Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

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Was anyone else surprised by BW reaction to being asked about if he had made any stops by the D? Just felt like it jumped very quickly to a defensive. I am NOT implicating him, but did sort of wonder why he jumped so fast when I read the notes from yesterday.
jmo
 
I don't think he'll ever reveal the details because he doesn't want his wife to know and because it will make him an even bigger target in prison.

I hate he has control over the scene, in the sense he has info nobody else has.

jmo
Exactly... I think some of his 'confessions' about his interest in minors were almost, suicidal in nature. The moment he was led to believe there was a way out of his own mess, maybe by his family, maybe by his DT, he started valuing himself the most again. He is so mercurial it is almost impossible to pin down, but ultimately... it is the control.

Control of his own guilt, control of the scene and the girls' last moments, which he is never going to share with anyone, not really.

I'd say shame, but I don't think it impacts him the way it does most of us.

All MOO
 
Was anyone else surprised by BW reaction to being asked about if he had made any stops by the D? Just felt like it jumped very quickly to a defensive. I am NOT implicating him, but did sort of wonder why he jumped so fast when I read the notes from yesterday.
jmo
My hunch is because BW thinks the defense wants to place blame or some involvement on him.

jmo
 
Was anyone else surprised by BW reaction to being asked about if he had made any stops by the D? Just felt like it jumped very quickly to a defensive. I am NOT implicating him, but did sort of wonder why he jumped so fast when I read the notes from yesterday.
jmo
IMO ... so I assume BW was deposed by the DT as did all other witnesses. I assume that he explained over and over again to them in depo how it would have been impossible for him to make those stops, (they probably ask him / accuse him of dozens of other terrible things during depo) and there we go again, they ask him the same questions he answered a thousand times. I know that I would personally snap, that's why it seems natural to me that he got defensive. You can prep a witness all you want, but it is BW's life that is being questioned over and over again for the past 7 years, and he was iron-clad proof that he did nothing wrong - some snapping is justified.

Again, all MOO
 
Yes. That seizing a chance, it is what I have thought of the nature of crime from the beginning. The feeling is...shoplifting.
Just that element of noticing that no one is noticing then going all in on the apparent opportunity.
Indeed. After all he did have a penchant for removing boxcutters from work... a great number of them, allegedly. Shoplifting. Yes.

All MOO
 
the sudden fright of having someone see him when he thought he had made the perfect crime trapping them at the end of the bridge.

I still think he wanted to take them down stream under the bridge to where that other small tributary comes in an is very isolated. He could then go down stream more and cross back across Deer Creek and up the hill across the trail back to his car.
100%, I think he was coming up with a plan in the moment driven by how 'well' everything was going for him, he had them where he wanted them - close to his escape route, and then... the van broke his illusion of control. IMO.

Terrible, it is all terrible. But hopefully some kind of justice. Soon.
 
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But what really gets me is he waited for them to die before leaving. To put it bluntly, he sliced the throats of two girls and then stayed to watch them die. And then left them out in the elements.

jmo

This is just awful. Whoever did this (I personally think it's RA but will be awaiting the defence argument to see if my mind changes) is absolutely depraved.
Those poor girls. Just horrific circumstances.
What a vile creature whoever did it.
 
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I say this with all sincerity and I hope it is received that way.

There seem to be a number of our fellow posters who have long maintained that RA was innocent, but after the new revelations have come to believe he is indeed the murderer. Tricia’s poll supports this and several posters have explained their change in reasoning as the newest evidence (RA’s confessions, his seeing a white van, his car being the match for the car that was at the bridge) have come to light.

None of us, I’m sure, are here because we want to be “right.”

We ALL, I believe, are here because we desperately want Abby’s and Libby’s killer to be found guilty, which would be the only speck of justice they can have anymore.

We ALL, I believe, want the German and Williams families to have whatever relief a guilty verdict will afford them.

It is a challenge when any of us are presented with facts, not rumor or innuendo, but solid evidence that forces us to change our way of thinking.

None of us know how the jury will decide on its verdict, a verdict I must accept, especially as the jurors seem to be very engaged in the process.

We will all find out together when the time comes for the jury’s finding, but I just wanted to express my admiration for the open minds that are apparent here.

I believe I long ago had an open mind, unsure about BG’s identity, until the day that RA was brought into the light.

It is the evidence that tells the true narrative and the jury’s burden to come to a unanimous verdict.

Time will tell.

JMO and appreciation for my fellow WSers.
I agree. The biggest difference is the jury who supposedly has had less experience with the case. I enjoy the variety of participants here and their subjective opinions.
 
You know whose opinion matters to RA?

God's? No, he sold out. He decided to forego eternity in order to have his wife's/mom's support in this world.

It's theirs.

RA doesn't likey being alone. Probably a dark love/hate relationship with the women in his life, but that's a couch for a different day.

"I didn't do what I said I did."

IMO RA continues to hold details back as well as minimize what he did.

He's still keeping secrets.

That is one ugly soul.

JMO
 
Exactly... I think some of his 'confessions' about his interest in minors were almost, suicidal in nature. The moment he was led to believe there was a way out of his own mess, maybe by his family, maybe by his DT, he started valuing himself the most again. He is so mercurial it is almost impossible to pin down, but ultimately... it is the control.

Control of his own guilt, control of the scene and the girls' last moments, which he is never going to share with anyone, not really.

I'd say shame, but I don't think it impacts him the way it does most of us.

All MOO
I agree. His "shame" seems to be a concern about what others will think of him, not shame over the heinous crimes he committed. I think he is aware of the damage he's caused, but it doesn't feel like he really CARES - but is simply aware of it.

I think he got off on "hiding in plain sight," not because he enjoyed the pain he inflicted or because he felt clever, but because he enjoyed not caring.

My opinion might change if we learn more about him, but for now, he seems like an empty lump of a man who had a gun, a knife, a fantasy, an opportunity, and luck.

jmo
 
He also got information from his lawyers and apparently from his psychologist.
Is there any link you can provide that tells us what info he got from Dr W? She claims in her testimony she only ever told him that 'people support you' and 'don't talk about the case with anyone but your lawyers'. Has anyone reported otherwise?

 
Was anyone else surprised by BW reaction to being asked about if he had made any stops by the D? Just felt like it jumped very quickly to a defensive. I am NOT implicating him, but did sort of wonder why he jumped so fast when I read the notes from yesterday.
jmo
No I'm not surprised. BW knows the low depths this Defense will stoop to, I am sure he is just as tormented and upset about being forced into the media spotlight by this gruesome killing as the other witnesses.

Speaking of, a big thanks to all of those who came forward and told their accounts for Abby and Libby. It has brought chaos and heartache to their personal lives I'm sure, but they stepped up when needed for Justice IMO.

JMO
 
Could the prosecution call his sister to give evidence about a supposed SA? And his daughter? Or is that irrelevant to the trial? It may support prosecution if they admit he did SA them?
It's a very big request to ask SA victims to do that if it's not completely necessary. We'll find out, I guess.

jmo
 
Was anyone else surprised by BW reaction to being asked about if he had made any stops by the D? Just felt like it jumped very quickly to a defensive. I am NOT implicating him, but did sort of wonder why he jumped so fast when I read the notes from yesterday.
jmo
Yes. Me, too. I wonder what triggered him so badly. Was it because he changed his timeline?
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B.W., a Carroll County resident who lives near the trail, testified that he clocked out of work at 2:01 p.m. Feb. 13, 2017 and drove about 20 to 25 minutes to his house. The girls, according to the prosecution's timeline, made it to the high bridge around 2 p.m. and disappeared shortly after.

The defense asked Weber on cross-examination if he'd stopped anywhere, as he'd previously told police. Weber, who appeared in court in overalls and disheveled hair, responded with a shout.

"No!"

His testimony ended there.

 
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