Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Betty P]

Those are definitely confessions, I'm not going to argue as to whether he was in the right state of mind or did he know information before.

I will point out though that it's odd they allowed Harshman to testify that it is RA's voice on the snapchat video. Is Harshman an expert on voice recognition? Is there even such a thing? At best he should only be allowed to say he thinks they're similar, why did the judge allow that

We're only hearing it from the notes of the reporter who wrote it. There will probably be more clarification in later reports. It's been a common problem with this trial, poor communications from the courtroom to the public.

 

[minor4th]

That’s simply his interpretation after listening to hours and hours of recorded phone calls.

You can bet the jury will trust their own interpretation, likely comparing both sources over and over in the deliberation room.

Confirmation bias, possibly. I don’t think a lay witness should be able to give that kind of testimony. And I don’t think the detectives should have been allowed to give their interpretation of what was said and heard on the cell phone video. That is quite irregular and highly prejudicial.

 

[Betty P]

Did RA say "white" - the wishtv blog doesn't mention "white", maybe it's in other reports?

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

www.wishtv.com

So far, I've seen at least 2 reports that said "white". Pretty sure I also recall a couple mentions of a white van yesterday when they were reporting on the testimony of the prison psychologist and his confessions.

Delphi Double Murder Trial Day 11: Allen's former psychologist takes the stand

DELPHI, Ind. (WLFI) – Day 11 of the Delphi double homicide trial for Richard Allen, accused of the 2017 murders of Abigail Williams and Liberty German, got underway Wednesday.

www.wlfi.com

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/delphi-murders-witness-testimony-may-lend-legitimacy-to-richard-allens-prison-confession/

 

[oviedo]

does anyone remember the content of RAs admission at Wabash in Feb of this year?

? This?
Later, officer Jason Bedwell, at the Wabash Valley Correctional Facility, said Allen made another statement earlier this year that he was sorry for what he did, and that he killed the girls.

Jurors hear about Richard Allen's prison confessions in Delphi trial

Jurors watched two video interrogations of Richard Allen, one on Oct. 13, 2022 and another on Oct. 26, 2022, the same day Allen was arrested.

www.indystar.com

 

[Inthedetails]

I’m absorbing the many different reactions to KA’s role in this.

I have very, very mixed emotions about her reactions to this tragedy.

Yes, she’s possibly an enabler by trying to convince RA that the prosecution and LE are just playing tricks on him.

But——she’s his wife and the mother of his child.

I think primarily she is a victim of RA’s as well, if she had NO IDEA of his proclivities and genuinely believes he is being set up to take the fall.

We can only surmise but cannot know about their married life before all this.
They may have had a completely normal marital sex life and she had no knowledge that he was in fact so perverted. Or maybe he’d told her about abuse he suffered and committed and she forgave him.

IMO she certainly did not bargain for a husband who would kidnap, S.A. and murder two young girls, so she’s in denial about it all.

I have no idea, I keep vacillating, but I think on the whole I perceive her to be a victim of a husband whom she never really knew, with an unquenchable desire to go back to how things were before the murders.

Just my confused opinions.

I think she was a pillar who held up that marriage and held up her husband, too. I think she might have known he had issues but in no way do I think she knew the extent of his depravities. Whatever the case, he had a wife who was (and is) willing to stick with him through better or worse and he utterly betrayed her and derailed her life.

jmo

 

[Skigh]

That’s simply his interpretation after listening to hours and hours of recorded phone calls.

You can bet the jury will trust their own interpretation, likely comparing both sources over and over in the deliberation room.

If Harshman recognised RA's voice from the video clip of bridge guy,is it not likely that his wife would also have recognised it.?

 

[TristanP]

Fair trial - am all for that!. 150%

JMO MOO JMT

Me too. These jurors are sharp. They're paying attention to all the details, and I am 100% sure they're going to issue the right verdict.

 

[minor4th]

Oh my, you must be behind.
Richard Allen is completely lucid when he is not faking:
>>

Kathy says “you’re not well.” Allen says “I’m well, yes. I am honey.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

There is the Dependence Personality Syndrome on display where KA is dominate.

When RA is with those who listen to him and let him speak he admits to the crime in detail to them.

https://fox59.com/delphi-trial/i-ju...unt-of-delphi-murders-to-prison-psychologist/

all imo

I totally disagree. He seemed completely chaotic and detached from reality in those phone calls. A crazy man saying he is well means nothing. Did you not the multitudes of statements he made about losing his mind and saying he doesn’t understand?

 

[MassGuy]

Confirmation bias, possibly. I don’t think a lay witness should be able to give that kind of testimony. And I don’t think the detectives should have been allowed to give their interpretation of what was said and heard on the cell phone video. That is quite irregular and highly prejudicial.

Is he really a lay witness though? He's the investigator charged with listening to all of Allen's phone calls (700 hours worth if I remember correctly). He'd be very familiar with Allen's voice based on that.

Regardless, I can't fathom a juror simply taking his word for it. They'll listen and likely argue over their own analysis amongst themselves.

 

[detectivewannab]

both Richard and Kathy seem like Alpha manipulators. also she is not in classic denial..she is focused on the outcome she wants at any cost. so she kind of seems like doesn't care what he did...she is only pretending this whole business of you are not well, etc. alcoholism can be a factor in this behavior...mOO

She is also a victim of his if she truly did not know.

 

[tlcya]

I don't think he opined though, from the WishTV blog it seems like he's saying it as fact.

This is why it's so frustrating they're not broadcasting this

Harshman says “van was on that road between 2:27 p.m. and 2:30 p.m. He tells the jury he recognizes the voice from Allen’s jail phone calls, and that the voice is the same as bridge guy.

IMO the above is his opinion, as someone who has listened to hundreds of hours of RA's voice, and the jury will give his opinion the weight they deem it warrants.

 

[minor4th]

Is he really a lay witness though? He's the investigator charged with listening to all of Allen's phone calls (700 hours worth if I remember correctly). He'd be very familiar with Allen's voice based on that.

Regardless, I can't fathom a juror simply taking his word for it. They'll listen and likely argue over their own analysis amongst themselves.

He’s not an audiologist, so yes he’s a lay witness in that regard.

 

[EllaMinnowP]

Is this link still working for you all?

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

For me, it keeps refreshing, not letting me read the latest.

 

[BUF]

Cass County Jail is being where he's held now?

This week, during his hearings, Allen has been housed at and transported from the Cass County Jail in Logansport, hometown of his lead defense attorney Bradley Rozzi.

The court learned the Cass County Jail would be able to accommodate Allen for the rest of his pretrial incarceration.

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/judge-approves-transfer-of-richard-allen-to-county-jail-new-details-about-delphi-murders-released/

 

[MassGuy]

If Harshman recognised RA's voice from the video clip of bridge guy,is it not likely that his wife would also have recognised it.?

She genuinely seems to believe he's innocent, and everything he says she chalks up to mental health issues. I can't fathom that mindset ever allowing her to recognize that voice as her husband's.

 

[Justice101]

it amazing how with this one insight from the killer it now all makes sense.

why they were naked but then redressed
why he crossed the stream
why there is no sign of rape

sadly we had to live through a wild hoaxing about an odinist based on no evidence.

I must have missed it... did we have a confession on why he redressed them?

 

[vinayd]

Lil Ricky still acting out:

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

 

[detectivewannab]

I'm with you on this. Conscience is not the same as worrying about your perception in the eyes of others. A lot of monsters are scared to death of the thought of being seen as monsters by others. Doesn't make them any less monstrous. Hiding vs self-reflection.

A family member of mine would not let any family members in court.

 

[MassGuy]

He’s not an audiologist, so yes he’s a lay witness in that regard.

But we see witnesses identifying suspects on video for instance, all the time.

I realize that an image is much more solid evidence than something people can see, but wouldn’t that be a similar type of thing?

 

[minor4th]

Lil Ricky still acting out:

View attachment 542095Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Prosecution playing dirty trying to admit evidence that hasn’t been given to defense.