Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #204

[shonyakay]

I don’t quite get what RA is inferring here. Seems as if he thinks his wife might be detained but why?

BBM
“Holeman said Allen did eventually confirm he was on the High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. They took a brief break during the interview. Holeman said he overheard Allen speaking with his wife, Kathy, telling her if she asked for a lawyer, they’d let her go.”

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Yeah. That's sus but I digress.

 

[ClearAhead]

Yeah. That's sus but I digress.

Even on his best days I’ve concluded he’s a few bricks short. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Continuing the interview, Allen told Holeman that he had a side holster and carried his firearm with one round in the chamber. He continued to deny ever knowing Libby and Abby or knowing how his bullet got there.

This jibes with the condition of his gun when it was recovered during that search warrant.

It also introduces another possibility about why that round was at the crime scene, one that other people have suggested but I didn’t really like until now.

The sounds on the video are going to be open to interpretation, but several people in the courtroom believe they heard him rack his gun during that initial encounter. This may be when he ejected that round from his gun, realized it, and put it in his pocket. Perhaps the girls weren’t moving fast enough and he did that to intimidate them into picking up the pace.

So he racks the gun, picks up the round, places it into his pocket, and it’s ultimately deposited at the murder scene when he bends over or something.

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[KentuckyMama]

We always said they let go when it lightnings. Lol

I grew up hearing the same "words of wisdom". The thing is though, once one the weight of a large dog clamps down on your boot.......you suddenly aren't so willing to patiently wait for a storm and hope it has lightning. All you can do is prey to every god you've ever heard of and make ridiculous promises if only you be released. Or...you shoot the beast. Even then, they don't immediately let go. They are spiteful shells of rage just looking to fight.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I don’t quite get what RA is inferring here. Seems as if he thinks his wife might be detained but why?

BBM
“Holeman said Allen did eventually confirm he was on the High Bridge on Feb. 13, 2017. They took a brief break during the interview. Holeman said he overheard Allen speaking with his wife, Kathy, telling her if she asked for a lawyer, they’d let her go.”

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He might have thought LE wanted her to discuss his whereabouts on 2/13/17. My guess is he didn’t want her saying anything separately to LE that might differ from what he told them.

jmo

 

[Cyber sleuth]

My guess is he didn’t want her saying anything separately to LE that might differ from what he told them.

jmo

Bingo.

 

[shonyakay]

Even on his best days I’ve concluded he’s a few bricks short. JMO

I was referring to the comment about KA. That's suspicious to me. Especially when you add that RA told her from prison that if it gets too much for her he'd tell LE everything.

 

[Kudzuu]

I was referring to the comment about KA. That's suspicious to me. Especially when you add that RA told her from prison that if it gets too much for her he'd tell LE everything.

What? How did I miss that!

 

[BUF]

The session ended with two questions from the jury. The first question asked if there was a way bridge to get where the girls were without crossing the bridge, and Holeman answered, “There’s an unapproved way.” Ultimately, Holeman said everyone was on the bridge.

The second question was if he knew if Libby’s dad was shouting for the girls. He said no.

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[Web_Sleuth]

What if RA really IS the victim of circumstances? The odds REALLY would have had to be against him on that day. Would it even be possible?

Just really seems impossible that someone with the exact same timeline and outfit would be in the video the girls took where they are clearly terrified and being ordered down the hill.

JMO

 

[Warwick1991]

Unspent Bullet - Bullet Expert

This is for those that know guns and bullets really well.

Just wondering shouldn't the bullet expert have used the same gun model as Richard Allen.

What's below has come up in a few places so got me thinking.

I feel that the same gun model should have been tested despite not knowing much about them.

The link at the bottom is from WRTV.


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LINK: Different Guns Tested Not Allen's.

JWTK = Just Wanting To Know.

Your link does not address the firearms testing, only other parts of the trial. Prior to arresting Allen, the ISP had tested other guns to find out whether they were associated with the cartridge found in the crime scene area. The other guns were found to be unrelated to the case, and were not of the same caliber or model. The objections by Allen's attorney relate to the testing methods used on Allen's .40 S&W P226 Sig Sauer. The cartridge found at the crime scene had been inserted into the chamber, but not fired. It had been ejected at some point. Ejection leaves tool marks on the cartridge case, usually made by the ejector and the extractor, which are standard parts of semiautomatic pistols. The process of a cartridge case moving through the pistol and being ejected is known as cycling. The cartridge found in the crime scene area had markings indicated that, although it was unfired, it had been cycled through a pistol, as it had marks that an ejector or an extractor (or both) would make.

Allen's defense attorney attempted to object to the testimony of the state's firearms examiner, Oberg, saying that she fired cartridges through Allen's pistol, and that the clearest markings were obtained only by firing the cartridges, not by cycling them through the pistol without firing them. Link: Delphi jurors hear from firearms expert about unspent round. Follow live

Another link: https://fox59.com/news/legal-expert-doubts-states-bullet-evidence-against-richard-allen/

Firing the cartridges through Allen's gun would obtain distinct markings on the case, but cycling and ejecting an unfired round was apparently inconsistent.

I own a number of pistols with similar characteristics, and I have noticed that while unloading cartridges, the marks left on the case might not be as distinct as the ones left by a fired cartridge. In my own experience, the marks left on the cases that were fired were always similar as far as location and pattern, but more distinct. However, I don't own a P226, and can't say one way or another what kind of markings it may make. To make matters more complex, pistols of same model may leave different markings.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Holeman stated that while troopers were searching his house, Richard Allen said “I don’t care, it’s over.” Holeman initially did not know what this meant, so Allen reportedly said the “interview explained it.”

Holeman then added that a trooper told Allen he was not a bad person. Allen responded to this, asking “What kind of good person would kill two girls?”

That trooper advised Allen he was free to leave. Allen said he was done but continued to talk, Holeman said. According to him, Allen then stated “You have all the evidence, just arrest me.”

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-trial-isp-lt-recounts-richard-allens-arrest-interviews/

 

[shonyakay]

What? How did I miss that!

It came out in the pre trial testimony from Detective Harshman during the 3 day hearings from July and August 2024.

It is on Page: 28

 

[arielilane]

I dont believe this has been posted yet.
https://x.com/davebangert
@davebangert

Delphi murder trial, Day 8, short Saturday session. Quick recap: DNA expert expected did not testify today, in favor of ISP Lt. Jerry Holeman, lead investigator on the murders of Libby German and Abby Williams. 1/


Holeman testified about his Oct 2022 interview with Richard Allen after a search of Allen’s home and ISP lab match between unspent bullet found at scene in 2017 and a pistol found at his home. 2/


Holeman testified that Allen denied involvement 20-25 times in that interview. Even after the detective lied — an interrogation technique— that eyewitnesses could ID him at Monon High Bridge Trail and that investigators had ID’d him in Bridge Guy video on Libby’s phone. 3/


Holeman said Allen said he didn’t know how and didn’t believe it was possible that a bullet at the scene could match his gun. Said Allen, who told investigators in 2017 he was on the trail that day, didn’t have his gun with him that day. 4/


Holeman told about an escalating interview: ‘I told him I thought he did it. He said, Take all your evidence and just arrest me.’Investigators took him into custody that day. 5/


Defense atty Andrew Baldwin grilled Holeman about why his claim that he reminded Allen about his Miranda rights and that he could leave at any point was cut off video of the interview. Baldwin: We have to take your word for it? 6/


Baldwin also questioned Holeman about lying to Allen, telling him the death penalty was on the table and asking him why he was going to drag his family through this, using all that to leverage a confession. 7/


Asked by Baldwin if he believed one person killed Abby and Libby in the timeline investigators came up with, Holeman said: ‘Without a doubt.’
More later.
@93wibc @localguydonnie http://basedinlafayette.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1850206344952914059

 

[Warwick7]

Not uncommon, especially if fishing from the bank or in or around river/creeks where encounters with wildlife can occur. Water sources and all. Coyotes, fox, raccoons, rattlesnakes, copperheads, child murderers.

Good point, but wouldn't you have more than one round in? There could be more than one coyote or more than one rattlesnake.
So what's the point in him saying he only carried one round, that absolutely makes no sense.

 

[Web_Sleuth]

“Baldwin asked Holeman if he knew about the hair found in Abby’s hand that wasn’t fully DNA tested until last week. Holeman responded that “timing and resources needed to be used in other areas“

What?? Why wouldn’t dna from the CS be a priority??

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[justtrish]

Does anyone else find this comment a little strange? Why would you need your gun fishing?

Guess it depends on what kind of fishing you plan to do. There are fish in the water and there are other fish.. that day he was on the MHB "watching fish", but not the kind in the water. IMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Continuing the interview, Allen told Holeman that he had a side holster and carried his firearm with one round in the chamber. He continued to deny ever knowing Libby and Abby or knowing how his bullet got there.

This jibes with the condition of his gun when it was recovered during that search warrant.

It also introduces another possibility about why that round was at the crime scene, one that other people have suggested but I didn’t really like until now.

The sounds on the video are going to be open to interpretation, but several people in the courtroom believe they heard him rack his gun during that initial encounter. This may be when he ejected that round from his gun, realized it, and put it in his pocket. Perhaps the girls weren’t moving fast enough and he did that to intimidate them into picking up the pace.

So he racks the gun, picks up the round, places it into his pocket, and it’s ultimately deposited at the murder scene when he bends over or something.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 8 live blog

The trial of Delphi murders suspect Richard Allen continues Saturday. Follow WISH-TV's live blog for updates.

www.wishtv.com

Probably when he moved Abby was it 6-8 feet? When it fell out pocket.

 

[KSwizzle]

The more this goes on the more I’m thinking even if RA is guilty they’re not proving it beyond a reasonable doubt

 

[WildHuncher]

Good point, but wouldn't you have more than one round in? There could be more than one coyote or more than one rattlesnake.
So what's the point in him saying he only carried one round, that absolutely makes no sense.

I think he meant that he didn’t use the “chamber empty” option, not that he carried an empty magazine. Chamber empty means you have one less round total capacity and you have to rack the slide once before commencing fire.