Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Momofthreeboys]

In this Daily Debrief, they said that copies of Dr Wala’s notes were handed out to each juror so they could follow along with her testimony. Wonder if they will have these in the jury deliberation room.

They also said when she was being crossed and all that came out about her following the case, one juror had an expression on her face with her mouth open.

I believe it was reported they have folders that contain copies of information and yes they have access to everything testified to during deliberations and at least in most states can send questions to the judge during deliberations.

 

[Skigh]

In my amateur opinion he’d been fantasizing about sa with young girl(s) for a very long time and that day decided to act on it. Who knows what he's done in the past and just was never caught? moo

If his own admission of abusing his sister is true,then I find it inconceivable that he had not been involved in sexual assaults before Delphi. I do wonder if he has been part of paedophile ring.

 

[steeltowngirl]

What people thought they saw wouldn't be material to the importance of what was said. If RA relayed in his confession that he saw a corndog with chocolate sauce on it tied to a balloon, and those words were in a chat group that had stated that, then it would be.

Not sure what you mean here, but I will have another go at rereading after I have more coffee.

 

[minor4th]

I am wondering if in one of RA's confessions he admits to destroying a piece of evidence.

There has to be a reason the defense asked potential jurors how they would feel if a defendant destroyed evidence.

Maybe the box cutter he said he threw away?

 

[WildHuncher]

You know whose opinion matters to RA?

God's? No, he sold out. He decided to forego eternity in order to have his wife's/mom's support in this world.

It's theirs.

RA doesn't likey being alone. Probably a dark love/hate relationship with the women in his life, but that's a couch for a different day.

"I didn't do what I said I did."

IMO RA continues to hold details back as well as minimize what he did.

He's still keeping secrets.

That is one ugly soul.

JMO

RA is a no-conscience psychopath.

I was just musing on what people do when they’re totally sure no one is watching.

Norman Bates was a baby in reverse. (Fiction, yeah, but he rings true.) A baby is all desire, no inhibitions. Normy had so much of his mother in his head that his own self eventually disappeared. Thus, not all Freudian superego is good. However, a healthy self-image, your own picture of the kind of person you are, will stop you from scratching the itches you see as wrong even when you might.

But RA just doesn’t have that. He’s learned to fake it—one must to stay out of trouble. Take away the fear factor and he will just scratch any itch, anywhere. Some people’s installation comes missing a module or two.

All MOO

 

[tlcya]

Upon cross-examination, things got heated between Weber and defense attorney Andrew Baldwin:
Baldwin: "You didn’t drive straight home from work on Feb. 13."
Weber: "That’s not correct."
Baldwin: "You told law enforcement on Feb. 17 or Feb. 18 you went and worked on your ATM machines."
Weber: "I said I dropped off a trailer."
Baldwin: "That was earlier in the day. You went and worked on your ATM machines."
Weber: "(Starts yelling) That’s not correct! No!"
Baldwin then handed Weber a subpoena and Weber stormed out.

'I just want to sign my confession' | Prison psychologist describes Richard Allen's alleged confessions | Day 11 of Delphi murders trial

Seven years after Libby German and Abby Williams were killed, the trial continues for the man accused of murdering them.

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I get BW's irritation. He's likely seen all the hubbub about the, how many are we up to now, 8? different SODDIs DT has defamed in multiple court filings which are publicly available and sees that big black train of blame headed his way.

I can already see the DT now: Dearest Jury, BW was there, by his own admission, right near where the girls' bodies were found, he knows the area well, lives nearby, his cell records put him there, who's to say BW isn't the killer and not my client?

 

[SouthEnd]

DBM - question already answered up-thread

 

[AugustWest]

Not sure what you mean here, but I will have another go at rereading after I have more coffee.

I may need another cup to use a better way of explaining it!

The words used in the crime group, aka chocolate sauce corndog balloon written in a chat group, then RA saying those exact same words could be evidence of his exposure to that information. The accuracy of the words used in the chat group would not be as material as the exact wording.

 

[minor4th]

I worry that it is going to get very difficult to have any confidence in jury trials when people outside the trial are mobilising huge audiences around conspiracies, assisted by insiders. It doesn't matter what 'bombshell' drops, there is simply a new way to rationalise it - like any conspiracy.

Anyone is welcome to believe RA has not been proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt (so far), but pushing the idea the guy is factually innocent and the victim of a vast conspiracy - it's just too much IMO, and a very bad sign attorneys are involved in it.

The D and it's surrogates have pushed many angles they knew were untrue, starting with the hair conspiracy at opening. Surrogates were prepped and fuelled it.

I'll leave the topic for post verdict, but I do hope there is some reckoning for all this, not least for those who boosted a probable child killer to everyday folks who trusted them.

My opinion only.

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

 

[AugustWest]

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

1000% this.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I wish I knew a statistician.
I would love to know the odds of RA fabricating a made-up confession, in any state of mind, that included a van…..and the fact that an actual van rambled close to where the crime was happening.
Astronomical I would imagine.

 

[WildHuncher]

I am wondering if in one of RA's confessions he admits to destroying a piece of evidence.

There has to be a reason the defense asked potential jurors how they would feel if a defendant destroyed evidence.

He discarded a box cutter (the murder weapon). His 2017 phone is unaccounted for. The fate of BG’s clothing and the mud and blood thereon is also unknown. There could be other things.

 

[wtiger]

In my amateur opinion he’d been fantasizing about sa with young girl(s) for a very long time and that day decided to act on it. Who knows what he's done in the past and just was never caught? moo

if he was an experienced abuser then surely he'd know that throat slashing isn't gonna prolong his own enjoyment of having his prey captive?

the whole scene smacks more of a totally inexperienced chancer who got into a position he had fantasized about then panicked because he didn't know what to do next.

i can well believe that after a few drinks it all seemed like such a good idea to him.......until he actually began to put his fantasy into motion - then stuff got real and he panicked

 

[mrjitty]

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

which is fine. but the hair conspiracy was not that. nor the rope. i could go on.

 

[minor4th]

which is fine. but the hair conspiracy was not that. nor the rope. i could go on.

Some attorneys go a bit far at times.

 

[technicallymissing]

If the defense goes after BW hard, the jury is going to be turned off, imo. That tactic will make the defense look desperate and mean.

jmopinion

This defense team, being bizzarely unconcerned at coming off desperate and mean??

 

[Tortoise]

It's being talked about here. He allegedly got a package from the attorneys in the early March. No one knows how much disclosure case file he had at that time other than it was reported that it seems to disturb him and seems to predate his lapse into the severe psychosis or at least that is what I'm reading here based on posts.

I suppose without further clarity on this, from RA, the jury is going to be left to think he probably hadn't been given all of that information by his attorneys.

The defense questioning of Wala seemed to be imputing that she was feeding him information, which would further seem to imply that it wasn't from discovery he received. Also their questioning of van man seems to want to have him not there at that time, which also points away from it being factual information contained within the discovery. I don't see why all this would be necessary if they can just say RA was retrofitting his confessions to the discovery.

 

[StarryStarryNight]

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

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All of us want RA to have a fair trial. In my opinion, it’s his attorneys that are stifling a fair trial with their lies and half-truths they have fostered once they realized their client was most likely, guilty.

 

[Inthedetails]

In one of the recaps I listened to it mentioned he was visiting his mom and his mom and sister were going out to eat lunch and he didn't want to go so he wanted to go home instead. He stopped to get a 6 pack and drank 3 on the way home. He got bundled up and went to the trail. He saw Abby and Libby and he thought they were older like 18-19 and he followed them. He said something like he did realize later they could be younger.

It sounds like to me this was random in how he ended up at the trail and they happened to walk past him and he thought they were older so..

I don't believe for a second he thought they were older. Those girls looked and acted their age. I think he said that because it's safer for him in prison if he attacked women not girls.

jmo

 

[WildHuncher]

I don't believe for a second he thought they were older. Those girls looked and acted their age. I think he said that because it's safer for him in prison if he attacked women not girls.

jmo

“I swear she LOOKED 18, Your Honor!”

Bad enough when that plea is attempted to excuse statutory rape.