Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #13 *Arrest*

[Cliff Hardy]

And she thinks she is winning and is doing a great job.

Would love to hear the feedback Erin is receiving from her council after her stints in the box. Perhaps they consider the case such a lost cause by now they simply praise her?

 

[Sarahlou]

If this was a TV courtroom drama, she would have succumbed to the persistent line of questioning by now. But not Erin. She is so completely and utterly delusional she could lie and deflect like this indefinately.

She'd make a great politician

 

[Green beans]

Thanks for all the updates guys, I’ve finally caught up.
Does anyone know, Has it been mentioned in the trial what Gail had said to one of the paramedics that caused them alarm and relayed this to police?

That’s where I was at when I was following last.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

She acts as if her memory is an entity separate from Erin. Like some evil twin that follows her around, causing trouble.

Denying responsibility for her actions.

I love it!
Erin, the loving mother, the hard-done-by wife.
Erin, the manipulative, conniving sad sack.
Erin, the entity that is her memory.
Erin, Erin, Erin.

I eat with my knife in my left hand and my fork in my right hand and so does my son and our cousin. My great, great, grandfather was an American sea captain, so it might be genetic. I remember on my European tour, watching the Americans on our trip eating with their knives in their left hand and forks in their right hand and then swapping the cutlery around to cut up their meal and then swapping it back again. That was rather quirky.

I also use my knife in my left and my fork in my right, as does my son! Not sure where I got it from, but I joke that as a kid my mum's meals were so tough that I needed the strength in my dominant hand to hold down the food to cut it!

 

[Detechtive]

Well, there was quite quite a period of time where we didn't use knives or forks at all. At least in England (not France, but probably many other places.)
So I guess we are both trying to adjust. On both sides of the Atlantic.
No harm intended. I agree it is awkward here. But it would be odd if there weren't interesting differences between us, after all these years!
That said, I love the (to me) cute ways you guys phrase things

Wait. Rewind. Do Americans routinely eat with their knife in their left hand? I’ve noticed on a lot of US shows, I see Americans eating pasta etc with a fork in their right hand, or sort of playing with their food with a fork in their right hand, which I find unusual and I would have been in serious trouble for doing so as as a kid in Oz.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

Yes but your username implies you’re a male. My husband didn’t ever buy plates either

I'd be surprised if my husband could even describe our plates. I've trained him to know where they can be found in the cupboard, and I'll call that a win.

 

[Detechtive]

I'd be surprised if my husband could even describe our plates. I've trained him to know where they can be found in the cupboard, and I'll call that a win.

My husband would have eaten off a Tupperware lid if I let him

 

[Eloise]

It’s Mandy’s role as a Silk to defend his client’s right to a fair legal process — that’s where his real skill lies. It’s not necessarily about getting her acquitted or trying to deny the facts. His job isn’t to believe her, or even to coach her strategically to win when she is guilty. It’s to ensure the trial is fair, lawful, and properly tested.

He’s likely shaking his head at her as a person, just like the rest of us. But his presence in that courtroom isn’t about sympathy. It’s about safeguarding the integrity of the justice system. He’s there with a sharp eye, sharp ear, and sharp mind to make sure her legal rights are upheld, no matter how messy the case is.

His reward isn’t necessarily in winning the case. It’s in doing his role properly, and knowing he stood firm on principle, not popularity.

Yep. Its a crucial job imo. The only way justice is done is if the defendent gets a robust defence, the charges are found proven beyond reasonable doubt, and the prosecution are made to prove their case to that high standard. Anything else would not be a system I'd want to live in. Every person charged with a crime deserves the best defence, because its how we protect human rights and our civil society. Even when someone is charged with a heinous crime and there's no room for doubt (talking generally here, not specifically about this case), the same rights apply. It can't be easy defending people who you must know are guilty of sometimes hideous crimes, but barristers operate under the cab rank rule in Australia (you pretty much have to take a case if you're available) and you can't simply pick and choose who you'll counsel based on personal choice. But the rule of law matters. JMO but also its not just my opinion

https://www.ag.gov.au/about-us/what-we-do/rule-law

What is the Rule of Law? | Rule of Law Education Centre

www.ruleoflaw.org.au

 

[Brooklyn127]

Wait. Rewind. Do Americans routinely eat with their knife in their left hand? I’ve noticed on a lot of US shows, I see Americans eating pasta etc with a fork in their right hand, or sort of playing with their food with a fork in their right hand, which I find unusual and I would have been in serious trouble for doing so as as a kid in Oz.

Absolutely. Fork in right hand, knife in left. And swapping the knife as is practicable.
You would have gotten into trouble? So funny!
I must say that I have gotten a huge kick out of being able to discuss tableware practices with Australians on Websleuths.

 

[tmar]

I was replying to the post that said having mismatched plates was an oddity. I don't really think it is, it's just one way to live.


How have you come to the conclusion that others lied, not her? The sole surviving guest noted the plates to be grey. Allegedly one of the deceased (Gail?) also commented on the plates being grey before she died. Her son noted 15cm white plates when he was cleaning up after the dessert of cake and fruit. My money is on those being used for the dessert, and were likely to be considered side/bread and butter plates, not dinner plates.

Just because there were no grey plates in the home when it was searched, does not mean there weren't grey plates used for the lunch. The lunch the son was not there for, he arrived after dessert had been served. AFAIK, we have not heard how the dinner plates were cleared from the table, where they were placed, and by whom. For all we know, Erin could have been the perfect host and told her guests to stay seated, she'd clear the table, then brought the plates out into the butler's pantry and hid them somewhere odd, to be removed and discarded from the home at a later date.

Have we clarified anything more than "grey", "white" or "15cm"? To me, if the plates were a very pale grey, they may appear white, and a "dirty white" may appear light grey. Has there been any clarification on what type of grey they were?

No.
She wants us to think, because the plates, specified by others, are now, not in the house, others have lied.
Probably, she has thrown them out.

 

[Detechtive]

Absolutely. Fork in right hand, knife in left. And swapping the knife as is practicable.
You would have gotten into trouble? So funny!
I must say that I have gotten a huge kick out of being able to discuss tableware practices with Australians on Websleuths.

And here I have been thinking that Americans have bad table manners. I’m sorry.

My family is very strict on British manners but definitely as a child, elbows on table, eating with cutlery in wrong hands - major trouble

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I've only known one Australian household that routinely used paper plates instead of owning a set of china. They were 20-somethings living out of home for the first time, and... shall we say... housekeeping-challenged.

I can think of many households where there were an array of mismatched plates rather than a cohesive set, but this would particularly be older people who kept the survivors from their original sets and augmented with new ones when their stock dwindled too low.

I would find it unremarkable if someone absorbed sets (mismatched or otherwise) from deceased relatives. If they were either cash-poor or thrifty (or stingy), they may make do with whatever oddments they ended up with.

Having just built her dream house, forever home with new kitchen and pantry … I find it hard to believe she didn’t buy new plates if she didn’t already have a nice complete matching set.
I wonder … did she use cloth napkins? Were there paper ones in trash ? Guessing not something anyone thought to collect.

The plate child made, of course you keep & treasure that, but using it at a Beef Wellington fancy lunch. No, that’s not typical.

 

[JBowie]

I’ve noticed on a lot of US shows, I see Americans eating pasta etc with a fork in their right hand, or sort of playing with their food with a fork in their right hand

I'm right-handed so I eat spaghetti with a fork in my right hand.

As for actors playing with food on TV shows, that's because the food is cold, the takes can be many and they need to speak without a mouth full of food. Not very often will you see them take a bite and chew unless a reaction is needed from that.

 

[tmar]

I hope you meant to say, that she said (or implied) that they lied. Not that they did.
And, yes, they were almost surely thrown out.

YES. That is what, she wants us to think: that she did not lie.

 

[Cliff Hardy]

She acts as if her memory is an entity separate from Erin. Like some evil twin that follows her around, causing trouble.

Denying responsibility for her actions.

Reminds me of Paul Kelly's song 'Stories Of Me' :

They say a man is going 'round
He looks a lot like me
They say that man is going down
It's looking pretty likely
Every morning he wakes
Fills his cup and listens shamefully
To stories of me

 

[MrJ]

 

[Detechtive]

I'm right-handed so I eat spaghetti with a fork in my right hand.

As for actors playing with food on TV shows, that's because the food is cold, the takes can be many and they need to speak without a mouth full of food. Not very often will you see them take a bite and chew unless a reaction is needed from that.

I meant reality shows where the food is real but that’s interesting nonetheless

 

[HoneyBunOne]

16:26

Patterson accused of helping police to avoid looking 'suspicious'​

Dr Rogers suggested Patterson (whose legal team is pictured) assisted police in finding the leftovers because if she hadn't told cops it would be 'suspicious'.
'Agree or disagree?' Dr Rogers asked.
'I wouldn't agree,' Patterson said.
Dr Rogers suggested because Patterson was stuck at hospital, she had no choice but to tell police where the leftovers were as she couldn't 'do anything' with it herself.
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Great, so now Erin is finding new ways to say "disagree". What's next? I oppose, I contest that, I dispute that? I guess she doesn't want to sound like a broken record.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

IMHO EP would have been the perfect lady for RB. Wealthy, separated with more than one property. Just don’t eat the Beef Wellington.

It would be a race to see who poisons the other first!

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I'm right-handed so I eat spaghetti with a fork in my right hand.

As for actors playing with food on TV shows, that's because the food is cold, the takes can be many and they need to speak without a mouth full of food. Not very often will you see them take a bite and chew unless a reaction is needed from that.

Actors usually do not have food in mouths. They are chewing nothing. If they go actually put anything in mouth, usually spit it out after each “take”.
Carefully watch eating scenes, fake eating. The coffee cup empty.