Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #208

[Vaderman]

I'm thinking the box cutter he threw away had no connection to the crime or girls.

JMO MOO JMT

Are you thinking that he kept/hid the one he used on the girls? I wonder where.

 

[Salah11]

I will never understand him confessing and the person he trusted most in the world just completely dismissing him.

Moo

 

[MiniMoo]

I think most of the attorneys following this and commenting on the trial are primarily concerned with whether RA is receiving a fair trial. They/we are concerned that his constitutional rights have been violated and he is not being afforded due process.

Fair trial - am all for that!. 150%

JMO MOO JMT

 

[Deleted member 296739]

His psychologist would not, and did not, have access to his discovery.

RSBM
Do we know what is contained within IDOC databases that she improperly accessed? I don’t know what this implies or means TIA

 

[MassGuy]

I don't know it sounds like he was talking about regular things during the calls.. church and finding god, asking someone to thank a doctor for him. He makes a statement of guilt and he's met with "they are getting to you" "no you didn't" "just quit talking" The good thing is the jury head the entire call so they can form their opinion if the entire call was nonsense or if it wasn't. Sounds like he was seeking reassurance from her and he didn't get it.

It’s clear she doesn’t want to believe he did this, so she attributes this to him losing his mind. When he does try and confess, she shuts him down, trying to convince him that what’s he’s saying isn’t true.

So she’s basically encouraging him to play up the mental health stuff, which I’m definitely not disputing the existence of.

He’d feel compelled to mirror her sentiments, and talk about what’s going on mentally, regardless of the veracity of that.

He’s terrified of losing his family, and would thus say things to appease them.

All that to say that the waters are muddied by the dynamic there.

 

[minor4th]

I will never understand him confessing and the person he trusted most in the world just completely dismissing him.

Moo

It’s understandable if you realize he was completely out of his mind - like he says on all of these calls.

 

[mom2chloe]

So those people believe the Odinist theory? I think I'll take a pass on their podcast.

I don’t believe the LYK believes in the Odin stuff. He is well spoken and pleasing to the eyes! IMO

 

[minor4th]

RSBM
Do we know what is contained within IDOC databases that she improperly accessed? I don’t know what this implies or means TIA

She accessed info about KK when she found out he had been considered a suspect.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

She accessed info about KK when she found out he had been considered a suspect.

Thanks- do we know if she also accessed info about RA?

 

[WildHuncher]

https://imgur.com/ZsP3cf2

No mention of van in police reports or discovery

The final nail hit the coffin lid a long time ago for me, but the confirming data just keeps on coming.

 

[minor4th]

Thanks- do we know if she also accessed info about RA?

I don’t think she did. Only KK was mentioned.

 

[susane7]

Delphi Murders trial: Day 12 live blog

Day 12 of the Delphi Murders trial begins with the jury expected to hear two hours of audio.

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[Deleted member 296739]

I don’t think she did. Only KK was mentioned.

Thanks

 

[fred&edna]

No, he’s a plaintiff’s lawyer in civil cases. Lawyer Lee is a mediator in civil cases.

ETA: Neither of them have indicated they believe the Odinist theory but they believe RA should be allowed to put in his defense.

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Self described as Personal Injury as well as Criminal Defense attorney

 

[BUF]

Is the prosecution supposed to rest after these calls, as mentioned on a tweet earlier….or are any other witnesses expected?

 

[justtrish]

It’s clear she doesn’t want to believe he did this, so she attributes this to him losing his mind. When he does try and confess, she shuts him down, trying to convince him that what’s he’s saying isn’t true.

So she’s basically encouraging him to play up the mental health stuff, which I’m definitely not disputing the existence of.

He’d feel compelled to mirror her sentiments, and talk about what’s going on mentally, regardless of the veracity of that.

He’s terrified of losing his family, and would thus say things to appease them.

All that to say that the waters are muddied by the dynamic there.

What I find interesting thought is he doesn't say, "I read the discovery and they are pinning it on me" or anything like that. He speaks about reading the bible, being sorry, and realizing he needs to let her (Kathy) go. I think this could be seen as someone taking accountability and accepting their fate. Would someone who is doing this because they are mentally tortured by being in prison really be able to think through all those aspects of it? Would they want to apologize to the families would they ask if their family still loves them? I think if he has an awareness that this will hurt his family and how his actions have hurt the victims families, but somehow he is saying he did it because he lost tough with reality? Sounds pretty grounded to me with the things he is mentioning.

 

[Betty P]

The final nail hit the coffin lid a long time ago for me, but the confirming data just keeps on coming.

This bit of information does it for me. If LE investigators didn't know what type or color of vehicle BW was driving that day, but RA revealed it during his confession a year earlier, it's pretty conclusive.

How else would RA know he saw BW driving a white van that afternoon while RA was making the girls undress on the south side of Deer Creek?

It makes me wonder if, until LE heard RA's confession, they didn't realize that the van driving by interrupted the attack in progress and that was the reason the girls and RA went across the creek to the north side.

 

[TristanP]

Yes, I agree. Something was going on with him from a young age. I don't know what to make of some of his statements about who did things to him and who he did things to (other than Abby and Libby), but those might be matters for different charges later or SOL might have ran out, I don't know Indiana's laws on that. It sounds like he could be the victims in some things at a young age and maybe that shaped who he became as far as what he's done now. It seems it went from a point when he was underage (babysitter, grandparent, sister, friends he talked about things happening) and then to 2010 with alcohol issues and mental health struggles and sex addiction. So there is like 25 years between things he said happened in childhood and when he is on the bridge on 2/13..

Did Dr. Wala testify to this or is this rumor and speculation?

 

[Salah11]

It’s understandable if you realize he was completely out of his mind - like he says on all of these calls.

He wasn’t out of his mind it was him making excuses for what he had done and finally waking up to the reality’s of what he had done.

Moo

 

[TristanP]

We need the full context of these calls. Was he lucid? Was he coherent? What other things did they discuss and what was his mental state then? Was he responding logically?

Because yes, on their own they don’t seem to help the prosecution, as they do paint a picture of a guy whose mental health has declined a great deal.

I continue to believe that had his wife encouraged him, he would have given it up and pleaded guilty though.

Bolded by me - this is the best part of your comment. Very good questions.