arrived. The thing is, no one knows. It all a theory posed by the state and an alt theory by the D.

I’m keeping an open mind but not impressed with the state’s case. I was waiting on bombshells like DNA and electronics. But none so far. In this day and age? That’s bollocks imo.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I'm sure that this has been asked, but did RA give police his jacket? I mean, if he is innocent, turn over the jacket. If he isn't, he would have gotten rid of the jacket. This guy is not rich. He's not just going to discard this jacket.

JMO.

 

[Justice101]

There are millions of functioning alcoholics. He won’t be the first if he is.

Moo

I was a functioning alcoholic for many years.. got sober 28 years ago and (by the grace of God) have stayed sober ever since. MUCH better life!

I had much more rage issues back then even when I was not actually drunk. Hangover anger and rage was normal.

I am still embarrassed that I screamed at a teenager in an elevator when he would not select a floor. I also yelled at a teenage girl who jumped in line in front of me at a hotel breakfast buffet line...things like that that I would never do today.

That's why I thought initially he was just angry that the girls had laughed at him and was trying to teach them a lesson.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

10:34 A.M.​

Court was back in session at 9:01 a.m. Judge Gull shares that the jury had access to their phones last night, under supervision.

At 9:05 a.m. the state called Melissa Obergt. Obergt works for a clinical asset health management company.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

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Anyone know what she might be testifying about?

 

[MassGuy]

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Perhaps bc they did not see RA? I couldn’t help but notice not one witness seems to have described seems to have been RA imo. I’m willing to entertain they may have seen him but he may also have been gone before someone else arrived. The thing is, no one knows. It all a theory posed by the state and an alt theory by the D.

I’m keeping an open mind but not impressed with the state’s case. I was waiting on bombshells like DNA and electronics. But none so far. In this day and age? That’s bollocks imo.

The state's theory is based on evidence. The defense's theory is based on fantasy ranging from improbable to impossible.

Three girls with a child saw BG, RA saw girls with a child. That's easy math as I see it, especially considering all of them recognized BG from the video, and two of them got his clothing right (according to Allen himself).

 

[vls12345]

It's almost like an internal thought that slipped out loud. "If it's from the girls' phone, it can't be me [because...I got rid of their phone/they didn't have a phone/I deleted the video/etc]"

Maybe he thought he was being clever and thought he was sticking to the story he had already told about that day. He said he had seen the other group of girls that day but didn't say he had seen Libby and Abby. So maybe this was his way to be clever, thinking it would be consistent to what he had said so far?

(It's still a bizarre statement but I am just speculating on RA's possible thought process.)

 

[TTF14]

I'm sure that this has been asked, but did RA give police his jacket? I mean, if he is innocent, turn over the jacket. If he isn't, he would have gotten rid of the jacket. This guy is not rich. He's not just going to discard this jacket.

JMO.

BBM

To whom and when? Without a warrant, he shouldn't have turned anything over to LE. Nobody should, in my opinion.

As always, JMO.

 

[MassGuy]

10:34 A.M.​

Court was back in session at 9:01 a.m. Judge Gull shares that the jury had access to their phones last night, under supervision.

At 9:05 a.m. the state called Melissa Obergt. Obergt works for a clinical asset health management company.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

Anyone know what she might be testifying about?

It keeps updating. She’s testifying about her analysis of the round.

 

[ClearAhead]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 7 live blog

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) — Friday is the seventh day of testimonies in the trial of Delphi Murders suspect Richard Allen at the Carroll County Courthouse in Delphi. Allen, 52, is charged with murder and murder while committing or attempting to commit kidnapping in the deaths of 13-year-old Abigail...

www.wishtv.com

At 9:05 a.m. the state called Melissa Obergt. Obergt works for a clinical asset health management company. She tells the jury she is an operations data analyst for that company.

Previously Obergt worked for the Indiana State Police as a forensic firearm examiner. She resigned that position in 2013.

She told the jury she looked at cartridges, did function exams on firearms and did tool mark examinations. She tells the jury she has testified 112 times.

 

[mrjitty]

I just got to the part at 1:22:00 where TL also apparently testified that there is no evidence that shows RA was on his phone looking at stock tickers that day. Sounds like another theory is proving correct, that his phone doesn’t appear in any of the tower dumps, which would be next to impossible if he was actually looking at stock tickers on the trails.

JMO

As many of us predicted when the defence avoided any mention of exculpatory phone evidence in the
Franks!

 

[Salah11]

I'm sure that this has been asked, but did RA give police his jacket? I mean, if he is innocent, turn over the jacket. If he isn't, he would have gotten rid of the jacket. This guy is not rich. He's not just going to discard this jacket.

JMO.

He worked full time and so did his wife and they owned their home. It doesn’t sound like they was struggling and how much do you think coats cost?

Moo

 

[AugustWest]

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Oct 25, 2024

In regard to understanding what's going on in the courtroom:
Yemelyan's post that you quoted was from this linked article. I'd like your opinion on how you think the jury may have reacted to this comment from the article. Do you think they will understand what impeachment means and why the judge thought that was where Rozzi was going?
(snip)
"Judge Fran Gull stepped in and said to Rozzi, “If you’re going to impeach him, impeach him properly.”"

Delphi Murders trial: Day 6 live blog

Delphi Murders trial continues with testimony from Dr. Roland Kohr and Sarah Carbaugh. Allen accused of murdering Abby Williams and Libby German.

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I think a lot of it depends on her tone...

• NoSpoonFeeding

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@NoSpoonFeeding I have linked your post from the last thread, as I failed to reply before the change to the current thread.

First, I wanted to clarify that Indiana allows jurors to discuss the case amongst themselves prior to deliberation.

(8) that jurors, including alternates, are permitted to discuss the evidence among themselves in the jury room during recesses from trial when all are present, as long as they reserve judgment about the outcome of the case until deliberations commence. The court shall admonish jurors not to discuss the case with anyone other than fellow jurors during the trial.

See Indiana Jury Rule 20: Indiana Jury Rules

Second, I am confused about the "procedure" you speak of regarding impeachment. Impeachment, in the sense of witness impeachment, means discrediting a witness by use of other contradictory evidence. The procedure usually happens through cross-examination of the witness. No other procedure is needed.

See: impeachment of a witness.

See also: Rule 607. Who May Impeach a Witness

Third, what a judge has stated in court is on the record, has not been stricken (no one objects to what the judge has said; it is not removed from the transcript), and the record will be provided to the jury. What weight they will give to that statement, who knows?

 

[Deleted member 296739]

It’s the apparent ignorance of the photo existing that’s incriminating.

Got it- missed that part- thanks

 

[INfisherman]

Yes, I want to hear more about that! Good point.

jmo

I have located the interview KAK had with Vido from ISP on 19AUG20. There is discussion about the Delphi case & I need to reference it but it’s on a pay to download type of site & I can’t see it all now due to accessing it too many times. It’s a state of Indiana court document. Can I request someone with more knowledge in finding that doc elsewhere. Unsure of how to proceed without violating WS policies or being called out for source. I do have the case number. Any advice would be appreciated.

That info could possibly tie into theories concerning motive. Quite a few ifs & may end up being nothing new. Would be surprised if it were, as many are quite resourceful here.

ETA @AugustWest any help or advice - feel free to msg me.

 

[cbeagle]

Three girls with a child saw BG, RA saw girls with a child. That's easy math as I see it, especially considering all of them recognized BG from the video, and two of them got his clothing right (according to Allen himself).

I wonder if the people on the trail were explicitly asked on the witness stand how many people did you see that day (or did you seen anyone else), I assume that must have occurred, but not yet seen any evidence of it.

 

[Justice101]

As many of us predicted when the defence avoided any mention of exculpatory phone evidence in the f
Franks!

So, do they have data from the cell phone company from that day...even though they don't have his actually cell phone from 2017? I missed that if that is true

 

[Ontario Mom]

It seems impossible to keep up on this trial & thread so I'm just wondering, have any of the witnesses ID'd RA as the guy they saw on the trails that day? Apologies in advance if this has been addressed.