Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[shonyakay]

That’s a really good point. It would add to the significance of his forthcoming confessions.

Have we heard anything about CAST, or specific FBI involvement here? Just in general from other filings or something.

Yes. FBI CAST special agent Kevin Horan. He testified at the pretrial hearings in July and August but his testimony transcript is not available.

 

[mrjitty]

Just looked up his background, I’d love to hear from him.

i’m expecting there will be a CAST expert. someone needs to say whatever they have on RAs phone and also to corroborate witnesses.

MOO

 

[MassGuy]

Andrea Burkhart (approved source) certainly has strong opinions (IMO)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850200031770366267

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850200037600399378

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850209980382683568

Has this famed gun expert never seen the bad cop side of an interrogation before?

I did not like that strategy, not because it wasn’t effective, but because I think it was highly unlikely to be effective in the first place.

I’d want to hear as many details as possible, and have Allen account for numerous things. Screaming at him and encouraging an angry back and forth is just pointless.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

I suspect “him” is a typo - Allen replied “Then take all of your evidence and arrest him already.”

FoxNews is reporting it a bit different:
“That trooper advised Allen he was free to leave. Allen said he was done but continued to talk, Holeman said. According to him, Allen then stated “You have all the evidence, just arrest me.”

https://fox59.com/news/delphi-trial-isp-lt-recounts-richard-allens-arrest-interviews/

I’m glad the jurors will get to see this video with their own eyes, even though it doesn’t show him being Mirandized. MOO

 

[m00c0w]

Has this famed gun expert never seen the bad cop side of an interrogation before?

I did not like that strategy, not because it wasn’t effective, but because I think it was highly unlikely to be effective in the first place.

I’d want to hear as many details as possible, and have Allen account for numerous things. Screaming at him and encouraging an angry back and forth is just pointless.

If Holeman being so aggressive was super damaging for the prosecution, the defense wouldn't have been trying to exclude it so hard. There's a reason they wanted it out, and it's not because it was bad for the state.

JMO

 

[mrjitty]

Has this famed gun expert never seen the bad cop side of an interrogation before?

I did not like that strategy, not because it wasn’t effective, but because I think it was highly unlikely to be effective in the first place.

I’d want to hear as many details as possible, and have Allen account for numerous things. Screaming at him and encouraging an angry back and forth is just pointless.

yeah youtube is full of these interrogations but of course only the ones where it works.

 

[MassGuy]

If Holeman being so aggressive was super damaging for the prosecution, the defense wouldn't have been trying to exclude it so hard. There's a reason they wanted it out, and it's not because it was bad for the state.

JMO

Oh I agree. I just see the potential for it to have been much more valuable to the state than it was.

 

[steeltowngirl]

yeah youtube is full of these interrogations but of course only the ones where it works.

I will always admire the female investigator who managed to get Chris Watts to confess. Her approach was firm, but gentle enough to get him talking.

jmo

 

[Bergmann]

Has this famed gun expert

Who are you referring to?

 

[ClearAhead]

I am extremely confident in Allen's guilt, but at this stage, I am not confident in the prosecution's ability to convict him.

I do not like the fact that the testing on the round was not also sent to an outside lab (FBI) for confirmation.

I do not like that it appears the FBI was not utilized more. It feels like ISP may have been playing politics. I would like to hear from an FBI CAST expert for instance, but we've only heard from an ISP expert in that regard.

I was not impressed by the pathologist. I feel like he's past his prime, and was not as effective on the stand as I hoped for (his changing take on what made those wounds). This also could have come down to questioning by the prosecution, but I was not a fan.

I do not like witnesses who say something on the stand that is extremely damaging to the defendant, and we later learn more context that makes those remarks less incriminating, or even potentially not incriminating.

I think Sheriff Liggett's testimony was terrible, and that he came across as incompetent.

I do not like that interview we heard about today. I think it was much too combative, and that caused Allen not to share information that he otherwise might have.

I do not like this lost video stuff. No, I don't believe it was intentional, but it's just sloppy.

It all comes down to how convinced the jury is in regards to what the prosecution has sold them so far. If they believe the bullet evidence, the timeline, the witness statements (especially the one corroborated by Allen), then they are in decent shape. They may not be though, and that could be a problem.

In that case there better be more, or the confessions better be as effective as the prosecution has characterized them as, or the defense will be able to inflict a lot of damage when they get the ball.

I think it’s impossible to predict how it will go. A jurors vote is the result of far more than just words or knowledge expressed on the witness stand. They will not be given a transcript as they were asked to take notes. Relying on tweets here, we cannot observe the body language, expressions and tone used by not only the witnesses but the attorneys on each side plus the subtle behavior of the defendant who’s sitting there. It’s human nature that far more than words goes into building of trust and confidence in order for the jurors to determine if the case against RA is proven or not.

I have only one complaint JMO Although jurors are allowed to ask questions, the goal should be zero if the witness’s details were adequately covered off by the P. Too many questions is not good IMO.

 

[MassGuy]

Who are you referring to?

Andrea. She did a YouTube video last night in which she confidently said some things about guns that fell somewhere between flat out wrong and insane.

That was the only YouTube/podcast thing I’ve listened to about this case, and those 5 minutes reminded me why I don’t.

 

[Betty P]

It's not any more strange to me than people who take their gun everywhere they go, 24/7.

Sadly true.

 

[Bergmann]

she confidently said some things about guns that fell somewhere between flat out wrong and insane

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve seen that in regards to this case! Everyone seems to think they’re an expert on everything and not just guns!

 

[Betty P]

Andrea Burkhart (approved source) certainly has strong opinions (IMO)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850200031770366267

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850200037600399378

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850209980382683568

She seems to have a lot of them. Her opinion that she could sue the courts for more access to the trial wasn't one of her better ones, though. She lost. Podcasters have no legal standing in a criminal trial. Maybe she's making enough money on her podcast or YouTube product that she can afford the legal fees.

She's entitled to her opinions, though.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

The prosecution case this week could have been better probably but I thought it was solid for the most part.
The witnesses weren’t perfect but they were credible which is the most important thing I think.
As someone who was critical of the investigation before RA’s arrest I wasn’t expecting to see shining examples of police work at trial, but it’s actually better than I thought it would be. I wish they had done some things they didn’t. I wish they had done some things differently but that’s hindsight on my part. It certainly wasn’t some giant conspiracy and LE hasn’t tried to cover any mistakes.
Nothing this week has knocked the prosecution train off the rails. RA is still on that bridge. Everything is still stacking. It’s the totality of the evidence and I think right now all is well.

Opinion.

 

[gremlin444]

Has this famed gun expert never seen the bad cop side of an interrogation before?

I did not like that strategy, not because it wasn’t effective, but because I think it was highly unlikely to be effective in the first place.

I’d want to hear as many details as possible, and have Allen account for numerous things. Screaming at him and encouraging an angry back and forth is just pointless.

Not sure why she or others on other platforms who claim to be deeply involved in the case are acting surprised by how the questioning went, as if this is only coming out now. We all had access to the transcript for that months ago and read it.

AB clutching over police lying during questioning when it has been established for quite a while now that it is a legal technique in Indiana feels absurd, especially since she would be more than aware of that as a lawyer.

Do I like how the interrogation was conducted? No. Does it fall within the laws and practices of Indiana? Yes.

 

[FromGermany1]

RSBM
He seeked power and control, terrorizing and murder of two girls. Maybe each represents a female in his life.
If only one was the target he could have killed the unnecessary one immediately under the bridge out of sight but he exerted his fantasy over both.
I also wonder how much of the SA component required 2 victims. ( ugh)
I also wonder if he purposefully left the bullet and how this played into the whole purpose of his horrid act. Seems crazy but exactly the type of power seeking trip RA was on.
All speculation

I wonder, if at CS locations of murdered girls (unsolved cases) a bullet of an unspent round would have been found, if LE had ever searched the ground for it. What they wouldn't have done probably, if the fatal wounds weren't caused by a gun.

 

[Bergmann]

Big week coming up for the prosecution, especially if IMO it looks as if they really need those confessions to land a conviction.

Unless we're also going to see more evidence than was included in the PCA?

 

[justtrish]

Has this famed gun expert never seen the bad cop side of an interrogation before?

I did not like that strategy, not because it wasn’t effective, but because I think it was highly unlikely to be effective in the first place.

I’d want to hear as many details as possible, and have Allen account for numerous things. Screaming at him and encouraging an angry back and forth is just pointless.

This person is an approved source, but when I see a tweet that says something about "Every shady police tactic".. I quit reading. The "shady" police tactics are allowed and labeling them as such is showing her bias. I get that not everyone agrees with some of the approved tactics used, but that doesn't make them shady and it doesn't make the person doing the interview shady. It is witnesses like this that make me wish we could watch it for ourselves. There is so much left unsaid about what took place over the entire testimony today and with the entire interview of RA.

I'm replying to your comment, but this isn't me saying you think police are shady.. just sharing my thoughts on this discussion about one person's tweets about what happened

 

[INfisherman]

Good point, but wouldn't you have more than one round in? There could be more than one coyote or more than one rattlesnake.
So what's the point in him saying he only carried one round, that absolutely makes no sense.

My response to which you quoted was to someone who’d asked why anyone might take a gun fishing. I fish quite often (do not own a gun) & know others who carry almost everywhere. I offered what I thought were logical reasons, minus the last two words which were an attempt at humor. Had nothing to do with anything in regards to the case.

I haven’t completely reviewed reports from today’s hearing as of this post. I did come across & skimmed through Holeman’s interview with RA & recall RA mentioning he kept one round chambered. That means one round (bullet) is in the chamber, ready to be fired. The gun has been racked already (when you see actors on TV grab the top of the gun & pull it back towards them, that is chambering a round - the piece they’re pulling is referred to as the slide, I believe). This gun of RA’s holds additional bullets in a magazine which are fed up into the chamber once the gun is fired & the casing from that first fired round is ejected. So he wasn’t just carrying one round, he had a fully loaded gun ready to be fired.