VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[MassGuy]

Will LE continue investigating the case if he is found not guilty?

In my opinion, not a snowball’s chance in hell that happens. This case is dead forever, with a guilty man walking in their eyes. No evidence is going to magically appear that is more compelling than we have here.

I wish they had more, but that’s the reality.

 

[Ravenmoon]

We don't even know how the family might be feeling about this trial, do we? Have they spoken to the media? For all we know, they may also be worried about a miscarriage of justice if the verdict does not go how they hope. They could be feeling so many different things and diff ways. My hearts goes to each of them. There is no easy answer here.

The Patty's have not been shy about how they feel. It's apparent that they believe that they have the correct person in custody.

JMO

 

[photographer4]

At 4 million for this try, and no new avenues to explore for evidence, I suspect he walks at once.

I was wondering, if he walks, then will they get real and consider who else might have been worth pursuing? moo

 

[KentuckyMama]

True, thank goodness 3 of the youtubers are lawyers. Lay people only have their own opinions and views.

They only have opinions and views based on what has been released the same as the rest of us watching and reading. They know their area of law. This case isn't about interpretation of law. They weren't there when it happened. They know what they have seen, read, or heard. In that fact, we are all in the same sorry boat. I wish so much this would have been streamed. Even if not live. I think the judge tried to avoid this drama but underestimated how petty and low people can be.

 

[justtrish]

Two things can be true, the investigation was lacking and they are still able to prove their case.

One man says he was there that day during the specific time in question.

One man other people saw that day.

One man who admitted to (almost certainly) seeing the people who saw him.

One man who was admittedly dressed as BG.

One man whose car was caught on camera.

One man whose phone was suspiciously not caught up in the geofence despite his claims that he was using it.

One man admitted to drinking alcohol, going to the bridge, spotting the girls, following them, planning on raping them, getting disrupted,"cutting their necks," making sure they were dead, and covering them with sticks.

One man owned a .40 caliber handgun that matched the unspent cartridge found between the bodies.

One man confessed over and over.

One man said he stole a boxcutter from work, used it in the murders, and disposed of it in a CVS dumpster.

One man whose mental health declined after the murders.

One man who conveniently changed his timeline after he knew he was a suspect.

One man who ticks practically every box in regards to someone who has historically committed this type of crime (suicidal, substance abuse, depression, admittedly under the influence at the time of the crime).

They’ll never find a better suspect than that.

Oh I agree he is the guy, I just don't think it's LE's fault that they couldn't "find him" until that tip was located. LE as a whole didn't misfile it.. someone did that's for sure, but it's not like investigators read it and said okay cleared. They had no idea. I think they were patient while they tracked down all leads. They kept quiet about the things they needed to so when the person was found they would know it.. and they did know. I just think some people want to say they didn't do a good job, but I see that they did.

I agree with all your points.. he fits all the boxes. It can also be true that his conditions were hard on him AND he is the killer.

It's my personal belief that his wife and mother reacting as they did to his first admissions to them was what caused his serious decline more so than the conditions. He was doing okay until then and even said as much. Rejection from his people made him lose it.

 

[Davemac1]

Same. The longer it goes the less I have faith in a guilty verdict unfortunately.

Wouldn't be surprised.
Law of averages would dictate that there's bound to be one on there that wants to hear more about the odinist theory.( It's why the defense bought it in imo)
To get all 12 to unanimously agree such a high profile case that has had its fare share of conspiracy theory and wild assumptions may prove very difficult.

 

[TristanP]

You can hear in all the coverage, from Laura and Barbara McDonald, which members of the press the families are happy to talk to and sit near. (Spoilers: They are helping the Murder Sheet write a book. Not Lawyer Lee, and not Bob Motta.)

All MOO

EDIT: It is not something that gives me pleasure, but I believe it is disingenuous to not acknowledge that there are two camps, one that sits with the Defence Team, openly, and one that stands by the families. That's just what I see.

Makes sense, considering that Bob Motta is not writing one.

 

[SouthEnd]

Makes sense, considering that Bob Motta is not writing one.

Yet; IMO

 

[TristanP]

Wouldn't be surprised.
Law of averages would dictate that there's bound to be one on there that wants to hear more about the odinist theory.( It's why the defense bought it in imo)
To get all 12 to unanimously agree such a high profile case that has had its fare share of conspiracy theory and wild assumptions may prove very difficult.

Which trial were you watching that the Odinist theory was brought in?

 

[MiniMoo]

Will LE continue investigating the case if he is found not guilty?

LE lost a lot of data and interviews which cannot be recovered. Incompetence no matter how you choose to look at it.

Even if they reinvestigate it will be a very hard road for them because they still don't have very much.

JMO MOO JMT

 

[MassGuy]

If he gets released he'll very likely eat a bullet before any new trial can happen. He is a suicide just looking for a little unsupervised time. Or worse, he takes more with him. Of course, that's just my view from the farm.

Yes. Even with a not guilty verdict, it’s not like this guy is going to ride off into the sunset. He was suicidal well before he was ever caught, and likely before the murders themselves.

His reputation seems to be important to him, and his mental health is likely exponentially worse now (he’s apparently threatening to kill jail guards).

This won’t end well for him, and I also hope he doesn’t take others with him.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

In my opinion, not a snowball’s chance in hell that happens. This case is dead forever, with a guilty man walking in their eyes. No evidence is going to magically appear that is more compelling than we have here.

I wish they had more, but that’s the reality.

So who gets the reward money, the volunteer receptionist who found the mislabeled file?

 

[Myvice]

Question: if there's a mistrial/hung jury, is RA immediately released from custody? Or do they keep him locked up while they go for a second trial?

I can only hope that one of the "influencers" take him home and keep him safe.

 

[Vaderman]

This won’t end well for him, and I also hope he doesn’t take others with him.

I'm sure some streaming service would happily pay him handsomely to participate in a documentary. He could even be a crusader for prison reform.

 

[Deleted member 229974]

Yes. Even with a not guilty verdict, it’s not like this guy is going to ride off into the sunset. He was suicidal well before he was ever caught, and likely before the murders themselves.

His reputation seems to be important to him, and his mental health is likely exponentially worse now (he’s apparently threatening to kill jail guards).

This won’t end well for him, and I also hope he doesn’t take others with him.

If he’s found not guilty, can he sue LE for defamation?

 

[TristanP]

If he gets released he'll very likely eat a bullet before any new trial can happen. He is a suicide just looking for a little unsupervised time. Or worse, he takes more with him. Of course, that's just my view from the farm.

I disagree. He actually is quite strong mentally. He has withstood some of the worst conditions possible and did not surrender to the pressure to off himself.

The unsaid reason that he was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months needs to be addressed.

 

[SouthEnd]

I can only hope that one of the "influencers" take him home and keep him safe.

I sure hope the one who wrote 'We love you Ricky' next to 'Justice for Libby & Abby' does... MOO

 

[justtrish]

I can only hope that one of the "influencers" take him home and keep him safe.

I wonder if they would be willing to send their teenage daughters off on a hike with him?

 

[TristanP]

If he’s found not guilty, can he sue LE for defamation?

No, he cannot sue for that specifically, but there will be other things he can sue for.

 

[SouthEnd]

I disagree. He actually is quite strong mentally. He has withstood some of the worst conditions possible and did not surrender to the pressure to off himself.

The unsaid reason that he was housed in solitary confinement for 13 months needs to be addressed.

I thought the reason was his repeated threats of harming himself? MOO