Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[FrostedGlass]

I get anxiety when someone at work tells me they want to talk, even if I know 100% I have done nothing wrong. Getting interrogated by a loud attorney on the stand... Can't imagine it is a 'no-anxiety' situation.

All MOO

Well, he did know it was coming and the P should have prepared him for it. If he's telling the truth, there's nothing to get up about. Yelling while on the witness stand isn't a good look.
IMO

 

[MiniMoo]

Cicero said more or less that Libby may have been dragged 20 feet to her final position - if so I'm wondering were there any noticeable drag marks on the ground, also, was there anything observed on the underside or side of her body indicative of being dragged?

Not seeing anything on that - not yet anyhow.

JMO MOO JMT

Link: Delphi Trial : Cicero

 

[MrsWatson]

Well, he did know it was coming and the P should have prepared him for it. If he's telling the truth, there's nothing to get up about. Yelling while on the witness stand isn't a good look.
IMO

Serving a subpoena to someone on the stand as the D did is also not a good look, imo.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Does it matter where he lived? He's' not a suspect or even a POI.

Not so much. What does matter if he tells the truth about things; it goes to credibility.
MOO

 

[Spartygirl]

I say this with all sincerity and I hope it is received that way.

There seem to be a number of our fellow posters who have long maintained that RA was innocent, but after the new revelations have come to believe he is indeed the murderer. Tricia’s poll supports this and several posters have explained their change in reasoning as the newest evidence (RA’s confessions, his seeing a white van, his car being the match for the car that was at the bridge) have come to light.

None of us, I’m sure, are here because we want to be “right.”

We ALL, I believe, are here because we desperately want Abby’s and Libby’s killer to be found guilty, which would be the only speck of justice they can have anymore.

We ALL, I believe, want the German and Williams families to have whatever relief a guilty verdict will afford them.

It is a challenge when any of us are presented with facts, not rumor or innuendo, but solid evidence that forces us to change our way of thinking.

None of us know how the jury will decide on its verdict, a verdict I must accept, especially as the jurors seem to be very engaged in the process.

We will all find out together when the time comes for the jury’s finding, but I just wanted to express my admiration for the open minds that are apparent here.

I believe I long ago had an open mind, unsure about BG’s identity, until the day that RA was brought into the light.

It is the evidence that tells the true narrative and the jury’s burden to come to a unanimous verdict.

Time will tell.

JMO and appreciation for my fellow WSers.

Here!! Here !!!
Well said @Arkay,

 

[mrjitty]

I worry that it is going to get very difficult to have any confidence in jury trials when people outside the trial are mobilising huge audiences around conspiracies, assisted by insiders. It doesn't matter what 'bombshell' drops, there is simply a new way to rationalise it - like any conspiracy.

Anyone is welcome to believe RA has not been proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt (so far), but pushing the idea the guy is factually innocent and the victim of a vast conspiracy - it's just too much IMO, and a very bad sign attorneys are involved in it.

The D and it's surrogates have pushed many angles they knew were untrue, starting with the hair conspiracy at opening. Surrogates were prepped and fuelled it.

I'll leave the topic for post verdict, but I do hope there is some reckoning for all this, not least for those who boosted a probable child killer to everyday folks who trusted them.

My opinion only.

 

[Vaderman]

I'm with you... am also a recovering alcoholic with 25+ years sobriety.

As you very well know yourself, drinkers like us who have a problem often minimize how many we have drunk. I did that to my wife, when I said I had 2 glassed of wine.. it was really more like 6 or 7.

I highly doubt he had only 3 beers. His tolerance would have been high and 3 probably wouldn't even move the needle for him.

Yep, absolutely. And when I read/hear he had "six beers", my mind immediately assumed six of the "tall boys", not just the standard beer can.

 

[arielilane]

@KaitlynReports

Day 12 in #Delphi - we are going to hear recorded phone call conversations Richard Allen made while at the Westville correctional facility. Updates to follow
pic credit: Li Buszka

https://twitter.com/x/status/1851958822690054423

 

[WildHuncher]

The new poll is up.
Here are the results of the polls in the past few days.
Nothing seems to be really changing anyone's mind yet.

CLICK HERE TO TAKE THE NEW WEBSLEUTHS DELPHI POLL
At the end of court on 10/30 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 80.2%
Guilty but had help 0.0%
Not Guilty 9.1%
I don't know 10.7%

At the end of court on 10/29 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 63.4%
Guilty but had help 1.4%
Not Guilty 15.5%
I don't know 19.7%

At the end of court on 10/28 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 60.5%
Guilty but had help 2.3%
Not Guilty 12.8%
I don't know 24.4%

At the end of court on 10/26 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 69.6
Guilty but had help 3.2%
Not Guilty 12.0%
I don't know 15.2%

At the end of court on 10/25 the results are;
Guilty 72.1%
Not Guilty 8.6%
I don't know 19.3

At the end of court on 10/24/24 the results are;
Guilty 68.1%
Not Guilty 9.4%
I Don't Know 22.5%

That’s the kind of healthy movement I was looking for after yesterday’s testimony. And the D still has what looks to be its toughest two hours yet when RA’s own voice is played this morning.

 

[FrostedGlass]

Serving a subpoena to someone on the stand as the D did is also not a good look, imo.

MOO I disagree.
Has it been reported if the judge admonished him for doing that?

 

[SouthEnd]

MOO I disagree.
Has it been reported if the judge admonished him for doing that?

Did the judge admonish the witness for getting agitated? There is no need for double standards. Both BW getting agitated and AB serving a subpoena while angry can be bad looks, IMO

 

[MassGuy]

Serving a subpoena to someone on the stand as the D did is also not a good look, imo.

The old poker adage is “strength means weakness, and weakness means strength.”

On its surface, that move wreaks weakness. It was a showy display designed to imply to the jury that the defense was holding a huge hand.

No reason to advertise it that early.

 

[Inthedetails]

I worry that it is going to get very difficult to have any confidence in jury trials when people outside the trial are mobilising huge audiences around conspiracies, assisted by insiders. It doesn't matter what 'bombshell' drops, there is simply a new way to rationalise it - like any conspiracy.

Anyone is welcome to believe RA has not been proven guilty beyond any reasonable doubt (so far), but pushing the idea the guy is factually innocent and the victim of a vast conspiracy - it's just too much IMO, and a very bad sign attorneys are involved in it.

The D and it's surrogates have pushed many angles they knew were untrue, starting with the hair conspiracy at opening. Surrogates were prepped and fuelled it.

I'll leave the topic for post verdict, but I do hope there is some reckoning for all this, not least for those who boosted a probable child killer to everyday folks who trusted them.

My opinion only.

I don't think the jury is swayed by what internet conspiracy theorists are spouting.

There is a troubling uptick in absurdities people believe, but I still think that circle is small and most citizens are not even aware of what true-crime community theorizes.

The jury seems very attentive in this case, as evidenced by their questions that are grounded in reality and in the testimony.

I still have faith the jury system.

jmopinion

 

[FrostedGlass]

Did the judge admonish the witness for getting agitated? There is no need for double standards. Both BW getting agitated and AB serving a subpoena while angry can be bad looks, IMO

Sorry for the confusion. I was asking if the judge admonished AB. Admittedly, I am surprised she didn't admonish both of them.

 

[arielilane]

13 Things To Know From The #Delphi Murders Trial Today - Oct 30

1. Devastating testimony today against Richard Allen. Unlike the relatively generic confessions that corrections officers discussed Tues, today jurors heard about far more detailed statements made by Allen.


2. Dr. Monica Wala, the head psychologist at Westville Correctional Facility while Richard Allen was there for 13 months, read from her clinical notes that detailed her conversations while treating Allen. She told the jury about multiple confessions, but one clearly stood out.



3. Wala said Allen described his actions on the day of the murders. Said he went to his parent’s home, then got a 6-pack of beer on his way back & drank 3 cans before he bundled up & went to the trails. That’s where he saw Abby & Libby and followed them to the Monon High bridge.



4. She said Allen recalled “doing something” with his gun, which he thought might explain how a cartridge ended up at the crime scene. He said he then told the girls to go down the hill, where he planned to sexually assault them. But he said he saw a van pass nearby & got scared.


5. Wala said Allen told her he then instructed the girls to cross the creek & he “cut their necks,” making sure they were dead before covering their bodies w branches & returning to his car, staying off the trail to avoid people. Jurors got Wala’s notes so they could read along.


6. Wala said Allen also asked her to listen as RA called his wife to confess to her. She said Cathy Allen replied “stop saying that.” Then RA said “I didn’t do everything I said I did but I did kill Abby & Libby.” A day earlier, he told Wala “I just want to sign my confession.”



7. Dpty prosecutor Stacy Diener asked Wala to read sections of her clinical notes showing Allen seemed to be in a sound mental state at the time of the confessions. The jury heard Wala’s notations that Allen confessed in a “concise” & “chronological” manner & seemed remorseful…



8. Sections of Wala’s notes highlighted by the State also included the psychologist telling the jury that Allen did not seem to be psychotic, that his anxiety & depression appeared to be improved, and that he might be “faking” signs of mental health problems.


9. But other entries she read to jurors showed just the opposite: RA eating his own feces, rolling naked on the floor of his cell, banging his head on the wall hard enough to cause 2 black eyes. A day before his confession, she wrote he was suicidal w intense anguish & anxiety.


10. And on cross exam, the defense highlighted portions of her clinical notes showing she diagnosed Allen w “serious mental illness.” She acknowledged he was “a fragile man” who had an abrupt occurrence of psychotic behavior & said he might not have faked mental issues at all.


11. Feeling confused by all that? I was too. Was Allen crazy when he made his confessions or wasn’t he? The jury will have to sort that out.The defense also had Wala detail the extreme prison conditions Allen was held in, exacerbating his existing anxiety & depression.


12. And the defense attacked Wala’s credibility, pointing out her obsession with Delphi Murders podcasts & his case (which she discussed with Allen WHILE SHE WAS TREATING HIM ) and her inappropriate & unprofessional conduct that eventually got her removed from the the prison.



To hear more about Dr. Wala’s unusual conduct, as well as a shocking courtroom outburst by the state’s final witness of the day, check out tonight’s in-depth Delphi Debrief with @EmilyWTHR, 13News Legal Analyst Katie Jackson-Lindsay & me. See you tomorrow. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uhGcyI_81CI
@BobSegallWTHR

 

[Elley Mae]

Serving a subpoena to someone on the stand as the D did is also not a good look, imo.

I wonder how the jurors took it.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Exactly... I think some of his 'confessions' about his interest in minors were almost, suicidal in nature.

Suicidal and homicidal, imo. I truly believe his wife could easily have been his next victim in a murder-suicide, had he not been apprehended.

Miller went on to say Allen said on April 9, 2023, at 6:56 a.m., " I only killed them to give my family more time to be free."

Delphi murders suspect allegedly told psychologist he wanted to apologize to Abby, Libby's families

"I killed Abby and Libby. I am sorry." is what the suspect reportedly told a clinical psychologist while in jail.

abc7ny.com

 

[WildHuncher]

Great post.

How was he able to go through all of that discovery he had access to in such a short time? If he made up his confession based on the discovery, he would have had to research it, compile it in chronological order, and then concoct a believable story that fits the timeline and corroborates details (i.e interruption/creek crossing), all the while he was completely out of his mind at the time according to the defense.

Yeah, not buying what they are selling and neither will the jury imo.

The entire defense team still had not had time to review that discovery several months after getting it. This was lamented in IIRC at least two motions to postpone the trial. OK, they were very busy writing Lovecraftian novels during those months.

 

[Niner]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

9 a.m.​

News 8’s Kyla Russell is back in Delphi for continuing coverage of the double murder trial of Richard Allen.


According to pool notes shared with News 8, the jury is expected to hear two hours of audio during Thursday’s session. It is set to begin at 9 a.m.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

I don't think the jury is swayed by what internet conspiracy theorists are spouting.

There is a troubling uptick in absurdities people believe, but I still think that circle is small and most citizens are not even aware of what true-crime community theorizes.

The jury seems very attentive in this case, as evidenced by their questions that are grounded in reality and in the testimony.

I still have faith the jury system.

jmopinion

Agreed- I think most citizens are not true crime aficionados and that the jury system functions as intended the majority of the time- moo