Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #10 *Arrest*

[Kemug]

Given her attitude towards Simon and his family that she has revealed in message exchange with Facebook friends, inviting any of them over for a lunch (let alone one that required investment of time, money and effort) as well as their advice seems completely ridiculous….and clearly Simon though so because he declined the invite even with potential of meeting being about her health.⁷ù

I should imagine that Simon thought that Erin was just being "difficult" again, or "up to her old tricks" again. Or something like that.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Individual BWs are actually a thing. I made them once for my partner and me.

I know, there's probably hundreds of recipes for them out there. The problem I have is that she chose not to use a recipe for one. She chose quite a detailed recipe for one large one from a Recipe Tin Eats cookbook, one that even had a youtube video where you could see the process involved. Yet she still chose to turn them into individual pasties/pies/parcels.

 

[Jake18]

And the defence have not admitted, from media reports that I have seen, that the Asian grocery mushroom purchace was a lie.

It comes down to relative significance, doesn't it? When EP told hospital staff, toxicologists, child protection workers that the mushrooms had been purchased from a major supermarket and an Asian grocer, the chances of death cap mushroom poisoning was overall low.

However, if EP had admitted from the onset that she foraged for mushrooms, where she bought or didn’t buy mushrooms wouldn’t have mattered in the same way. As soon as she admitted to foraging, whether or not the Asian grocer existed wasn’t important, except perhaps for her credibility, although she had already admitted to other, bigger lies (foraging, the dehydrator) so this was already in shreds, IMO.

The concept of the Asian grocer is useful to the prosecution because it highlights how public health resources and time were wasted looking for dried mushrooms there, it’s irrelevant to to her defence whether she bought mushrooms there or not.

Lying about NOT foraging is the important lie.

The defence doesn’t have a lot to work with. Their position seems to be:
- she foraged and got it wrong, and it’s very easy to get it wrong
- EP also ingested the toxic mushrooms and she was actually sick but affected to a lesser degree, and
- she was panicked after the meal and that’s why she did stuff that makes her look dodgy

 

[SouthAussie]

The defence doesn’t have a lot to work with. Their position seems to be:
- she foraged and got it wrong, and it’s very easy to get it wrong
- EP also ingested the toxic mushrooms and she was actually sick but affected to a lesser degree, and
- she was panicked after the meal and that’s why she did stuff that makes her look dodgy

I wonder how the defence will address the cancer lie. Or if they will just ignore it.

Because I would think that is a strong point in setting up for alleged murders.


A defence lawyer representing accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson has told a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

'Panicked' Erin Patterson lied to police but is innocent of triple murder, court hears

Defence lawyers for accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson tell a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Jake18]

I wonder how the defence will address the cancer lie. Or if they will just ignore it.

Because I would think that is a strong point in setting up for alleged murders.


A defence lawyer representing accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson has told a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

'Panicked' Erin Patterson lied to police but is innocent of triple murder, court hears

Defence lawyers for accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson tell a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

www.abc.net.au

I think it’ll just be that Ian Wilkinson misremembered. That EP had experience vague health concerns only.

 

[Jake18]

I should imagine that Simon thought that Erin was just being "difficult" again, or "up to her old tricks" again. Or something like that.

Or subconscious intuition, given his previous serious, unexplained illnesses.

Not a consciously recognised response, or he’d have warned his family, but an instinctive wariness.

 

[SouthAussie]

Or subconscious intuition, given his previous serious, unexplained illnesses.

Not a consciously recognised response, or he’d have warned his family, but an instinctive wariness.

He probably never dreamed she would (allegedly) harm his family. Only him.

In marriage break-ups, separations, and struggles over money, it is usually one spouse harming another - when things get out of hand. Not a spouse going after the other spouse's family.

imo

 

[JBowie]

He probably never dreamed she would (allegedly) harm his family. Only him.

In marriage break-ups, separations, and struggles over money, it is usually one spouse harming another - when things get out of hand. Not a spouse going after the other spouse's family.

imo

True, but in this case we have her posts where she makes pretty clear her disdain for "this *!#$* family".

 

[Spectrix]

And the defence have not admitted, from media reports that I have seen, that the Asian grocery mushroom purchace was a lie.

"The defence says initial statements made to police by Ms Patterson — that she did not own a food dehydrator, that she had bought mushrooms from an Asian grocer and that she had not foraged for mushrooms — were lies brought on by her panicking."

ABC News Coverage

 

[mamamama9873]

I know, there's probably hundreds of recipes for them out there. The problem I have is that she chose not to use a recipe for one. She chose quite a detailed recipe for one large one from a Recipe Tin Eats cookbook, one that even had a youtube video where you could see the process involved. Yet she still chose to turn them into individual pasties/pies/parcels.

Totally. It’s another little “coincidence” that could be explained and be innocent if singled out. However in combination with all the other “coincidences” (the different coloured plates, EP or the the kids not getting sick etc), it does paint a clear picture

 

[SouthAussie]

True, but in this case we have her posts where she makes pretty clear her disdain for "this *!#$* family".

Agreed. But I don't think Simon saw those posts (till now) or had any real understanding about her animosity towards his family.

imo

 

[mamamama9873]

He probably never dreamed she would (allegedly) harm his family. Only him.

In marriage break-ups, separations, and struggles over money, it is usually one spouse harming another - when things get out of hand. Not a spouse going after the other spouse's family.

imo

I don’t believe that Simon suspected her of poisoning him prior to the lunch and his family getting poisoned. Only in retrospective and after his family was poisoned, did he suspect her of poisoning him the previous year.

 

[Scuffy35]

I think it’ll just be that Ian Wilkinson misremembered. That EP had experience vague health concerns only.

If that is what the defence wll go with, how would they explain why she needed advice on how to tell the children? i.e it was only a heath concern with no diagnosis results yet.

 

[JBowie]

Agreed. But I don't think Simon saw those posts (till now) or had any real understanding about her animosity towards his family.

imo

I think you're right. As I've posted earlier narcissists can be quite two-faced to people and, in my (non-professional) estimation, EP is right up there on the vulnerable/covert scale.

 

[arrogantcat]

I wonder how the defence will address the cancer lie. Or if they will just ignore it.

Because I would think that is a strong point in setting up for alleged murders.


A defence lawyer representing accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson has told a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

'Panicked' Erin Patterson lied to police but is innocent of triple murder, court hears

Defence lawyers for accused triple-murderer Erin Patterson tell a jury she lied about a cancer diagnosis and foraging mushrooms, but is innocent of murdering three relatives with a poisoned meal.

www.abc.net.au

Perhaps simply appealing to a sense that lying for self protection — and even for attention (the cancer) — might be relatable and understandable to some jury members.

It’s honestly remarkable the number of everyday, functional, non-murderous people who fabricate or exaggerate illness for attention. There are probably a lot of folks who have panicked and lied to cta at some point in life too.

It’s quite possible that someone in the jury might relate to this and see it as behaviour that can be explained by something other than her guilt.

Which I think could maybe work, if this was the only evidence. In the face of so much other compelling proof, however, it’s unlikely to be enough to convince anyone she’s NG

 

[mamamama9873]

If that is what the defence wll go with, how would they explain why she needed advice on how to tell the children? i.e it was only a heath concern with no diagnosis results yet.

There is also the message to Simon saying something along the lines of “I won’t be able to make such a special meal again for a very long time”. This also points to the diagnosis as Ian remembers it.

 

[JBowie]

“I said to [Simon] about 50 times yesterday that I didn’t want [his parents] to adjudicate. Nobody bloody listens to me, at least I know they’re a lost cause.”

Minutes later from the same account: "I’m sick of this sh-- I want nothing to do with them. I thought his parents would want him to do the right thing but it seems their concern about not wanting to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get involved in their son’s personal matters are overriding that so f--- them.”

Seven months later she asked them to lunch.

Posts reveal family schism before deadly mushroom lunch

Devices seized from Erin Patterson's home allegedly reveal frustration with her husband's family in the months before she...

www.canberratimes.com.au

 

[Kemug]

There is also the message to Simon saying something along the lines of “I won’t be able to make such a special meal again for a very long time”. This also points to the diagnosis as Ian remembers it.

Well, she was probably correct. IMO, if justice is served she certainly won't be able to make such a special meal again for a very long time. MOO

 

[mamamama9873]

Well, she was probably correct. IMO, if justice is served she certainly won't be able to make such a special meal again for a very long time. MOO

True that but..

As for evidence, it points to the diagnosis as Ian remembers it and doesn’t refer to her legal situation after the crime (she thought she would get away with it unscathed of course!)

 

[Kemug]

It really really worries me that she was sneaking mushroom powder into the children's brownies. What about when they got a bit older, they were only 14 and 9 then, I think - what if they had became teenage terrors in a few years? Answering her back, refusing to listen to her, staying out too late, all the usual stuff. Making her angry, saying nasty things even. I really dread to think how she might have reacted, I really do.