GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

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  • #61
Odd that she did have some leftover she put in her own rubbish. She had the chance to discard all, and at 3:30 after lunch, she did not know she would be asked for any remains …
Hmmmm
Yes either she held onto the remaining beef Wellington in preparation for her “the children ate leftovers” lie or perhaps she still had hope that she’d have an opportunity to feed Simon his specially prepared beef Wellington.
 
  • #62
From a cardboard perspective, much easier to dispose than cut it up to dispose in paper bins, if she had one. Some councils have a blue bin for paper products where others use the yellow recycling bin for paper prioducts, bottles, etc. It’s a pain when you purchase any large appliances.
<modsnip: Removed personalizing comments> She disposed of the box for the appliance that she used to kill 3 people, 30 minutes after she administered it to them. She had this appliance for MONTHS, and only decided to dispose of the box straight after the lunch. I highly doubt she was thinking “oh it’ll be much easier to dispose of this box at the tip” and was likely thinking “it’s less traceable at the tip.”

IMO, MOO
 
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  • #63
She certainly wasn’t going to the toilet, washing her hands, or disposing of a poo bag unless there was a bin right behind the door. That much is clear.

Its hard to dispose of a poo bag when she had explosive diarrhea
 
  • #64
From a cardboard perspective, much easier to dispose than cut it up to dispose in paper bins, if she had one. Some councils have a blue bin for paper products where others use the yellow recycling bin for paper prioducts, bottles, etc. It’s a pain when you purchase any large appliances.

In Leongatha, residents have access to kerbside recycling collection, with specific bins provided for this purpose. These bins typically have a yellow lid and are for collecting recyclable materials like paper, cardboard, plastics (with codes 1-7), glass, steel, and aluminum. For larger amounts of waste, including for businesses, skip bins and dumpsters are also available from waste management services in the area.
 
  • #65
<modsnip: Removed personalizing comments> She disposed of the box for the appliance that she used to kill 3 people, 30 minutes after she administered it to them. She had this appliance for MONTHS, and only decided to dispose of the box straight after the lunch. I highly doubt she was thinking “oh it’ll be much easier to dispose of this box at the tip” and was likely thinking “it’s less traceable at the tip.”

IMO, MOO

She thought it would be safer disposing of it at the tip, rather than putting it in her recycle bin. She didn't think of CCTV cameras...
 
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<modsnip: Removed personalizing comments> She disposed of the box for the appliance that she used to kill 3 people, 30 minutes after she administered it to them. She had this appliance for MONTHS, and only decided to dispose of the box straight after the lunch. I highly doubt she was thinking “oh it’ll be much easier to dispose of this box at the tip” and was likely thinking “it’s less traceable at the tip.”

IMO, MOO
Anyone would think that she wasn't a convicted triple murderer. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
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  • #67
Seeing that doctor choke up talking about Heather and saying he imagined her spirit supporting Ian in court . .. drives home to me how awful these deaths were. Doctors see a lot of horrible stuff. For this guy to cry like that... this must have been something else.

Also I assume its the most enraging feeling for a healer to be confronted with a killer.
 
  • #68

The 10 hurdles Erin Patterson needed to jump​

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1-Why did Erin Patterson fake a cancer diagnosis?
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2-Why did it take her nearly two years from the fatal lunch to raise the possibility that she accidentally picked death cap mushrooms in the wild?

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3-]Why a woman who shared her love of mushrooms with anyone who would listen could not produce one witness to corroborate her keen interest in foraging the wild ones?

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4-]Why could a person with a remarkable memory not recall the shop, street, or suburb where she bought Asian dehydrated mushrooms, presumably paying cash and leaving no credit card record?

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5-Why there have been no reports of similar poisonings from a commercial source?
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6-Why would she feed leftovers to her children when her lunch guests were critically ill?[

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7-Why would she refuse medical assistance for herself and her two children when told it could be a matter of life and death?

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8-Why did she serve individual beef Wellingtons when the recipe called for a single loaf?

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9-Why did she serve her own lunch on a different coloured plate?

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10-Why did she try to sabotage the police investigation by dumping the dehydrator, losing a phone and resetting another?



I think this is a great list. These are the key issues her defense needed to 'fix' with her testimony.

Mandy said she nailed it, and never faltered in her testimony... :rolleyes:

I think she may have bungled number one, The Cancer Lie, in the worst possible way. And it set the tone for the rest of her testimony.

At the start of her explanation, Erin really opened up to the jury, laid herself open to shame and vulnerability. She painfully admitted she was ashamed of her easting disorder and she was desperate to find a way to lose weight.

I think the jury and the public was feeling some sympathy---who can't relate to having their own personal flaws and desperate feelings.

So then she keeps going, and is stretching it a bit further---she says she found her solution to her problem---She had SCHEDULED an upcoming appointment for bariatric surgery.

And then continues further down the road, explaining that she lied about needing treatment for ovarian cancer because she needed childcare and extra help when she has her upcoming surgery.

OK....maybe some people were still with her, feeling sympathetic...at least she was opening up, admitting her vulnerabilities and trying to better herself?

But then, BAM----the prosecution shows that she was LYING again----there was no schedule surgery and there never was---she made that up----that was manipulation and gaslighting by Erin.


Erin tried to pivot, said she meant liposuction, instead, but that was also untrue---sh had no scheduled lipo.

So in the end, the jury was walked down a winding road of BS, compliments of Erin. And her attempts to explain or justify those cancer diagnosis lies fell flat.

I think it was all downhill from there.
 
  • #69
The box the dehydrator came in?
? A good point if she kept it stored in the garage, in the box.

If that were the case, wouldn’t you dispose of both the packing and dehydrator in one trip?

As it was purchased Autumn ‘23, it was a long time to keep a box unless it was in fact storing the item.
 
  • #70
Just my own musings re - the Dilemma of the Deathcap Dehydrator that was Discovered at the Dump

I do hope she wasn't keeping the box thinking she would eventually use it to sell the dehydrator secondhand. Or was she going to return it saying it was faulty. That would fit right in with her honest ways.

Another theory - left it at the tip hoping to return and buy it back in the next week or two once "peace had returned"?

Or - she just didnt have any jeans to do the necessary dirty digging work if burying it was an option, and she didnt want to muddy the white pants...?

I dont know, I am at a loss as to why she reasoned paying to take it to the tip was a good idea.

All I am sure of is that she would have had a reason.

Not that it matters but it would be interesting to hear if they only found one set of fingerprints and if so - where did she slip up to leave them/miss them when she cleaned it.

She was careful enough to wear white gloves when dropping it off.
 
  • #71
? A good point if she kept it stored in the garage, in the box.

If that were the case, wouldn’t you dispose of both the packing and dehydrator in one trip?

As it was purchased Autumn ‘23, it was a long time to keep a box unless it was in fact storing the item.
100%. I didnt think of this reason for keeping the box - I think you're right.

Hidden away inside an old packing box so the kids didnt know about it.
 
  • #72
Seeing that doctor choke up talking about Heather and saying he imagined her spirit supporting Ian in court . .. drives home to me how awful these deaths were. Doctors see a lot of horrible stuff. For this guy to cry like that... this must have been something else.

Also I assume its the most enraging feeling for a healer to be confronted with a killer.
I was at court the day that Dr Webster gave testimony & he genuinely seems like the coolest dude

But from outward appearances (& his heavily tattooed companions), you would not guess he was a GP/Dr, he seems like a very tough guy :D I did not know what his significance to the trial was until he took the witness box - I was thinking ambulance officer maybe?

It must've really hit him deep, to be so overcome with emotion & feel so strongly to speak out after the trial <3

(NGL, I initially assumed he was a 'Morwell local' at court waiting to be seen for "other matters" 😜 Big lesson learned that day about judging others by appearances!)
 
  • #73
If she had buried the dehydrator in the bush, it wouldn't have been found

1. Too much effort
2. Couldn't risk getting those white pants dirty
 
  • #74
If it was part of her regular routine, why didn't she tell LE about out in her interviews? I'm sure they requested a detailed timeline of that fateful day.

And why did her son and his friend think she was at home playing with Legos at that time?
When my son is playing video games Im fairly confident I could run a marathon and come back later and he would never notice I'd been gone.
 
  • #75
I was at court the day that Dr Webster gave testimony & he genuinely seems like the coolest dude

But from outward appearances (& his heavily tattooed companions), you would not guess he was a GP/Dr, he seems like a very tough guy :D I did not know what his significance to the trial was until he took the witness box - I was thinking ambulance officer maybe?

It must've really hit him deep, to be so overcome with emotion & feel so strongly to speak out after the trial <3

(NGL, I initially assumed he was a 'Morwell local' at court waiting to be seen for "other matters" 😜 Big lesson learned that day about judging others by appearances!)
Thank you for sharing your experience. Do you feel the court reporting we got was pretty accurate as to what took place? Or do you feel like a lot more happened than was communicated?
 
  • #76
I'm still curious how it appears EP's bag seemed to have been lighter; if she hadn't disposed of anything and had never gone to the bathroom in the first place and instead was in the hallway area, what actually happened? I don't think we'll get an answer to that question.
 
  • #77
If it was part of her regular routine, why didn't she tell LE about out in her interviews? I'm sure they requested a detailed timeline of that fateful day.

And why did her son and his friend think she was at home playing with Legos at that time?
I can’t speak for EP, Iam just offering my opinion in relation to going to a tip.

More information is being released and some aspects are now becoming clear. Anyone following this case closely, for two long years (almost), is now able to review the chain of events, at last! SMH has some great pieces.

Her behaviour was certainly suspicious but Iam sure some aspects were just random boring activities of no consequence as well.
 
  • #78
I'm still curious how it appears EP's bag seemed to have been lighter; if she hadn't disposed of anything and had never gone to the bathroom in the first place and instead was in the hallway area, what actually happened? I don't think we'll get an answer to that question.
Maybe there is a trash can in that hallway?
 
  • #79
Thank you for sharing your experience. Do you feel the court reporting we got was pretty accurate as to what took place? Or do you feel like a lot more happened than was communicated?
In my experience - There is so much more going on IRL than what's reported.
 
  • #80
Just my own musings re - the Dilemma of the Deathcap Dehydrator that was Discovered at the Dump

I do hope she wasn't keeping the box thinking she would eventually use it to sell the dehydrator secondhand. Or was she going to return it saying it was faulty. That would fit right in with her honest ways.

Another theory - left it at the tip hoping to return and buy it back in the next week or two once "peace had returned"?

Or - she just didnt have any jeans to do the necessary dirty digging work if burying it was an option, and she didnt want to muddy the white pants...?

I dont know, I am at a loss as to why she reasoned paying to take it to the tip was a good idea.

All I am sure of is that she would have had a reason.

Not that it matters but it would be interesting to hear if they only found one set of fingerprints and if so - where did she slip up to leave them/miss them when she cleaned it.

She was careful enough to wear white gloves when dropping it off.
How can you see that she was wearing white gloves?
 
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