Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[technicallymissing]

I’m finding it super hard to keep up with this thread now the trial has started. Is there somewhere where I can read an overview of evidence/testimony presented in the trial so far?

'I killed Abby and Libby': Jurors hear about Richard Allen's confessions, bizarre behavior

Dr. Monica Wala, Richard Allen's therapist at Westville Correctional Facility, testified he confessed many times, while feigning bizarre behavior.

www.jconline.com

If you scroll to the bottom of the link above (which is a recap of Wednesday) Journal & Courier has a little box that says “Recap of Testimonies” with a bunch of different links you can click on for recaps of different days.

 

[Mirabel091]

Great post.

How was he able to go through all of that discovery he had access to in such a short time? If he made up his confession based on the discovery, he would have had to research it, compile it in chronological order, and then concoct a believable story that fits the timeline and corroborates details (i.e interruption/creek crossing), all the while he was completely out of his mind at the time according to the defense.

Yeah, not buying what they are selling and neither will the jury imo.

Good point. If he received everything then he achieved something B&R apparently thought impossible.

 

[girlhasnoname]

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KA hasn't had to pay for anything, RA is represented by his dear PDs and KA has a lawyer Pro Bono to represent her. The home KA and RA shared was paid for before RA was arrested and sold so she has enough money to tide her over.

Indiana is a state that offers no bond on murder charges when the proof is great.

The hearing on June 15th was a Motion to Let Bond and that just so happened to coincide with the introduction of the recorded confessions of RA to his wife and mother expressing his guilt. Bye bye bond.

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IC 35-33-8-2
Murder; other offenses
Sec. 2. (a) Murder is not bailable when the proof is evident or the presumption strong. In all other cases, offenses are bailable.
(b) A person charged with murder has the burden of proof that he should be admitted to bail.
As added by Acts 1981, P.L.298, SEC.2.

None of this is a joke to me and many others that have followed this case for several years and especially to the families of the VICTIMS Abby and Libby.

#Justice4Abby&Libby

As always, JMO

2010 Indiana Code :: TITLE 35. CRIMINAL LAW AND PROCEDURE :: :: ARTICLE 33. PRELIMINARY PROCEEDINGS :: :: CHAPTER 8. BAIL AND BAIL PROCEDURE

 

[girlhasnoname]

"According to pool notes shared with News 8, the jury is expected to view two hours of audio during Thursday’s session."
From

Delphi Murders trial: Day 11 live blog

Richard Allen, accused of murdering two teenage girls in Delphi, Indiana, is on trial and Day 11 of the trial began with testimony from several witnesses including Steve Mullin, John Galipeau, Ethan Drang, and Michael Clemons.

wishtv.com

Jury is expected to VIEW two hours of AUDIO on Thurs???

Hoping jurors have better vision than the rest of us. JK.

Okay, srsly, reporters are working under tight schedules. Ditto the editors.
Bless 'em. Tough situations.

It will be good for the jury to actually hear RA's voice during some of his confessions. JMO

 

[Niner]

My bad, I didn’t know that/thought it was MSM. It’s too late to edit my comment. Here is another link. @Niner this article says:

“Allen's initial bail was set at $20 million following his arrest. (The prosecutor said several days later that Allen is now being held with "no bond.")”

So it was initially $20 million, then no bond.

Judge worried for family's safety after sealing court docs in Delphi murders recused from case

Judge Benjamin Diener also begged state court administrators to help him deal with a brewing “storm” of requests for information.

www.wthr.com

Okay - thanks on that info!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Day 17 in #Justice4Abby&Libby​

 

[Andieinsyd]

Feeling a sense of relief after Dr Wallas testimony. The confession around the events of the day, including dropped bullet but most importantly the van have sealed it I think.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just don't think he sifted through all that to find the stuff about BW and the van. BW didn't see anything why would that even be in the pages his attorney initially sent to him? I am just guessing that they didn't send all of it at once since I think I read it is like thousands of pages of discovery.

The info about BW which really had nothing to do with anything, until RA explained it to us. It all fits. The elevation change after he saw the white van.

We didn't know why he made them cross the creek and now we do.

My point is, the white van and BW weren't even important AT ALL until RA basically made them the last nail in his coffin. Why would his attorneys send him info that didn't matter. Or do people really think RA read through all of it and then came up with this?

RA said he followed the girls, cocked his gun on the bridge, didn't SA them because he was interrupted by a white van, forced the girls across the river, killed them with a boxcutter, waited for them to die, and then carried on with his life.

None of that was known information to the public. (Well, we knew about crossing the water but not WHY.)

jmopinion

 

[lji]

Sorry to be a pain, I’ve followed this case from the start but haven’t been on here since the first day of the trial started (I now see it’s Day 17). Does anybody happen to know on which thread Day 1 started to be discussed on here please? Would be great to go back to that and make my way through the threads up until now.

 

[Warwick7]

Today is the day I've been waiting for.

I agree!!!
We are going to get details on all those phone confessions with his wife. I too have been waiting for this.

 

[Poedelini]

Sorry to be a pain, I’ve followed this case from the start but haven’t been on here since the first day of the trial started (I now see it’s Day 17). Does anybody happen to know on which thread Day 1 started to be discussed on here please? Would be great to go back to that and make my way through the threads up until now.

Thread 'Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #198'

Feb 4, 2024

Welcome back to the Delphi Murders discussion thread.

On the afternoon of Feb. 13th, 2017, best friends Abigail Williams and Liberty German were dropped off at a bridge in the town of Delphi. On Feb 14th their bodies were discovered around noon about 50 feet from the north bank of Deer Creek which is about 0.5 miles from the bridge.

Richard Allen has been arrested and charged with the murders of Abby and Libby

ISP page dedicated to the investigation (includes audio of suspect)

FOR MORE CLICK HERE FOR THE CARROL COUNTY SHERIFF'S...

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This thread starts the trial.

 

[Justice101]

Was the van on the dirt road in the discovery?

This seems important to me. I would think that needed to be in discovery because if the van driver saw someone, then that would be evidence for the prosecution if he didn't see anyone, then the defense could use that (somewhat) to their advantage.

Obviously, if it was not in discovery, then this is terribly damaging to the defense if RA mentioned that to the psychologist in his confession but that information was not privy to him in the discovery.

 

[susane7]

IMO The van interruption made them crossed the creek. Then at the crime scene from 2:35 until 3:30 we don't know what happened. Looks to me RA is still downplaying his crime. We don't now if he spent some time trying SA and he couldn't "perfom" after crossing the creek, if he killed them right away, if he spend some time thinking how he would escape without anyone seeing him, etc.

 

[SouthEnd]

Many kudos to BW for standing his ground on the stand, for agreeing (I am sure he was compelled, but he sounded forthcoming) to get involved. From my understanding of the testimony he produced his Sig Sauer to get tested, he cooperated with LE even though he has every reason not to, if we are to believe that LE willy nilly frames every bystander for murder (/s).

I hope that the D will not try to dig up every irrelevant thing of his past, my understanding is that he was vetted thoroughly and phone data-wise could not have been the perp. All MOO

 

[Justice101]

These confessions are going to add a whole new level of unluckiness to the unlucky Richard Allen. He's out on the trails the day two little girls are murdered. The murderer's caught on video. Rirchard Allen is wearing the exact same outfit as the overdressed murderer. Richard Allen was on a stock ticker that day, but doesn't have his phone by the time he's arrested, and the phone apparently didn't ping off the trails. Richard Allen claims to have been on the trail at the same time as the murderer, but then changes the timeframe years later, when his memory has evidently been refreshed. Richard Allen called himself in and arranged an interview with a conservation officer in a grocery store parking lot to note that he'd seen young girls near Freedom Bridge on a trail the day young girls disappeared from and were subsequently murdered on that trail. Then, apparently these same young girls from Freedom Bridge later step forward and say they saw someone that day that they later thought was the man in Libby's video (Richard Allen's alleged identical twin who is the one that murders people). A bullet that appears to have been cycled through RA's gun is found between the victims, but he has no idea how it could possibly have gotten there. He has a keepsake bullet in a wooden box in his bedroom, which I guess we're supposed to believe has no relation to anything in the case, this is just another in a string of cruel coincidences for Richard Allen. He knows he's not the person in the image the police showed him if the victims took the picture, evidently acknowledging that he's such a dead ringer for BG that the only thing really separating them is a murder conviction and prison time. He also apparently has the only Ford Focus in Carroll County, and this is the vehicle supposedly caught on video driving that day at 300 N.

Richard Allen has box cutters, which have been identified as a possible weapon in the murders, and Richard Allen has said he used box cutters to murder these girls. Richard Allen said he was interrupted as he was committing his heinous acts by a van, and lo and behold, now Brad Weber has testified he came home in a van at right around the time and right in the victinity of where Richard Allen would have been "interrupted" by the van.

It increasingly looks like Richard Allen made his own luck, and one has to suspect he's going to be more unlucky yet.

Well said! We need to have you doing the final closing statements for the prosecution. That is actually the style they use... making it simple and obvious to draw a conclusion.

 

[SouthEnd]

Was the van on the dirt road in the discovery?

This seems important to me. I would think that needed to be in discovery because if the van driver saw someone, then that would be evidence for the prosecution if he didn't see anyone, then the defense could use that (somewhat) to their advantage.

Obviously, if it was not in discovery, then this is terribly damaging to the defense if RA mentioned that to the psychologist in his confession but that information was not privy to him in the discovery.

I am very curious myself. I would think that if anything, at first blush (if we assume the D only printed the most important 1000 pages of discovery) there would simply be a list of names + phone numbers of people who were in the vicinity that day. If there was any mention of the van I believe it could have been well hidden in the pile of Autopsy reports, digital evidence, interview printouts and KAK info that I am guessing would be front and centre in the discovery.

All MOO

 

[Justice101]

I think that shows significant change over time.

We don't know what the jury is thinking, but we do know they are paying incredibly close attention to the testimonies and evidence. Unlike us, jurors entered this trial with a "clean slate," without expectation of what info would be presented. And if we're being swayed by evidence, I have to think they are too, and perhaps even more since they don't have conspiracies to cling to.

My prediction is this will be a guilty verdict.

jmo

Just wait until the defense has it's shot. But they have a lot to refute and try to create reasonable doubt. Tough row to hoe

 

[SouthEnd]

Just wait until the defense has it's shot. But they have a lot to refute and try to create reasonable doubt. Tough row to hoe

100%

Personally, I found the timeline the most damning aspect of the P's case, and now it has only been fortified after Dr W and BW's testimonies. I can't fathom how Libby's phone data could account for any other suspect than BG.

The only thing that would push me to NOT guilty BARD, would be if the D showed me RA's phone leaving MHB at 2:15, and then immediately after that a map of the data tracking his phone back to his house without any gaps, or anywhere really. As long as his phone, on, was pinging consistently off any tower that was not in the vicinity at 2:31pm on Feb 13 2017.

All MOO

 

[Elley Mae]

Was the van on the dirt road in the discovery?

This seems important to me. I would think that needed to be in discovery because if the van driver saw someone, then that would be evidence for the prosecution if he didn't see anyone, then the defense could use that (somewhat) to their advantage.

Obviously, if it was not in discovery, then this is terribly damaging to the defense if RA mentioned that to the psychologist in his confession but that information was not privy to him in the discovery.

The driveway is gravel, iirc and the white van is on the property on maps.
RA probably heard the van coming on gravel rd.

Jmo

 

[JosieJo]

Well if his confession isn't true he made a damn good job of fitting all the pieces together to produce a scenario that fits