Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Inthedetails]

“I swear she LOOKED 18, Your Honor!”

Bad enough when that plea is attempted to excuse statutory rape.

It also might be a bit easier on his wife and family if he attacked women not girls. I honestly do NOT think he thought Libby and Abby were older. They look like the two kids they were.

jmo

 

[Vaderman]

“I swear she LOOKED 18, Your Honor!”

Bad enough when that plea is attempted to excuse statutory rape.

Especially considering he started with the assault even though he acknowledged they could be as young as 11.

 

[Inthedetails]

It also might be a bit easier on his wife and family if he attacked women not girls. I honestly do NOT think he thought Libby and Abby were older. They look like the two kids they were.

jmo

And....he would know as soon as he forced them to take of their clothes!! He could've backed off and didn't. He is lying about thinking they were older. I suspect he thought that would make the crime less heinous.

jmo

 

[tlcya]

I don't believe for a second he thought they were older. Those girls looked and acted their age. I think he said that because it's safer for him in prison if he attacked women not girls.

jmo

I am struck by how much Libby physically resembled RA's daughter. Particularly in the photo of his daughter posed on the bridge. when he described the three girls he admits to seeing that day he mentioned one looked younger and another appeared to be "babysitting" another. Meaning he was able to distinguish that one of the witnesses appeared younger to him, another older.

I believe he had a pretty good idea of Abby and Libby's ages, even if he thought one or both were older than their 14 years, I will never believe he thought they were of age. If that's the story he had to tell himself to make what he did feel less gross so be it, but he knew their general ages. MOO

 

[girlhasnoname]

RA was afforded his Constitutional 6th Amendment right to counsel (PD) to provide a competent and vigorous defense. It doesn't state he is afforded a PD of his choosing, although his preferred DT were reinstated by the SCOIN.

RA has been afforded a trial by a jury of his peers who will decide whether or not the evidence presented by the State and The Defense will find him guilty or innocent to the tune of $4M+ dollars.

It doesn't get much more Due 'Processy' than that.

I am more concerned about the Constitutional 14th Amendment rights of Abigail Williams and Liberty German the VICTIMS. Their right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness was irrevocably and brutally stripped away from them by Defendant Allen in one of the most gruesome and callous ways I've seen.

I hope Defendant Allen is found guilty by this jury of his peers and lives a miserable existence in a prison cell for the rest of his days.

He gave up his 14th Amendment rights when he murdered 2 innocent young girls for his perverted satisfaction, and I have no qualms about Justice being meted out to him according to our Judicial Standards. None.

As always, JMO

 

[Justice101]

He was telling half truths intermixed (the ages he thought the girls were...REALLY????) with the whole truth occasionally (van interrupting them, trying to SA them) with the psychologist.

 

[justtrish]

I don't believe for a second he thought they were older. Those girls looked and acted their age. I think he said that because it's safer for him in prison if he attacked women not girls.

jmo

Oh I agree, I was just sharing what was said in court. It seems to suggest he didn't know they would be there and they were just walking near him at the time and he saw them and that was it. It also suggests something maybe shame or for whatever reason he needed to point this out when talking to Dr. Wala. It wasn't just a basic I did it, it was me. He went into other things that someone who just wanted to falsely confess would not think to talk about.

IMO

 

[dub]

Could be, but I would expect they would want to go TOWARD the noise, not away from it.

SBM I was pondering this and had a horrible thought, sorry in advance…

IF (big if) Abby and Libby actually saw the van, they may have run away from it (or just not gone towards it) specifically because it was a white van.

Societal perceptions and all that. They may have thought it was involved.

If it was, for example, a black 06 Focus they might have gone for it.

I’m not usually bothered too much by typing things out on here, but that one was real real bad.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It also might be a bit easier on his wife and family if he attacked women not girls. I honestly do NOT think he thought Libby and Abby were older. They look like the two kids they were.

jmo

Goes to show the mindset of RA. He “thought” they might be 18 or 19 (or 11).

There is no age where it is appropriate to violently attack a female, or any person.

jmo

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I get BW's irritation. He's likely seen all the hubbub about the, how many are we up to now, 8? different SODDIs DT has defamed in multiple court filings which are publicly available and sees that big black train of blame headed his way.

I can already see the DT now: Dearest Jury, BW was there, by his own admission, right near where the girls' bodies were found, he knows the area well, lives nearby, his cell records put him there, who's to say BW isn't the killer and not my client?

I think the defense needs permission of the court to present an actual SODI defense. Within the limits of objections etc. they can cross examine this guy with legitimate acceptable questions about where he was, when he was there, his gun, anything in his statements. And they can bring him back I think during defense's time. I'm not going to try and get ahead of what defense does next week but we will find out. I have a feeling prosecution might be wrapped up Saturday. Just like prosecution has legal limitations so does defense. A trial is unlike a preliminary where the weight of the judges thumb should be for the state's prosecution and to assure that someone is brought to trial that should be brought to trial because they might have done something illegal. A trial is a different matter, the jury decides and the judge should be only a referee balancing the rights of the defendant and the laws of the state side and assuring that the proceedings and decision theoretically are fair, legal and not appealed.

 

[Inthedetails]

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

I've actually been disappointed by the youtubers I thought were the "good ones." Is the ACLU or other such organizations concerned about Allen's trial? Serious question that just occurred to me. IDK.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

#NEW: State Police Master Trooper testifies he’s listened to over 700 calls Richard Allen made while in custody.

He explained how Allen’s detailed confession (made to his psychologist in May 2023) about his actions on Feb. 13, 2017, led him to watching the “Bridge Guy” video again and believing it was Richard Allen’s voice that said “down the hill.”

More info on his testimony soon.

@WISHNews8 #RichardAllen #RichardAllenTrial

https://twitter.com/x/status/1852008995487125891

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I suppose without further clarity on this, from RA, the jury is going to be left to think he probably hadn't been given all of that information by his attorneys.

The defense questioning of Wala seemed to be imputing that she was feeding him information, which would further seem to imply that it wasn't from discovery he received. Also their questioning of van man seems to want to have him not there at that time, which also points away from it being factual information contained within the discovery. I don't see why all this would be necessary if they can just say RA was retrofitting his confessions to the discovery.

Should come up during the defense part of the trial coming up as it's a big question I imagine what he knew and when and when did he become psychotic.

 

[arielilane]

9 A.M.​

News 8’s Kyla Russell is back in Delphi for continuing coverage of the double murder trial of Richard Allen.

According to pool notes shared with News 8, the jury is expected to hear two hours of audio during Thursday’s session. It is set to begin at 9 a.m.

BRIEF SUMMARY OF DAY 10 IN THE DELPHI MURDERS TRIAL​

The first person to testify Wednesday was clinical psychologist Dr. Monica Wala. Wala is a contractor and lead psychologist at the Indiana Department of Corrections at the Westville Correctional Unit, where Allen was housed.

Wala said that she started seeing Allen in 2022. At the start, she was the only person to work with him. Over time, other professionals — including psychiatrists — began seeing him.

Ed. Note: An important distinction between psychologists and psychiatrists is that psychiatrists are medical doctors who can prescribe medications, while psychologists do not have a medical degree and generally cannot prescribe medications.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

wishtv.com

 

[arielilane]

@KylaBRussell

#NEW: State Police Master Trooper testifies he’s listened to over 700 calls Richard Allen made while in custody. He explained how Allen’s detailed confession (made to his psychologist in May 2023) about his actions on Feb. 13, 2017, led him to watching the “Bridge Guy” video again and believing it was Richard Allen’s voice that said “down the hill.” More info on his testimony soon.



11:25 AM · Oct 31, 2024

 

[MassGuy]

11:22 A.M.​

At 8:58 a.m. Allen is standing in the courtroom and appears to be praying as court is set to begin.

At 9:01 a.m. Judge Gull enters the courtroom and court is back in session.

The state moves to admit an exhibit that the defense objects to, saying they have never seen it before. Gull does not admit that exhibit.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com

 

[Momofthreeboys]

I've actually been disappointed by the youtubers I thought were the "good ones." Is the ACLU or other such organizations concerned about Allen's trial? Serious question that just occurred to me. IDK.

jmo

No but anyone who is a defense attorney who is opining on the trial is probably aware of potential weaknesses that could lead to appeals.

 

[Inthedetails]

The state moves to admit an exhibit that the defense objects to, saying they have never seen it before. Gull does not admit that exhibit.

snipped

There goes the compliant that Gull ALWAYS sides with the State and against the Defense.

jmo

 

[tlcya]

I think the defense needs permission of the court to present an actual SODI defense. Within the limits of objections etc. they can cross examine this guy with legitimate acceptable questions about where he was, when he was there, his gun, anything in his statements. And they can bring him back I think during defense's time. I'm not going to try and get ahead of what defense does next week but we will find out. I have a feeling prosecution might be wrapped up Saturday. Just like prosecution has legal limitations so does defense. A trial is unlike a preliminary where the weight of the judges thumb should be for the state's prosecution and to assure that someone is brought to trial that should be brought to trial because they might have done something illegal. A trial is a different matter, the jury decides and the judge should be only a referee balancing the rights of the defendant and the laws of the state side and assuring that the proceedings and decision theoretically are fair, legal and not appealed.

Thanks, I have watched a trial or two or forty in my time here at WS . I agree the state will want to wrap up on Saturday if possible, so the jury has a minute to absorb all the state has presented before the Defense presents its case.

IMO the DT are experienced practitioners of a apologize later rather than ask permission beforehand philosophy. JMO I fully expect Baldwin to attempt to insinuate BW is a) a viable alternate suspect, or b) part of a larger conspiracy against their client.

 

[MassGuy]

More:

The state moves to admit photos of Allen from his phone, arguing that they would like the jury to be able to see what Allen looked like before his arrest. The defense wants the dates on the photos removed. Judge Gull says the defense can review and the matter will be revisited after lunch.

Prosecutor Nick McLeland tells the judge they are planning to admit 7 Department of Corrections phone calls to Allen’s wife and mother. The defense objects because they say the prosecution is not offering one of the phone calls in the time where Allen said he is innocent and describes being mentally tortured and “killed” at the Westfield Correctional Unit.

Defense attorney Brad Rozzi says “what the State is omitting is an attempt to represent facts to the jury outside (of context).” McLeland says the calls are complete on their own. The defense claims the state is violating Allen’s rights.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

www.wishtv.com