Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[shonyakay]

I wonder if they will get into his direct confessions tomorrow. Can't wait to hear testimony of those.

 

[Warwick7]

When the judge forbids you to use an expert, it certainly helps the other side.

Didn't Gull state he wasn't an expert? M00, if he were innocent he wouldn't worry about the other side.

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder if they will get into his direct confessions tomorrow. Can't wait to hear testimony of those.

They seem to be going chronologically. My hope is they have witnesses prior to the confessions that can testify to behavioral changes or comments he made.

So I’m hoping they don’t get to that tomorrow.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Or maybe they just had had enough of the sequestration, the long arduous days in the court room in uncomfortable chairs, lack of access to loved ones, and their device(s), JG's laws over what is allowed on TV etc and simply said to h*ll with this, I'm out? Does anything preclude a juror from just walking out? I've never heard of it happening so its a serious question.

I’m pretty sure there would be legal consequences for walking out and not fulfilling civic duty. More likely, the judge would simply remove the disgruntled juror.

jmo

 

[m00c0w]

Who was supposed to be the expert?
Going to look them up.

Makes sense to have a bullet expert.

JAQ - Just asking a question.

William Tobin. He’s a forensic metallurgist.

JMO

 

[New Penny]

Is there another media reporting on this?? I just don't care for this particular media guy. He seems so....pro defense without saying it

DBM

 

[ClearAhead]

I'm surprised this wasn't considered prejudicial to the jury - him doing this in court for the jurors. MOO

Did the D even try to object on those grounds? Doubtful, if Rozzi was about to do the same thing.

 

[Warwick7]

Just reporting the facts, ma’am. Don’t shoot the messenger just because you don’t like the message.

JMO

No no no no! You are doing a great job. I'm sorry. I didnt mean you, I should have worked that differently. Again, I apologize.

 

[photographer4]

Did the D even try to object on those grounds? Doubtful, if Rozzi was about to do the same thing.

I've no idea given we have no actual public access to the trial as it happens and must rely on a select few media who gain entry to report back to us. I've learned to just wait until after midnight before I even share a link now because so many times now, wrong information has been shared initially and then updated / edited later on...

 

[Kudzuu]

EBM wrong quote

It's perfect - and an example to follow.

jmo

Yes. I remember how Harpootlian bullied that one lady witness. She looked beat down. IIRC she even allowed him to make her agree with him. I've dealt with my fair share of male bullies.

Women do not have to take it. Especially in a professional setting. We need more role models like this! OTOH it's not as easy to hate on the DA.

There are ways to get your point across without insulting the intelligence of a professional.

 

[steeltowngirl]

There are many people who don’t care that his mental state and medications received could have greatly influenced his “confessions”. As long as he said the words, that’s all that matters to them.

What a way of reminding the jury they never heard that sound in the video played for them…

That’s a very broad and dismissive statement to make. I will trust the medical folks involved in the case to help sort out the impact of his mental state on the validity of the confessions. I also feel that the sheer number of confessions adds weight to credibility. I have no reason to simply assume RA wasn’t being truthful if he chose to confess, or that medications made him delusional.

jmo

 

[Arkay]

BBM
This is what I call a calculated stroke of genius. It was loud and unnerving. Wowzer! What a way to bring this back around to how racking it was how the murderer threatened the girls into compliance.

What a way of reminding the jury they never heard that sound in the video played for them…

IMO——

While we have no solid proof yet that the pause between “guys” and “down the hill” was the sound of a gun racking, what we do know is that if it was, it would not sound the same as in court.

I presume all of us know the difference in volume between a loud sound indoors, an enclosed room which may echo, and the same sound outdoors where the sound waves will dissipate.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

@localguydonnie

Going through #Delphi trial pool notes that just came in before 4 o’clock…

Allen’s attorney Brad Rozzi during cross examination of Melissa Oberg, expert who pinned Allen’s gun as the source of the cartridge found near girl’s bodies…
R: An unspent round and fired round are two different things.
Oberg: They’re all loaded into a firearm the same way. Only difference is pressure. Ejector mark is ejector whether it’s fired or cycled. Firing process could use more research, but not the tool marking process
R: Could have been cycled through other firearm?
Oberg: It is possible.

Going through more notes (email compression makes the notes very tough to read)…
R: You can’t say with any certainty where it (new cartridge used in testing) came from before you got it?
Oberg: No.
R: You don’t have a photo of that round in your 14-page report.
Oberg: No, it was in my original notes.They talk about other rounds used in testing. Oberg chose to use the test fired round because it marked better than cycled rounds.
R: (Those) aren’t the same.
Oberg: “I don’t consider them different. They just didn’t mark as well.”•I think she’s referring to the test rounds that were cycled but again, pool notes are hard to read…



Rozzi continues to stress how the cycled crime scene cartridge and the test fired cartridge are not the same thing.

Oberg: “I will keep repeating it’s the same way (loading cartridge), it just has a different pressure.”They continue to talk about specific extractors, gun builds, the condition of Allen’s gun, the tool marking verification process, who would make the final call if there were differing opinions.
Rozzi asked if Allen’s gun condition could produce different markings in 2017 and 2022.
Oberg responded with “can’t say. Should be similarities.”
R: Fair for jury to draw its own conclusions based on photos of the test fired round?
Oberg: Yes.
State Objected.
Judge sustained…


When going back to the discussion of expert disagreements and verification and who would have final say over analysis…
R: “At the end of the day, it’s subjective.”
Oberg: “I don’t know how you objectively measure subjectivity.”
Oberg said she’s never had someone disagree with her analysis.

Court back in session. Will update this information once more is received.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1849912071561093217

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Never had someone disgree with her analysis? Well dear... now ya have! Mooo.

 

[MassGuy]

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Never had someone disgree with her analysis? Well dear... now ya have! Mooo.

She’s clearly referring to an expert who analyzes her conclusion. Of course she’s had someone disagree with her analysis in the countless trials she has testified in.

I doubt any defense attorney didn’t cross her, let alone 100 or whatever the number is.

This is silly.

 

[m00c0w]

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Never had someone disgree with her analysis? Well dear... now ya have! Mooo.

Not yet. We have attorneys, non-experts, asking probing questions. We will see if anyone relevant actually disagrees with her findings and can articulate why.

JMO

 

[shonyakay]

They seem to be going chronologically. My hope is they have witnesses prior to the confessions that can testify to behavioral changes or comments he made.

So I’m hoping they don’t get to that tomorrow.

They probably can knock all of that out at the beginning of the day and hopefully start into the confessions.

Isn't Kathy Allen going to testify for the state?

Nick M. already alluded that his confessions will contain the motive was to sexually assault. That he forced them across the creek. That he killed them with a box cutter - which I can guarantee was not in any of the discovery material he may have seen.
That the sticks were used to attempt to cover them. Not for any symbolic meaning.

 

[photographer4]

Not yet. We have attorneys, non-experts, asking probing questions. We will see if anyone relevant actually disagrees with her findings and can articulate why.

JMO

No I am saying at this point, **I** disagree with her analysis. Moo.

 

[photographer4]

She’s clearly referring to an expert who analyzes her conclusion. Of course she’s had someone disagree with her analysis in the countless trials she has testified in.

I doubt any defense attorney didn’t cross her, let alone 100 or whatever the number is.

This is silly.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[ClearAhead]

They probably can knock all of that out at the beginning of the day and hopefully start into the confessions.

Isn't Kathy Allen going to testify for the state?

Nick M. already alluded that his confessions will contain the motive was to sexually assault. That he forced them across the creek. That he killed them with a box cutter - which I can guarantee was not in any of the discovery material he may have seen.
That the sticks were used to attempt to cover them. Not for any symbolic meaning.

In chronological order, RA hasn’t been arrested yet.

 

[MassGuy]

In chronological order, RA hasn’t been arrested yet.

Ohhhh, really good point. So we need that recorded police interview as well. I think it was a couple hours long. That could take a while, especially with the detectives testifying about that.