GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Deleted member 363451]

I think she expected 2 potential scenarios.

1) They'd die at home with the cause unknown. Never linked to any event or person in particular. Relied on the DC's being undetectable after 48 hours. Whether she factored in the likelihood of them being detected in an autopsy is unknown (phone A might answer that). The liver would have telltale signs of being damaged by the DC poison.

2) The cause became known and it was linked back to her lunch. Then play the dumb housewife who accidentally foraged the wrong type of mushrooms. A terrible accident.

I think if she had to factor in more than those 2 scenarios, she very likely wouldn't have done it.

Or 3) The cause become known and she'd blame it on a Chinese grocery store in the City of Monash, location unknown...

 

[Ellery84]

Time for Ali to renew the rego!

The vehicle with registration number '1XZ4OZ' is not currently registered.

 

[Detechtive]

The vehicle with registration number '1XZ4OZ' is not currently registered.

Could have still been registered with another number plate. Unless it's going off the VIN, it won't show the new registration.

 

[Marg944]

Could have still been registered with another number plate. Unless it's going off the VIN, it won't show the new registration.

This is a vague idea of the Holden vehicle that Erin used to take to the tip, a 2018 Holden Wagon…. I imagine she would have been sad to lose it…..

 

[JBowie]

The vehicle with registration number '1XZ4OZ' is not currently registered.

That's the Red 2023 MG wagon. Here is what VIC Roads shows it as right now. (Rego expires at the end of today)

Registration number: 1XZ4OZ
Registration status & expiry date: Current - 17/07/2025

The Red 2018 Holden wagon's record has this status:

Registration number: 1LA8RU
Registration status & expiry date: Cancelled - 29/06/2024

 

[Detechtive]

This is a vague idea of the Holden vehicle that Erin used to take to the tip, a 2018 Holden Wagon…. I imagine she would have been sad to lose it…..


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Thank you lovely @Marg944

 

[Monstradamus]

The Monday morning EP left the hospital after 5 minutes to "pack her daughter's ballet bag, look after the animals and have a nap", I wonder why her phone pinged in the opposite direction to her house? Did her panicked, guilty, racing thoughts consume her, and she forgot her way home??

 

[drsleuth]

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[IBR]

The fatal lunch was on Saturday, Erin says she became unwell Saturday night, son allegedly woke Sunday with a stomach ache, Sunday morning church was cancelled as a result, Sunday afternoon was spent driving to the flying lesson that was cancelled last minute/pooing by the roadside/stopping multiple times for snacks and a 9 second toilet trip, Sunday night the kids were fed "leftovers" with the mushrooms scraped off, allegedly..

Ah thanks, I have mixed up the days.

 

[IBR]

I believe she testified that the Tupperware mushrooms were too crispy, and she soaked them in water before adding them to the BW, pressing them in with an egg flip?
Strange that no pieces were found in the leftovers, only DC DNA, so one would assume they were dried and powdered.

I had to dig a bit for it, but I knew I read it somewhere:
„Rogers said Patterson had told the jury she had put the Asian store-bought mushrooms in the dehydrator after noticing they were “rubbery” some time between buying them and using them.
That was an “obvious lie”, Rogers said.“

Erin Patterson murder trial: Accused ‘lied’ to multiple people, and repeatedly changed her story on sourcing mushrooms, prosecutor tells jury

Prosecutor Nanette Rogers, SC, is arguing to the jury that accused killer Erin Patterson faked a cancer diagnosis to her lunch guests and deliberately deviated from a beef Wellington recipe.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[RiSpy]

Erin's mother died in 2019, so about 6 years ago. Do we know how long ago that wall was first noticed, or "decorated"?

this article says 2022

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/death-wall-inside-mushroom-chefs-house/news-story/a879b2505a32b22dc16214201659dab4

 

[RiSpy]

And didn’t she also claim fairly late that the mushrooms from the Asian grocer (but conveniently, she doesn’t remember which Asian grocer exactly she got them from) were a bit rubbery, so she put them in her dehydrator to crisp them up? Didn’t she say that before she came up with the claim she might have foraged and accidentally put the foraged and dehydrated mushrooms in the same Tupperware as the mushrooms from the Asian grocer?

weird isn't it that she took photo's of the mushrooms

 

[emirates1957]

Great post! I have wondered about the level of psych testing done for the aviation training.

In my experience …. There would not have been testing when he was with Ansett/there would have been with Jetstar and Qatar. Long haul international airlines would require psych tests….given the dynamics of the Flight Deck. The last thing you need is two people sitting in close proximity for 8 hours with 300 lives on board.

 

[Tortoise]

weird isn't it that she took photo's of the mushrooms

Very weird. Either trophy or an early plan to explain accident, like why would I take a photo of mushrooms I was going to poison people with, and leave a trail of incriminating evidence, I wouldn't have.

 

[Ellery84]

Very weird. Either trophy or an early plan to explain accident, like why would I take a photo of mushrooms I was going to poison people with, and leave a trail of incriminating evidence, I wouldn't have.

It makes no sense at all.

 

[Little Jack]

I think it is not strange at all that she planned so poorly for the aftermath if one speculates that 5 previous times she had done something similar literally no one investigated her or found any toxins at the hospital. I think she was completely confident there would be no investigation for good reason.

Look at the dentist in the US who poisoned his wife multiple times with different things including cyanide. In multiple hospitalizations the cause was never found - as poisoning was not even considered until his coworker alerted police.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

I think it is not strange at all that she planned so poorly for the aftermath if one speculates that 5 previous times she had done something similar literally no one investigated her or found any toxins at the hospital. I think she was completely confident there would be no investigation for good reason.

Look at the dentist in the US who poisoned his wife multiple times with different things including cyanide. In multiple hospitalizations the cause was never found - as poisoning was not even considered until his coworker alerted police.

I think it's a little different when four people get extremely ill compared to one. They're bound to look at what they've eaten as a source.

 

[MaxDecimus13]

Very weird. Either trophy or an early plan to explain accident, like why would I take a photo of mushrooms I was going to poison people with, and leave a trail of incriminating evidence, I wouldn't have.

Seeing as though she put them on the true crime group, maybe she was testing the waters to see whether normally suspicious people could spot them.

Like if one poster had said they look like they might be poisonous she could have pretended it was a mistake and aborted the plan.

However, the fact they didn't, made her think that she could probably pass it off as an accident if it came to it.

 

[Warshawski]

Could she not see past her "brilliant" plan, and felt far superior to anyone who might look into the circumstances of their deaths. Did her mind not even entertain the thought that there would be questions about how/when/where/why/what caused their deaths? Is that where her psychopath/sociopath character comes into play?

This 100% imo .

Yet another terribly sad situation where the innocent pay the penalty for being ‘in the sights’ of people who are so caught up in their own sense of entitlement that they become deluded to life’s reality.

I don’t advocate a true ‘mental health’ issue with EP & I pray to God that she doesn’t get a win on that defence …
I’m wondering if EP may be the younger sister ( does anyone know when Ceinwen was born ?)
My musings then take me to: IF Erin was the youngest, perhaps she was initially doted on - and she learnt quite quickly how to manipulate people to get her own way - and she went on from there.

Maybe as she got older and parents attempted discipline, and then to curtail her behaviour, she bucked all they put in place & caused so much havoc that her parents eventually drew the line. … no one would know what the situation was then, and neither should it be opened up now - but imo it takes substantial ‘challenges’ for parents to cut ties.

I think EP grew her sense of entitlement, her sense of importance and her arrogance to the point where she thought she was bullet-proof - and the point where she is now in jail as a convicted triple murderer.

All just my own thoughts and opinions.

 

[Officer Dibble]

Sorry I’m just catching up so likely someone has said this before but I believe Simon was extremely forgiving and kind when he hypothesized that Erin is on the autism spectrum. She seems much more narcissistic to me. Sociopathic really. They — sociopaths/psychopaths — can have an amazing talent for ‘reading’ people and mimicking genuine human reactions such as empathy and caring. Because they have been watching these reactions dispassionately in others for many years.

MOO based on knowing both persons on the spectrum and true psychopaths. I’ve been fooled personally by ‘fake/acted’ empathy. I’m so Sorry for Simon and the family of all of EP’s victims. He may be carrying a lot of (undeserved) guilt for not seeing her evil tendencies and not calling them out to his family sooner.

I guess Lego and other obsessions would fit that criteria? edited to add: JMO MOO