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Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 #8 *Arrest*
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Under cross-examination, Senior Constable Martinez-Villalobis confirms that Erin Patterson was co-operative while he looked for leftovers.
He confirms there was liquid seeping from the bag containing leftovers.
There are no more questions and Senior Constable Martinez-Villalobis leaves the witness stand.
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Liquid was 'seeping' from bag containing leftovers
By Tim Callanan
Under cross-examination, Senior Constable Martinez-Villalobis confirms that Erin Patterson was co-operative while he looked for leftovers.He confirms there was liquid seeping from the bag containing leftovers.
There are no more questions and Senior Constable Martinez-Villalobis leaves the witness stand.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
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Prosecution calls Sen Const Adrian Martinez-Villalobis as next witness
The prosecution’s next witness is Senior Constable Adrian Martinez-Villalobis. He received a call to perform a welfare check at Erin Patterson’s Leongatha address on the morning of 31 July 2023 after she was discharged from hospital, the court hears.
Martinez-Villalobis says hospital staff connected him with Erin and he spoke to her on the phone just after 10am. She provided him with the gate code so the police officers could obtain the leftovers of the beef wellington for testing.
Martinez-Villalobis says Erin told him the leftovers could be in the outdoor “red-lidded bin” in a brown Woolworths bag or the indoor bin.
He says he found the remnants of the meal in the outdoor bin and did not need to enter the house.
He says Erin told him her “brain was a bit foggy” at the time.
He says the leftovers were underneath two other brown bags in the outdoor bin. The Woolworths bag contained “one and a bit” beef wellingtons and some cans, the court hears.
Martinez-Villalobis then drove the bag to Leongatha hospital where it was collected by a medical staff, the court hears.
Prosecution calls Sen Const Adrian Martinez-Villalobis as next witness
The prosecution’s next witness is Senior Constable Adrian Martinez-Villalobis. He received a call to perform a welfare check at Erin Patterson’s Leongatha address on the morning of 31 July 2023 after she was discharged from hospital, the court hears.
Martinez-Villalobis says hospital staff connected him with Erin and he spoke to her on the phone just after 10am. She provided him with the gate code so the police officers could obtain the leftovers of the beef wellington for testing.
Martinez-Villalobis says Erin told him the leftovers could be in the outdoor “red-lidded bin” in a brown Woolworths bag or the indoor bin.
He says he found the remnants of the meal in the outdoor bin and did not need to enter the house.
He says Erin told him her “brain was a bit foggy” at the time.
He says the leftovers were underneath two other brown bags in the outdoor bin. The Woolworths bag contained “one and a bit” beef wellingtons and some cans, the court hears.
He says Erin was cooperative when they spoke on the phone.
Martinez-Villalobis then drove the bag to Leongatha hospital where it was collected by a medical staff, the court hears.
‘No, no, I scraped off all the mushrooms’: Patterson insistent the children didn’t need treatment, court hears
Nurse Cindy Munro has told the court she told Patterson her two children would need to attend hospital for treatment as they had consumed leftovers of the lunch.However, Munro said Patterson was reluctant to bring her children to the hospital.
Munro: “She said: ‘No no, I scraped off all the mushrooms’ and ‘the children were not unwell’.
“She did not want to cause a hassle or to take them out of school
“She became quite teary. She said I don’t want to stress them out.”
“I did say to her, even if she scraped off the mushrooms, some of it could have seeped through the meat and they could of been exposed to the toxins and that needed the immediate hospitalisation of the children.”
Munro said Dr Foote came in and again reassured Patterson about why she was being treated and why it was necessary for the children to also attend hospital.
Munro said Patterson repeated her insistent that she did not want to worry the children, before eventually agreeing to arrange for her children to present for care.
‘She wanted to talk to them about adult stuff’: Patterson’s daughter recalls talks about deadly lunch
Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.
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Erin Patterson ‘didn’t look unwell’ like Ian and Heather Wilkinson: nurse
Adriana Mageros
Nurse Cindy Munro has told a court Erin Patterson “didn’t look unwell” compared to Ian and Heather Wilkinson when she re-presented to Leongatha Hospital.
The court earlier heard Ms Patterson returned to Leongatha Hospital for a second time on July 31, sometime before 10am, after earlier discharging herself against medical advice.
Under cross-examination by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC, Ms Munro was asked how Ms Patterson appeared to her when she was in hospital.
“She didn’t look unwell like Heather and Ian,” Ms Munro said.
“I remember Ian being so unwell he could barely lift his head from his pillow… but Erin was sitting up in the bed in the trolley, and she didn’t look unwell to me.”
There was then a conversation about cannulating Ms Patterson to give her IV fluids and special liver protecting medication, NAC.
Ms Munro told the court Ms Patterson said to her “multiple times” that she “didn’t want any of this”, regarding the medication, and “did not understand” why she was receiving the treatment.
The court heard Ms Munro then told Ms Patterson she had potentially been exposed to mushroom poisoning, so they were administering NAC to protect her liver while the IV fluids would assist with her “gastro symptoms”.
Ms Patterson did allow the medical staff to insert a cannula, the court heard.
Ms Munro was then told Ms Patterson’s children had eaten leftovers of the same meal.
The nurse recalled Ms Patterson saying, “no, no I scraped off all the mushrooms”, adding that her children “were not unwell”.
The nurse mentioned there could have been traces of the mushrooms in the leftovers, and therefore, the children could be unwell and needed urgent treatment in hospital.
Ms Patterson then “became quite teary”, Ms Munro said.
“I did say to her even if she scraped off the mushrooms some of it could have seeped through the meat,” Ms Munro said, adding the children could still be exposed to the mushrooms and the toxins.
Ms Patterson agreed she would “work out something” to bring the children back into hospital, Ms Munro said.
Erin Patterson ‘didn’t look unwell’ like Ian and Heather Wilkinson: nurse
Adriana Mageros
Nurse Cindy Munro has told a court Erin Patterson “didn’t look unwell” compared to Ian and Heather Wilkinson when she re-presented to Leongatha Hospital.
The court earlier heard Ms Patterson returned to Leongatha Hospital for a second time on July 31, sometime before 10am, after earlier discharging herself against medical advice.
Under cross-examination by defence barrister Colin Mandy SC, Ms Munro was asked how Ms Patterson appeared to her when she was in hospital.
“She didn’t look unwell like Heather and Ian,” Ms Munro said.
“I remember Ian being so unwell he could barely lift his head from his pillow… but Erin was sitting up in the bed in the trolley, and she didn’t look unwell to me.”
There was then a conversation about cannulating Ms Patterson to give her IV fluids and special liver protecting medication, NAC.
Ms Munro told the court Ms Patterson said to her “multiple times” that she “didn’t want any of this”, regarding the medication, and “did not understand” why she was receiving the treatment.
The court heard Ms Munro then told Ms Patterson she had potentially been exposed to mushroom poisoning, so they were administering NAC to protect her liver while the IV fluids would assist with her “gastro symptoms”.
Ms Patterson did allow the medical staff to insert a cannula, the court heard.
Ms Munro was then told Ms Patterson’s children had eaten leftovers of the same meal.
The nurse recalled Ms Patterson saying, “no, no I scraped off all the mushrooms”, adding that her children “were not unwell”.
The nurse mentioned there could have been traces of the mushrooms in the leftovers, and therefore, the children could be unwell and needed urgent treatment in hospital.
Ms Patterson then “became quite teary”, Ms Munro said.
“I did say to her even if she scraped off the mushrooms some of it could have seeped through the meat,” Ms Munro said, adding the children could still be exposed to the mushrooms and the toxins.
Ms Patterson agreed she would “work out something” to bring the children back into hospital, Ms Munro said.
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She’s married to Simon Patterson’s brother, Matthew.
Tanya spoke about her texting Erin after Don and Gail had been moved to the Austin Hospital.
She says she asked Erin how she was and whether she wanted her to visit her in hospital.
She says Erin responded that that would be lovely, and that she felt nauseous, dizzy and tired.
Tanya went to the hospital and says Erin asked how everyone was.
She says she told Erin “things were going downhill quickly”.
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Don and Gail Patterson’s daughter-in-law Tanya Patterson is giving evidence
By Melissa Brown
She’s married to Simon Patterson’s brother, Matthew.Tanya spoke about her texting Erin after Don and Gail had been moved to the Austin Hospital.
She says she asked Erin how she was and whether she wanted her to visit her in hospital.
She says Erin responded that that would be lovely, and that she felt nauseous, dizzy and tired.
Tanya went to the hospital and says Erin asked how everyone was.
She says she told Erin “things were going downhill quickly”.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
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Tanya Patterson says Erin told her she had very low potassium levels.
She says a toxicologist came in and told Erin she was well enough to leave.
She says Erin asked about the potassium and was told the levels were fine and not as low as would be expected for someone who had had diarrhoea.
After Don, Gail and Heather died, Tanya says she received an email from Erin in which she asked if Tanya and Matthew would take the children if child protection became involved.
Tanya says she agreed.
Court has now broken for lunch.
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Hospital staff told Erin her potassium levels were fine, court hears
By Melissa Brown
Tanya Patterson says Erin told her she had very low potassium levels.She says a toxicologist came in and told Erin she was well enough to leave.
She says Erin asked about the potassium and was told the levels were fine and not as low as would be expected for someone who had had diarrhoea.
After Don, Gail and Heather died, Tanya says she received an email from Erin in which she asked if Tanya and Matthew would take the children if child protection became involved.
Tanya says she agreed.
Court has now broken for lunch.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
www.abc.net.au
BBM : Why was Erin emailing other family members to take the children, why not Simon the father?!1m ago
Hospital staff told Erin her potassium levels were fine, court hears
By Melissa Brown
Tanya Patterson says Erin told her she had very low potassium levels.
She says a toxicologist came in and told Erin she was well enough to leave.
She says Erin asked about the potassium and was told the levels were fine and not as low as would be expected for someone who had had diarrhoea.
After Don, Gail and Heather died, Tanya says she received an email from Erin in which she asked if Tanya and Matthew would take the children if child protection became involved.
Tanya says she agreed.
Court has now broken for lunch.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
Patterson ‘cooperative’ while lunch leftovers collected by police, cop says
A senior constable has told the court he attended Patterson’s home on Monday 31 July, 2023, to collect the leftovers from the lunch.The court previously heard Dr Christopher Webster called police when Patterson left the hospital around 8am that morning.
She later returned to the hospital and, while she was there, officers visited her home and picked up the leftovers.
The police officer said he received instructions from Patterson over the phone as to where the leftovers would be located.
He said Patterson advised the food scraps would be in either the indoor bin or outside bin in a brown Woolworths bag.
The senior constable said the leftovers were in the outdoor bin.
“There was maybe some cans (in the bag too), but it was primarily one and a bit beef wellingtons,” he said.
The officer said he double wrapped the bag in plastic to contain a ‘gravy-like’ liquid that was beginning to seep from the paper.
Cop: “Yes.”
She provided police with the authority to enter the house?”
Cop: “Correct.”
Defence: “And you found the leftovers in the area described by Erin?”
Cop: “Yes.”
‘She wanted to talk to them about adult stuff’: Patterson’s daughter recalls talks about deadly lunch
Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.
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Tanya says Erin always came to family events but in the twelve months before the lethal lunch her relationship with Simon “started to deteriorate a bit”.
At about 9.30am the following day, Tanya went to visit Erin in hospital. She says Erin asked where everybody was and she told her “things were going downhill quickly.”
She says Erin knew two of the lunch guests were in a coma.
They discussed a cruise Tanya had recently been on as Erin was considering doing a similar trip with her children.
Tanya told the court Erin said she didn’t get much sleep last night and that she had very low potassium levels and she had been given medication overnight.
She recalls Erin said she was waiting for a blood test results and to be sent home.
A toxicologist said Erin was fine to go home, Tanya says.
Erin questioned the toxicologist about her potassium and was told they were fine and “for someone who had diarrhoea they aren’t as low as they would expect them to be,” Tanya says.
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Tanya texted her after seeing the children and told her they were “well”, the court hears.
Erin thanked her for visiting the children.
After Don and Gail Patterson died, Tanya agrees that she received an email from Erin on 7 August 2023.
She agrees Erin asked about the possibility of her children staying with Tanya because child protection had become involved.
Lenthall concludes her examination of Tanya.
now04.28 BST
The court has adjourned for a lunch break.
The trial will recommence at 2.15pm.
Simon and Erin’s good relationship ‘started to deteriorate’ in year before lunch, court hears
Prosecutor Sarah Lenthall is examining Tanya Patterson.Tanya says Erin always came to family events but in the twelve months before the lethal lunch her relationship with Simon “started to deteriorate a bit”.
Tanya recalls texting Erin at about 5pm on 31 July 2023 – two days after the lunch. She says Erin reported feeling nauseous, dizzy and tired.
At about 9.30am the following day, Tanya went to visit Erin in hospital. She says Erin asked where everybody was and she told her “things were going downhill quickly.”
She says Erin knew two of the lunch guests were in a coma.
They discussed a cruise Tanya had recently been on as Erin was considering doing a similar trip with her children.
Tanya told the court Erin said she didn’t get much sleep last night and that she had very low potassium levels and she had been given medication overnight.
She recalls Erin said she was waiting for a blood test results and to be sent home.
A toxicologist said Erin was fine to go home, Tanya says.
Erin questioned the toxicologist about her potassium and was told they were fine and “for someone who had diarrhoea they aren’t as low as they would expect them to be,” Tanya says.
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Erin asked sister-in-law if children could stay with her, court hears
While at the hospital, Tanya Patterson says she went to visit Erin’s two children and Simon who were also there.Tanya texted her after seeing the children and told her they were “well”, the court hears.
Erin thanked her for visiting the children.
After Don and Gail Patterson died, Tanya agrees that she received an email from Erin on 7 August 2023.
She agrees Erin asked about the possibility of her children staying with Tanya because child protection had become involved.
Lenthall concludes her examination of Tanya.
now04.28 BST
The court has adjourned for a lunch break.
The trial will recommence at 2.15pm.
There might be something to that.
I think that’s as close to being a motive.
Perhaps Erin did not want Simon to have custody of the children at all, but wanted the life insurance / Superannuation / inheritance money to be paid to her to take care of the kids.
Maybe she didn’t want Gail or Don around to take care of the kids either, but also, happy to take her portion of their assets once they died.
In a way, maybe in her twisted mind she did all of this “for the kids”, but she’s too mixed up mentally to understand what is truly in their best interests.
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August 7th was the Monday when the media swarmed her at her house and then set up camp at her front gate. She might have been looking for somewhere the children would be away from the glare of the media. The media went to Simon's house to I think, if not that day, shortly afterwards.
ETA Child Protection would also have been concerned about the impact the media were having on the children
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BBM : I think that would be a red flag to me if I was on the jury. IMO
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The jurors are back in the court room after the lunch break.
Erin’s defence lawyer, Sophie Stafford, is cross-examining Tanya Patterson.
Under questioning, Tanya agrees Erin leant her and Matthew about $400,000 to help purchase their home.
She says the couple continued to make repayments after the couple separated. She says she does not know if the payments went to Erin or Simon.
The jurors are back in the court room after the lunch break.
Erin’s defence lawyer, Sophie Stafford, is cross-examining Tanya Patterson.
Under questioning, Tanya agrees Erin leant her and Matthew about $400,000 to help purchase their home.
She says the couple continued to make repayments after the couple separated. She says she does not know if the payments went to Erin or Simon.
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The trial has resumed after a lunch break, with defence lawyer Sophie Stafford questioning Don and Gail Patterson's daughter-in-law, Tanya Patterson.
She confirms she has known Erin Patterson for about 20 years and she and her husband visited Erin and Simon Patterson in Western Australia.
She also confirms Erin and Simon loaned her and her husband $400,000 and repayments continued after Erin and Simon separated.
Ms Patterson confirms the relationship between Simon and Erin appeared amicable "until the last couple of years".
She says their relationship appeared to "go downhill".
She says Erin was a good an attentive mother and had a good relationship with her in-laws.
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Erin and Simon Patterson's relationship started to 'go downhill'
By Tim Callanan
The trial has resumed after a lunch break, with defence lawyer Sophie Stafford questioning Don and Gail Patterson's daughter-in-law, Tanya Patterson.She confirms she has known Erin Patterson for about 20 years and she and her husband visited Erin and Simon Patterson in Western Australia.
She also confirms Erin and Simon loaned her and her husband $400,000 and repayments continued after Erin and Simon separated.
Ms Patterson confirms the relationship between Simon and Erin appeared amicable "until the last couple of years".
She says their relationship appeared to "go downhill".
She says Erin was a good an attentive mother and had a good relationship with her in-laws.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
www.abc.net.au
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I have a very vague memory that something was found up in a tree. Does anyone else remember that?
The reason I find it odd is that the judge made clear the hours of attendance at the outset, even commenting that people may find the sitting hours “pretty slack”.
If Mondays we to be non-sitting days then I would have expected him to have made that quite clear.
I hope this does not signal a level of inattentiveness in the jury, especially when it comes to their doing their own research and the potential that has for a mistrial.
‘How’s my potassium?’: Patterson’s question to hospital doctor in front of sister-in-law
Tanya Patterson, who is married to Simon’s brother Matt, said she visited Patterson in hospital on Tuesday 1 August, 2023.While in Patterson’s room, Tanya said they spoke about the four lunch guests, cruise holidays they were interested in, and the mother-of-two’s time in hospital.
“She asked me how they (the lunch guests) were doing and I said they were going downhill quickly,” Tanya said.
“She said she knew that Don and Gail were in a coma and I said that was the latest and if she wanted to know more to wait for Simon (to tell her).
“She (also) said she didn’t really sleep that night and her potassium was low.”
Tanya said a toxicologist came in to Patterson’s room while she was there.
She said she offered to leave the room while Patterson spoke to the toxicologist, but the mother-of-two said it was fine if she stayed.
“Erin asked (the toxicologist) ‘How’s my potassium?”’and the doctor said her potassium levels were fine and for someone who had diarrhoea, it really wasn’t as low as they would have expected it to be,” Tanya said.
Tanya said the toxicologist also said the drip Patterson had been placed on overnight was implemented as a precaution.
Tanya said she then left and went and saw Patterson’s two children, who were in another room at the hospital with their father, Simon.
She said she later texted Patterson and told her the children were well and just waiting around, with the mother-of-two responding “thank you very much” and “thanks for visiting”.
While she couldn’t recall Patterson’s exact phone number, Tanya said she received the message from the number she had “always known” the mother-of-two to have.
The court heard the next time Tanya heard from Patterson was via an email on 7 August, 2023 - by which point Don and Gail Patterson had passed away.
Tanya confirmed Patterson’s email was to ask if she and Matt would take in her two children if child protection officers became involved with the family.
‘She wanted to talk to them about adult stuff’: Patterson’s daughter recalls talks about deadly lunch
Erin Patterson is accused of killing three people with poisonous death cap mushrooms.
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Ms Patterson confirms the pair did not speak to each other as much and there was strain over Erin's decision to move the children to a new school and the payment of child support.
She says she did not discuss those issues with Erin.
Ms Patterson agrees Simon and Erin attended a relative's birthday celebration in January 2023, but can't say if that's the only event they attended together that year.
She agrees Erin asked her in hospital about the condition of the other lunch guests but she told her it would be best to speak to Simon about that.
"Erin had told me that she knew Don and Gail were in induced comas and that's probably as much as I knew," she says.
She concedes she may be wrong about what Erin may have known about the health status of the guests.
That brings the cross-examination to a close.
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Sister-in-law observed change in relationship
By Tim Callanan
The questions now turn to the 12 months before the lunch when Erin and Simon's relationship began to deteriorate.Ms Patterson confirms the pair did not speak to each other as much and there was strain over Erin's decision to move the children to a new school and the payment of child support.
She says she did not discuss those issues with Erin.
Ms Patterson agrees Simon and Erin attended a relative's birthday celebration in January 2023, but can't say if that's the only event they attended together that year.
She agrees Erin asked her in hospital about the condition of the other lunch guests but she told her it would be best to speak to Simon about that.
"Erin had told me that she knew Don and Gail were in induced comas and that's probably as much as I knew," she says.
She concedes she may be wrong about what Erin may have known about the health status of the guests.
That brings the cross-examination to a close.
Erin Patterson visibly upset as daughter gives evidence at murder trial — as it happened
Medical staff who examined Ms Patterson in the aftermath of a deadly mushroom meal at her home have given evidence to a murder trial jury. Look back at how Thursday's hearing unfolded in our live blog.
www.abc.net.au
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