Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #12 *Arrest*

[Baby baby Jane]

This is where the maths of the meat doesn't add up... it's so confusing. TBH I think she had extra steak(s) and just gave them that.

Agree. Cutting the leftover cooked beef Wellington into cubes, not slices, is odd. Her kids old enough to be served slices of this famously soft cut of meat to cut.
I think it was an uncooked leftover filet which she cubed and quickly stir fried or, heavens, microwaved. It had never been a BW.

 

[Jake18]

The leftovers is something that really doesn’t make sense.

Erin made 6 beef wellingtons, with 1 and a bit left over. The 4 guests ate the 4 wellingtons, with Don eating some of Heather’s.

The thrown away remains were, IIRC one and half wellingtons, so Erin’s leftovers and the one meant for Simon.

But - she said she gave the children leftovers with the mushrooms scraped off. I mean, I think she’s lying, but, in her version, leftovers from what? Why was she covering the meat with mushrooms if she was never going to use it?

 

[iamshadow21]

Your message about charcoal tablets is making me wonder if she had indocyanine green which is an antidote to death cap mushrooms poising.

I think that sourcing that as a civilian would be nigh impossible, and even if possible, would have a very clear paper trail.

Never mind that even with treatment, DCM poisoning has a very high death rate and survivors tend to need transplants or have permanent organ damage.

If I'm a poisoner, I'm just not eating the poison, in that circumstance.

MOO

 

[katydid23]

She may have vomited earlier than she says and also taken steps such as eating charcoal tablets beforehand to provide a safe landing pad to reduce toxin absorption...

Ok, so why would she have taken charcoal tablets? Did she KNOW she had eaten death caps?

Why would she be taking all these steps so quickly? Did she know from the start that she had been exposed to the toxins?

If so, why didnt she warn the others?

And why would she feed leftovers to her kids? She didnt give them any charcoal did she?

 

[JBowie]

Surely this one trip to the Asian Grocer she would remember something more than vaguely it was in "Oakleigh"

IIRC, Oakleigh was only one of the towns that she came up with at different times (like she was mentally flipping through a Yellow Pages )

 

[L_B]

The leftovers is something that really doesn’t make sense.

Erin made 6 beef wellingtons, with 1 and a bit left over. The 4 guests ate the 4 wellingtons, with Don eating some of Heather’s.

The thrown away remains were, IIRC one and half wellingtons, so Erin’s leftovers and the one meant for Simon.

But - she said she gave the children leftovers with the mushrooms scraped off. I mean, I think she’s lying, but, in her version, leftovers from what? Why was she covering the meat with mushrooms if she was never going to use it?

Yep, if she didn't want to waste food, and serve leftovers, how come there was so much leftovers to throw out.......... Also consider a teenage boy eating "half" a bit of steak from an individual beef wellington, when that age they are notorious for eating LOTS, and you still have enough to throw out 1.5 BWs...

 

[SouthAussie]

IIRC, when she was at the hospital on Monday, the doctor said they wanted to send LE to her home to pick up any leftovers for testing. Am I remembering correctly?

Yes, that's right. We just don't know when she actually put them in the outside bin. Saturday, Sunday, or on Monday (before she went to the hospital, or during the time she left the hospital then returned).

We are never going to know for sure, because Erin is probably the only one who knows.

imo

 

[katydid23]

Agree. Cutting the leftover cooked beef Wellington into cubes, not slices, is odd. Her kids old enough to be served slices of this famously soft cut of meat to cut.
I think it was an uncooked leftover filet which she cubed and quickly stir fried or, heavens, microwaved. It had never been a BW.

If that is true, it is potentially a sign of guilt. She has been adamant about the 'fact' that she fed her kids leftover meat that had mushrooms scraped off. It was important to her to always mention that she scraped off the mushrooms from the meat.

That couldn't be true if the leftovers were from any of the tainted BWs. Meat cooked with the death caps paste would have been very toxic, even with mushrooms removed.

The only leftovers they could have safely eaten were from EP's remaining BW. But that wasn't enough probably for a growing teen boy and his little sister.

So it does sound more like he described just regular beef steak she prepared to use as the 'leftovers.'

 

[Detechtive]

Yes, that's right. We just don't know when she actually put them in the outside bin. Saturday, Sunday, or on Monday (before she went to the hospital, or during the time she left the hospital then returned).

We are never going to know for sure, because Erin is probably the only one who knows.

imo

The time she left hospital and returned, IMO. So, the Monday. Odd then, that they would be at the very bottom of the bin with other bags on top of them.

 

[SouthAussie]

Do you think that Erin thought there would be no toxin traceable in the leftovers by Monday?
Because the toxin dissipates in the blood quite quickly (though the damage is already done)?

 

[katydid23]

The leftovers is something that really doesn’t make sense.

Erin made 6 beef wellingtons, with 1 and a bit left over. The 4 guests ate the 4 wellingtons, with Don eating some of Heather’s.

The thrown away remains were, IIRC one and half wellingtons, so Erin’s leftovers and the one meant for Simon.

But - she said she gave the children leftovers with the mushrooms scraped off. I mean, I think she’s lying, but, in her version, leftovers from what? Why was she covering the meat with mushrooms if she was never going to use it?

Yes, in her version, it is extremely important that she emphasise that she 'scraped off the mushrooms' from the meat she have her children.

----One, it's her way of indicating they were really leftovers---'see, they had mushrooms pasted on top.' And that's important because she wants everyone to know she'd never feed her babies anything she had put death caps into. She's innocent.

----Two, her children did not get sick, just like she didn't get sick. That somehow makes it more normal for her not to get sick because neither did her kids and they ate the leftovers.

 

[JennieM]

No way she fed her children meat that had death caps. They ate meat with zero trace of mushrooms.

 

[Jake18]

Do you think that Erin thought there would be no toxin traceable in the leftovers by Monday?
Because the toxin dissipates in the blood quite quickly (though the damage is already done)?

I just did a google search on WebMD and it interestingly doesn’t even mention that the mushroom toxin can be identified.

Maybe she didn’t know? She may not have realised that the toxin can be tested for.

Death Cap Mushroom Poisoning

Find out what you need to know about death cap mushroom poisoning, and discover how to identify it and what to do if you’ve been poisoned.

www.webmd.com

 

[katydid23]

Do you think that Erin thought there would be no toxin traceable in the leftovers by Monday?
Because the toxin dissipates in the blood quite quickly (though the damage is already done)?

I don't think the toxins dissipate in the leftovers, do they?

I thought they dissipate in the body because they are released into the bloodstream and are absorbed into the digestive tract and the liver.

But in the leftovers, would they dissipate? I don't think so because there were still traces found on the dehydrator months later.

 

[Ellery84]

I seem to recall at the beginning it was said LE were taking apart her plumbing to look for traces, makes sense to me if they did.

Do you have a link for that?

I’ve pretty good recall and I don’t recall reading that in the news.

 

[Jake18]

Toxicology report into mushroom poisoning

Homicide detectives may have used new technology to detect death cap amatoxins in three people who likely died after consuming the deadly mushrooms. Erin Patterson, 48, served a beef wellington pie containing death cap mushrooms at her home in Leongatha, in Victoria's Gippsland region on July 29.

www.uts.edu.au

Warming to my theme : toxin testing seems to be new technology. I reckon she didn’t think she’d get caught.

 

[katydid23]

Toxicology report into mushroom poisoning

Homicide detectives may have used new technology to detect death cap amatoxins in three people who likely died after consuming the deadly mushrooms. Erin Patterson, 48, served a beef wellington pie containing death cap mushrooms at her home in Leongatha, in Victoria's Gippsland region on July 29.

www.uts.edu.au

Warming to my theme : toxin testing seems to be new technology. I reckon she didn’t think she’d get caught.

wow---very interesting.

That explains something because I saw conflicting opinions---I saw articles saying it couldn't be medically tested for===and I thought that's weird, because I saw reports they did test for it in the hospital and both males tested positive

So this would explain it.

NO WONDER SHE PANICKED !!!!!!! She had not prepared for that. She thought she could just deny foraging and there'd be no tests to confirm, and if she said she bought the mushrooms at Woolies, then no one would think they could be Death Caps...

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think the toxins dissipate in the leftovers, do they?

I thought they dissipate in the body because they are released into the bloodstream and are absorbed into the digestive tract and the liver.

But in the leftovers, would they dissipate? I don't think so because there were still traces found on the dehydrator months later.

They evidently don't dissipate in the leftovers. But I wonder what Erin thought. Because they dissipate in the human body.

If they couldn't trace the toxins it could have been another "mystery gut illness" like Simon had.

imo

It has emerged the ex-husband of a woman at the centre of the deadly mushroom investigation almost died last year from a serious and mysterious gut issue.

 

[Lisa4]

The time she left hospital and returned, IMO. So, the Monday. Odd then, that they would be at the very bottom of the bin with other bags on top of them.

Tip the bin over, put them at the bottom, pile everything else back on top...

(Put your hand up mums who relate #decluttering junk from toy cupboard while kiddies aren't at home!)

 

[Kemug]

Yes definitely.

I think she is probably not deviating much, though. Her answers contain a lot of "I don't remember" and denials. I think that was probably the strategy.

I read somewhere once that if the accused says absolutely nothing except "I don't know", "I don't remember" and "I wasn't there", then it will be very hard to find them guilty.