VERDICT WATCH Abby & Libby - The Delphi Murders - Richard Allen Arrested - #213

[Inthedetails]

Timestamp 06:45

If anyone had any doubts as to what side Lawyer Lee is batting for, they are clustered with BM from DD and AB. No opinions from me, just good to see birds of a feather flocking together. I am sure BM will find some time to tweet something fiery that gets even more pro-DT fans to write even more terrible signs and display them in front of the victims' families.

All MOO, but I have no compassion for their rhetoric.

Yes, I've been disappointed by youtubers who I mistook for the "sane, good ones."

I smashed that UNsubscribe button.

jmo

 

[wtiger]

i may be on my own here but i cannot possibly have him guilty based ONLY on the content in this trial

i was hoping to see a guilty man face his day of reckoning but sadly i feel like we are more probably going to see a murderer walk free because the whole investigation from start to courtroom has been half baked and not properly conducted.

yes i do feel that he's probably guilty BUT probably isn't the required standard in a court of law

i am just saying it as i see it.........don't mind if nobody else agrees

 

[MassGuy]

Agree. Great point.

It isn't just about transparency (even if it ought to be) -- it's also about the power of for-profit influencers who can peddle alternative facts and be ambassadors for any number of narratives, however absurd.

You need no journalistic, legal or forensic training for these occupations (though some of course have it), just the ability to find and retain followers. And if you're wrong? It can pay just as well, or better, to be wrong as it does to be right.

Exactly. You have a bunch of sycophants who follow and promote these people, and believe every word they say.

It’s as frustrating as it is embarrassing.

 

[arielilane]

He's a little man, small man, w/a pea brain. Cant think for himself ... needed liquid courage to show he's a coward.

-- use common sense

-- totality of evidence

jmo, the jurors will get it right.

Justic for Abby & Libby

 

[Vaderman]

Question: if there's a mistrial/hung jury, is RA immediately released from custody? Or do they keep him locked up while they go for a second trial?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

i may be on my own here but i cannot possibly have him guilty based ONLY on the content in this trial

i was hoping to see a guilty man face his day of reckoning but sadly i feel like we are more probably going to see a murderer walk free because the whole investigation from start to courtroom has been half baked and not properly conducted.

yes i do feel that he's probably guilty BUT probably isn't the required standard in a court of law

i am just saying it as i see it.........don't mind if nobody else agrees

Gently...we weren't in the courtroom and we didn't see or hear the entire trial.

The jury was, and I believe they will get it right, whether guilty or not.

 

[Deleted member 296739]

i may be on my own here but i cannot possibly have him guilty based ONLY on the content in this trial

i was hoping to see a guilty man face his day of reckoning but sadly i feel like we are more probably going to see a murderer walk free because the whole investigation from start to courtroom has been half baked and not properly conducted.

yes i do feel that he's probably guilty BUT probably isn't the required standard in a court of law

i am just saying it as i see it.........don't mind if nobody else agrees

I think several others are where you are at- separating BARD/ evidence presented at trial, from personal feelings about guilt - I would not be at all surprised with not guilty or hung jury - moo

 

[KentuckyMama]

Question: if there's a mistrial/hung jury, is RA immediately released from custody? Or do they keep him locked up while they go for a second trial?

If he gets released he'll very likely eat a bullet before any new trial can happen. He is a suicide just looking for a little unsupervised time. Or worse, he takes more with him. Of course, that's just my view from the farm.

 

[SouthEnd]

Yes, I've been disappointed by youtubers who I mistook for the "sane, good ones."

I smashed that UNsubscribe button.

jmo

It takes a lot of strength to be a YT and go against the DT rhetoric. People on the line were calling L from Hidden True Crime names even in this live, you can hear it twice. On twitter, she's been under siege ever since 3 days ago when she suggested she leans towards Guilty. How is this a fair process, when the mouthpieces of the DT have been organising the masses online and feeding them 'inside information', pushing lies, attacking people who disagree?

After this trial, I hope for two things:
a) A good deep look at mental health support in prison/jail. (And yes, 30-odd% of prisoners are given anti-psychotics for many reasons, with less oversight than RA. A review of policies on the involuntary use of psychotropic medications among persons experiencing incarceration in the United States - Health & Justice we need some kind of reform.)
b) Lawyers need to face consequences for colluding with SM and YTs, for pushing out narratives. Put together overseeing bodies, it is no longer a hypothetical issue, it is something we've seen time and again with the harassment of the 'alt suspects' in KR's case, BK's fanclub and so forth. It is a new era of mass media, and new restrictions and penalties should apply.

All MOO

 

[m00c0w]

Yep, seems RA has no shortage of knowledgeable professionals supporting him—I saw an interview the other day where even his former defense attorney believes he is completely innocent

I’ve definitely seen a few folks that seem to be knowledgeable, but absolutely manipulate the facts to support whatever fanfic they have going on in their heads. Outright, blatant mistruths from attorneys covering this case as a hobby. It’s actually quite bizarre until you realize it’s all about the dollars and they don’t actually care about RA.

JMO

 

[SouthEnd]

Question: if there's a mistrial/hung jury, is RA immediately released from custody? Or do they keep him locked up while they go for a second trial?

Depends on the judge/DA, honestly. I have seen it go either way. MOO

 

[Deleted member 296739]

Question: if there's a mistrial/hung jury, is RA immediately released from custody? Or do they keep him locked up while they go for a second trial?

IANAL - but I can’t imagine that the pretrial detention and no bond will be changed- but I don’t know IN laws- moo

 

[sunshineray]

And imo some of those branches would be to heavy to toss so unable to land

Probably dragged into place. RA himself said in his confessions he was trying to cover them up with branches.

 

[TristanP]

i may be on my own here but i cannot possibly have him guilty based ONLY on the content in this trial

i was hoping to see a guilty man face his day of reckoning but sadly i feel like we are more probably going to see a murderer walk free because the whole investigation from start to courtroom has been half baked and not properly conducted.

yes i do feel that he's probably guilty BUT probably isn't the required standard in a court of law

i am just saying it as i see it.........don't mind if nobody else agrees

You're not on your own, but you're definitely in the minority in this forum.

The state did NOT prove the case.

Convicted or not, Libby & Abby remain without justice.

 

[MassGuy]

i may be on my own here but i cannot possibly have him guilty based ONLY on the content in this trial

i was hoping to see a guilty man face his day of reckoning but sadly i feel like we are more probably going to see a murderer walk free because the whole investigation from start to courtroom has been half baked and not properly conducted.

yes i do feel that he's probably guilty BUT probably isn't the required standard in a court of law

i am just saying it as i see it.........don't mind if nobody else agrees

I have no doubt he’s guilty, but to say I’m concerned that he’ll be found not guilty is an understatement.

This investigation was terrible. They should have been on to Allen 5 years prior, instead of chasing around multiple other suspects.

The interrogation was terrible, as it was a fruitless effort to chase a home run, which small ball would have likely paid greater dividends.

The conditions he was kept in did the prosecution no favors in regards to proving the credibility of those confessions.

There are things I wanted to hear from the prosecution that we did not hear (more about Allen’s phone and that geofence).

Witness testimony helped the prosecution as much as it may have helped the defense.

I will always believe that if Allen is found not guilty, it isn’t because he didn’t do it.

“Can we find the real killer now?”

“Best I can do is release an unhinged monster onto the streets and we’ll just see what happens.”

 

[arielilane]

9 A.M.: COURT IN SESSION FOR FRIDAY​

After five hours of closing arguments and roughly two hours of jury deliberation on Thursday, the jury is scheduled to resume deliberations at 9 a.m. inside the Carroll County Courthouse.

There will be 15 jurors in the room — the 12 who will decide whether Richard Allen is guilty in the murders of Abigail “Abby” Williams and Liberty “Libby” German, along with three alternates.

Deliberations could take hours or days. The 12-member jury (three alternates excluded) must reach a unanimous verdict.

If they have reasonable doubt Allen committed the murders, they are instructed to find him not guilty. If they believe he committed the murders, they are instructed to find him guilty.

If the jury is unable to reach a unanimous verdict, the trial could end in a mistrial.

Delphi Murders trial: Day 19 live blog

Richard Allen is on trial for the murders of Abigail "Abby" Williams and Liberty "Libby" German, with the trial expected to continue through mid-November.

wishtv.com

 

[photographer4]

Dozens of signs outside of the Carroll County Courthouse — some in protest, others showing support.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854925511178252344

The one about L&A could be interpreted as support for RA if the creator believes that what has happened to RA is an injustice - moo.

 

[TristanP]

Probably dragged into place. RA himself said in his confessions he was trying to cover them up with branches.

It's certainly surprising that he would be so spooked off by a van during the commission of the crime that he would decide not to sexually assault them and receive the physical gratification that the state indicates is his motive, but he would take time to drag and arrange branches on the deceased.

It's also quite strange that he would say he was trying to cover them up with those branches, because, per the drawings we have seen in the media, there were very few sticks and they were quite obviously "arranged" vs haphazardly placed. It also doesn't make sense that he wouldn't use the easily available dead foliage around, but rather waste even more time collecting tree branches that range in size and weight.

 

[Mitch1]

I’ve definitely seen a few folks that seem to be knowledgeable, but absolutely manipulate the facts to support whatever fanfic they have going on in their heads. Outright, blatant mistruths from attorneys covering this case as a hobby. It’s actually quite bizarre until you realize it’s all about the dollars and they don’t actually care about RA.

JMO

Just because you make a living doing something doesn’t invalidate what you do or think. As I have said before, for this trial I have followed LL as I have found her content to be unbiased and informative. I also follow HTC and she is biased (one I don’t agree with) but has reported much like LL-simply what is being testified to in the court room

 

[Deleted member 229974]

MOO

I'm thinking those 5 men should look into a class action. It would hold much more weight, IMO. And before my post is 'corrected' I do not believe anyone can state for a fact that a lawsuit is not possible. This is my opinion.

And so agree that a suit for neglect should be filed for crime scene materials to be left in an unlocked room.

I really don’t think that group wants to attract too much attention to themselves. I wonder, would LE be willing to reinvestigate them or anyone else after this mess? IMO