Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[justtrish]

I think he's been doing things for her to sweep for a long time, not just in that phone call. Speculation, not fact.

jmo

The way he was talking to her in that interview room (we got that second hand of course, but the words spoken indicate some control language IMO).. You know me. I know you know me. I can't believe you think I did this. To me in my non expert opinion, this is saying to her whatever her thinking is or her doubts or questions are are wrong and he can't believe she would think that.

We were told he came forward because she encouraged him too.. so she likely had no idea what really happened when she said that.. she likely believed in him then. I can believe she thought he must be cleared because nobody ever came to talk to him again. If she did have suspicions did she push them down because he did talk to LE? Maybe.. But in that interview room when she says, you told me you weren't on the bridge.

So did she think it was him and ask him once that photo came out? Did he say I was there, but it can't be me because I wasn't on the bridge? Either way he lied to her because he was on the bridge, which he later admitted to being out to the first platform. So she has reason to doubt him and his statements are trying to guilt her for her thinking. Nobody was torturing him then when he lied to his wife then and she realized it and said something. His response.. I know you know me as if that should account for the lie she now knows he told her.. logical question would be then how did his bullet get there.. why should she believe him if she just caught him in one lie?

Anyway, interesting dynamic there and maybe by the end of the trial we will know more of these pieces.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes. We know there’s at least one they want to play when they get the ball.

Good. More time to hear his voice.

jmo

 

[tlcya]

I guess the defense might play some calls where he declares his innocence later? MOO

yes, apparently Judge Gull told the defense when denying their objection to the calls introduced by the state that if they wanted to introduce calls wherein RA declared his innocence they were welcome to do so but the onus is not on the state to do it for them.

 

[mrjitty]

it amazing how with this one insight from the killer it now all makes sense.

why they were naked but then redressed
why he crossed the stream
why there is no sign of rape

sadly we had to live through a wild hoaxing about an odinist based on no evidence.

 

[scapa]

I've actually been disappointed by the youtubers I thought were the "good ones." Is the ACLU or other such organizations concerned about Allen's trial? Serious question that just occurred to me. IDK.

jmo

I'd wondered similarly, particularly since I know very little about how, for example, amicus and sub judice rules apply in the US.

I was pretty shocked by the seeming ethical violations and also the diagnostic elasticity of the clinical psych yesterday --distinctly at odds with the oath and professional obligations I hold dear, and I'm baffled by how she seems to have been approved as an expert witness, in light of qualifications and ongoing investigations. A witness, perhaps, but an expert? She seems to have vacillated between diagnoses of RA as genuinely experiencing psychosis and "faking" symptoms of same, the shredding of original notes as a standard of her clinical practice (!!! I shared this one with my surgical colleagues), listening in on phone calls and the apparent recanting or reframing of substantial parts of her original diagnosis.

Yes, the confessions are damning but should she ever have testified? Again, not a lawyer but struck me as a properly contentious topic.

It's an odd thing. I think RA is almost certainly BG and almost certainly guilty. But so much about this case and trial seems wayward from the POV of evenhandeness. Is this feeling illusory? Or are there genuine issues with the way this case and trial are being handled (setting aside the theatrics and hyperbolic narratives, etc)?

 

[KSwizzle]

Those are definitely confessions, I'm not going to argue as to whether he was in the right state of mind or did he know information before.

I will point out though that it's odd they allowed Harshman to testify that it is RA's voice on the snapchat video. Is Harshman an expert on voice recognition? Is there even such a thing? At best he should only be allowed to say he thinks they're similar, why did the judge allow that

 

[MassGuy]

Those are definitely confessions, I'm not going to argue as to whether he was in the right state of mind or did he know information before.

I will point out though that it's odd they allowed Harshman to testify that it is RA's voice on the snapchat video. Is Harshman an expert on voice recognition? Is there even such a thing? At best he should only be allowed to say he thinks they're similar, why did the judge allow that

That’s simply his interpretation after listening to hours and hours of recorded phone calls.

You can bet the jury will trust their own interpretation, likely comparing both sources over and over in the deliberation room.

 

[shonyakay]

Those are definitely confessions, I'm not going to argue as to whether he was in the right state of mind or did he know information before.

I will point out though that it's odd they allowed Harshman to testify that it is RA's voice on the snapchat video. Is Harshman an expert on voice recognition? Is there even such a thing? At best he should only be allowed to say he thinks they're similar, why did the judge allow that

My best guess would be because Harshman was the one detective assigned to listen to hundreds upon hundreds of Allen's phone calls while incarcerated. If anyone knows Richard Allen's voice, (besides people who know him) it's him.

 

[tlcya]

Harshman was allowed to opine on whether he thought the voice belonged to RA, but I don't believe he was asked to give an expert opinion and I don't believe the state presented him as an expert of anything.

 

[Arkay]

I’m absorbing the many different reactions to KA’s role in this.

I have very, very mixed emotions about her reactions to this tragedy.

Yes, she’s possibly an enabler by trying to convince RA that the prosecution and LE are just playing tricks on him.

But——she’s his wife and the mother of his child.

I think primarily she is a victim of RA’s as well, if she had NO IDEA of his proclivities and genuinely believes he is being set up to take the fall.

We can only surmise but cannot know about their married life before all this.
They may have had a completely normal marital sex life and she had no knowledge that he was in fact so perverted. Or maybe he’d told her about abuse he suffered and committed and she forgave him.

IMO she certainly did not bargain for a husband who would kidnap, SA, and murder two young girls, so she’s in denial about it all.

I have no idea, I keep vacillating, but I think on the whole I perceive her to be a victim of a husband whom she never really knew, with an unquenchable desire to go back to how things were before the murders.

Just my confused opinions.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

The new poll is up.
Here are the results of the polls in the past few days.
Nothing seems to be really changing anyone's mind yet.

CLICK HERE TO TAKE THE NEW WEBSLEUTHS DELPHI POLL
At the end of court on 10/30 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 80.2%
Guilty but had help 0.0%
Not Guilty 9.1%
I don't know 10.7%

At the end of court on 10/29 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 63.4%
Guilty but had help 1.4%
Not Guilty 15.5%
I don't know 19.7%

At the end of court on 10/28 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 60.5%
Guilty but had help 2.3%
Not Guilty 12.8%
I don't know 24.4%

At the end of court on 10/26 the results are;
Guilty and acted alone 69.6
Guilty but had help 3.2%
Not Guilty 12.0%
I don't know 15.2%

At the end of court on 10/25 the results are;
Guilty 72.1%
Not Guilty 8.6%
I don't know 19.3

At the end of court on 10/24/24 the results are;
Guilty 68.1%
Not Guilty 9.4%
I Don't Know 22.5%

Thank you, Tricia, for helping us to compare the poll stats for the last several days! <3

 

[MassGuy]

oh boy

#UPDATE: About 20 minutes into the afternoon session of the Delphi trial there’s been a hiccup of some kind.Started when Prosecutor McLeland asked the witness about a video of Mr. Allen in the Cass County Jail where he apparently became irate and was banging on his cell door.

The witness, Master Trooper Harshman, viewed the video over lunch. It apparently has Mr. Allen saying “I’m going to kill you” to the guards. Defense Attorney, Brad Rozzi objected, and said the video was not in discovery.There was a sidebar with Judge Gull.

When they returned from their sidebar Judge Gull sent the jury out. It appears as though she is giving the defense team time to review the video. We’ll see what happens next, court reconvenes at 2:15 PM

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852048681190437142

 

[mrjitty]

At least one thing seems clear. RA was under suicide watch for good reason.

 

[Notthisshipsister]

He didn't care how old they were, though he purposely didn't follow a grown woman who was alone on the trail that day. He wanted young victims, imo.

jmo

I agree. I think that an older woman-- even someone 18, 19 years old-- would have given him more of a run for his money, fending him off, than two young, helpless girls.

 

[MassGuy]

Cass County Jail is being where he's held now?

 

[mrjitty]

does anyone remember the content of RAs admission at Wabash in Feb of this year?

 

[KSwizzle]

Harshman was allowed to opine on whether he thought the voice belonged to RA, but I don't believe he was asked to give an expert opinion and I don't believe the state presented him as an expert of anything.

I don't think he opined though, from the WishTV blog it seems like he's saying it as fact.

This is why it's so frustrating they're not broadcasting this

 

[hooziewhutz]

I will never understand him confessing and the person he trusted most in the world just completely dismissing him.

Moo

Denial, legitimately, and dare I say expected.

 

[cbeagle]

Based on the updates from court that @MassGuy just posted, I think this white van is very indicative that nobody knew about the color of this vehicle until the detective read the report in August of 2024 and went back to BW to clarify what vehicle he drove. I'd say RA confirmed a key detail that wouldn't have even been something that could be leaked prior to him mentioning it.

Did RA say "white" - the wishtv blog doesn't mention "white", maybe it's in other reports?

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

 

[minor4th]

I'd wondered similarly, particularly since I know very little about how, for example, amicus and sub judice rules apply in the US.

I was pretty shocked by the seeming ethical violations and also the diagnostic elasticity of the clinical psych yesterday --distinctly at odds with the oath and professional obligations I hold dear, and I'm baffled by how she seems to have been approved as an expert witness, in light of qualifications and ongoing investigations. A witness, perhaps, but an expert? She seems to have vacillated between diagnoses of RA as genuinely experiencing psychosis and "faking" symptoms of same, the shredding of original notes as a standard of her clinical practice (!!! I shared this one with my surgical colleagues), listening in on phone calls and the apparent recanting or reframing of substantial parts of her original diagnosis.

Yes, the confessions are damning but should she ever have testified? Again, not a lawyer but struck me as a properly contentious topic.

It's an odd thing. I think RA is almost certainly BG and almost certainly guilty. But so much about this case and trial seems wayward from the POV of evenhandeness. Is this feeling illusory? Or are there genuine issues with the way this case and trial are being handled (setting aside the theatrics and hyperbolic narratives, etc)?

I don’t know how to snip a post so maybe mods can help me out.

To answer your last question -yes there are very serious issues about whether RA is receiving a fair trial. Your observations are on point!