GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[LinasK]

weird isn't it that she took photo's of the mushrooms

I think it was her subtle way of bragging to friends about her plan.

 

[LinasK]

This 100% imo .

Yet another terribly sad situation where the innocent pay the penalty for being ‘in the sights’ of people who are so caught up in their own sense of entitlement that they become deluded to life’s reality.

I don’t advocate a true ‘mental health’ issue with EP & I pray to God that she doesn’t get a win on that defence …
I’m wondering if EP may be the younger sister ( does anyone know when Ceinwen was born ?)
My musings then take me to: IF Erin was the youngest, perhaps she was initially doted on - and she learnt quite quickly how to manipulate people to get her own way - and she went on from there.

Maybe as she got older and parents attempted discipline, and then to curtail her behaviour, she bucked all they put in place & caused so much havoc that her parents eventually drew the line. … no one would know what the situation was then, and neither should it be opened up now - but imo it takes substantial ‘challenges’ for parents to cut ties.

I think EP grew her sense of entitlement, her sense of importance and her arrogance to the point where she thought she was bullet-proof - and the point where she is now in jail as a convicted triple murderer.

All just my own thoughts and opinions.

It was the opposite in my family. I'm the youngest and my siblings would get me in trouble. My parents would say "But they're older, they wouldn't lie!".

 

[RiSpy]

I think it was her subtle way of bragging to friends about her plan.

Very bazaar. I didn't realise that she had shared the photos. I thought that they were found on one of the devises.

 

[RiSpy]

she is like a caged lion when she is trying to get out of the hospital

not a care in the world for anyone but herself and wanting to get out that door to go home to cover her tracks. the need to feed the dog and pack a ballet bag was far more important than having concern for her dinner guests who she claimed she loved.

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I agree that she may have come across the plan in a fictional book, and taken it on board.

However, is she were really very smart, calculated and good at research and deep diving into topics (or people, same, same) of her choosing, she would have covered all the bases and not just expected they'd all die quickly before speaking out. A true planner, with intelligence enough to know that even the best laid plans can go awry, would do a mental flowchart to cover off every possible scenario. If A happens, do X, if B happens do X,Y and Z etc. The best planners do this, so there's never any surprises and there's an answer and reason for everything. One that makes sense to the masses and not just one person's warped way of thinking.

Or...

Could she not see past her "brilliant" plan, and felt far superior to anyone who might look into the circumstances of their deaths. Did her mind not even entertain the thought that there would be questions about how/when/where/why/what caused their deaths? Is that where her psychopath/sociopath character comes into play?

JMO but I think the fundamental flaw in her plan is that :

She believed the DC mushroom powder was so toxic nobody could survive it even if they checked into an ER with severe gastric food poisoning. She knew dead men can't talk. Following their certain death, her plan was 'dumb housewife' as above.

The cover story was going to be 'yes, I forage mushrooms, yes I dehydrate them, yes I powder them to enrich flavours and add nutrition to my cooking / baking' (hence why she freely and openly posted about adding them to the children's brownies - this was part of the cover story preparation). Also feigning some sickness. Had one person not survived, she may have said she didn't eat much, if any and only had a slight sickness.

This cover story was blown by victims directly accusing her of poisoning them and SP making a link to DC mushrooms, plus one victim surviving, able to tell all. Finding out maybe Ian could live must have totally span her out as we see her repeatedly saying she hopes that Don pulls through. She couldn't say the name of the real survivor as she didn't hope he pulled through and sometimes the brain / subconscious prevents a lie being spoken. She's a terrible liar. She may also be autistic IMO high probability of that, autistic people often can't lie - they try to think of alternative arguments but they're not so great at fabrications.

She killed people because she wanted to have them permanently out of her life and to her that makes total sense, it is quite logical in a certain way. The bit missing there would be 'empathy' and that would put her on the furthest end of Antisocial Personality Disorder as also logically, it's the hard end of 'antisocial' to think killing people because they're annoying you is rational. She wanted her freedom back IMO so to her it represented a bid for freedom from the perceived 'oppression' of her in laws who slightly controlled her and had influence on her kids but didn't include her in their family any longer (probably didn't want her at the birthday party).

JMO MOO

 

[Observe_dont_Absorb]

I think it is not strange at all that she planned so poorly for the aftermath if one speculates that 5 previous times she had done something similar literally no one investigated her or found any toxins at the hospital. I think she was completely confident there would be no investigation for good reason.

Look at the dentist in the US who poisoned his wife multiple times with different things including cyanide. In multiple hospitalizations the cause was never found - as poisoning was not even considered until his coworker alerted police.

Likewise the French guy who repeatedly, habitually, regularly drugged his wife and arranged for her to be raped by strangers. Over decades. That poor woman was suffering consequences, physically, ailments, she needed hospital treatment, and had cognitive issues and yet nobody knew or investigated.

 

[LadyL]

Yes. In Australia 'licence' is what a driver is issued and holds when they pass a driving test. A licence fee (state tax) is payable each year or period of years in order for it to be considered current.

Registration is a certificate to show that annual rego (essentially a road usage tax) has been paid.

The plates in the car are generally referred to simply as number plates, or rego plates.

There are no annual tags affixed to the plates. Cops have number plate recognition equipment in their cars to detect unregistered vehicles (or can look up the plates via their in-car computers).

In NSW what we call third party insurance is also compulsory at rego time. This is paid into a fund to cover medical costs of any other people physically injured by your vehicle, regardless of who was driving it at the time of the injury.

thank you very helpful!

 

[LadyL]

In general, in Australia, a lot of words are given the Aussie touch by taking the first syllable of a word and adding -o to the end.

For example:
Registration - rego
Ambulance - ambo
Service station - servo
Renovations - renos

oh ok that makes sense - we use 'renos' here in Canada

 

[LadyL]

I think the journo, Penelope Liersch did a really good job explaining the whole legal process etc

She gave a good understanding of sub judice & how important it is IMO

Journalist = Journo

[bbm]

you're tired off my questions aren't you

 

[HoneyBunOne]

JMO but I think the fundamental flaw in her plan is that :

She believed the DC mushroom powder was so toxic nobody could survive it even if they checked into an ER with severe gastric food poisoning. She knew dead men can't talk. Following their certain death, her plan was 'dumb housewife' as above.

The cover story was going to be 'yes, I forage mushrooms, yes I dehydrate them, yes I powder them to enrich flavours and add nutrition to my cooking / baking' (hence why she freely and openly posted about adding them to the children's brownies - this was part of the cover story preparation). Also feigning some sickness. Had one person not survived, she may have said she didn't eat much, if any and only had a slight sickness.

This cover story was blown by victims directly accusing her of poisoning them and SP making a link to DC mushrooms, plus one victim surviving, able to tell all. Finding out maybe Ian could live must have totally span her out as we see her repeatedly saying she hopes that Don pulls through. She couldn't say the name of the real survivor as she didn't hope he pulled through and sometimes the brain / subconscious prevents a lie being spoken. She's a terrible liar. She may also be autistic IMO high probability of that, autistic people often can't lie - they try to think of alternative arguments but they're not so great at fabrications.

She killed people because she wanted to have them permanently out of her life and to her that makes total sense, it is quite logical in a certain way. The bit missing there would be 'empathy' and that would put her on the furthest end of Antisocial Personality Disorder as also logically, it's the hard end of 'antisocial' to think killing people because they're annoying you is rational. She wanted her freedom back IMO so to her it represented a bid for freedom from the perceived 'oppression' of her in laws who slightly controlled her and had influence on her kids but didn't include her in their family any longer (probably didn't want her at the birthday party).

JMO MOO

To me, the only problem with your bolded statement is that she anticipated they'd die quickly at home, or die prior to any testing or medical intervention being done. To me, that's a HUGE gamble, not one she should have been willing to take, unless her brain could not stray from the one path of almost instant death and no real follow up. It's quite the possibility I guess, as someone with what I like to think is a "normal" brain, I just can't fathom it.

 

[LadyL]

I guess it depends on what's in it and the resulting weight. If you wheel the bin to the wagon's tail gate, you can upend it into the boot using the tail gate as a lever and slide it in.

Where I live the garbos (yes another 'o' word) refuse to take a 240 litre bin that weighs more than 70kg. They stick a label on the top saying "overweight".

[bbm]



now that I know about the 'o', I can probably figure them out

 

[LadyL]

Over the past couple of days, I've been thinking about this idea that EP was really intelligent, and how this has been used to defend the idea that she wouldn't have planned something so badly. Regardless of whether people think she is innocent or guilty, almost all essentially agree that Erin acted out of panic in the days following the lunch.

Innocent - Erin's ill-thought out actions were done in a panic and a result of trying to cover up her culpability for their deaths.

Guilty - Erin's ill-thought out actions were done in a panic as a result of not suspecting they would identify the Death Caps and therefore not expecting she would be caught.

Whilst there was clearly some degree of panic, I'm going to argue that rather than being a panicked response, many of EP's actions were maybe a reflection that she wasn't as thorough or dare I say clever as people think she was.

Take the most obvious example: the disposing of the dehydrator at the tip. Obviously, this was a very stressful time but it wasn't a decision made in absolute panic. She spent the previous day presumably sitting around in hospital and obviously realised at this point that she needed to cover her tracks. However, despite this her plan for covering up was really poor. She forgot that she still had the manual and didn't seem to consider that it would be obviously traceable from the tip. Even if she was innocent, this is a real rookie mistake to make. There were much better ways of getting rid of it even in a panic.

Then you have the search at the house, and the police interview. These happened almost a week after the meal. Again, regardless of guilt this must have been stressful, but this is a long time to consider how she could best get herself out of the mess that she was in. The result was an utter mess: she decided literally at the last minute to get rid of her main phone. She factory reset one of her phones multiple times. You'd think she would have been aware of how incriminating this would look and how easy it would have been to identify and have thought of a better solution.

She also had adequate time to get her story straight before the second interview. The most obvious way to make her situation better would have been to admit to foraging very early on. You could argue that the Woolworths and Asian grocer story was a panicked answer at her first police interview, but she sat there for a whole week and decided to stick with it clearly thinking it was her best bet. In reality, it was a terrible answer at that time and one that again massively incriminated her when she didn't admit to foraging until 2 years later.

Maybe she wasn't as clever as everybody thinks, or at the very least clever in a different non-common sensical way.

she seems to underestimate other people, not just her own inner circle but also the cops and the public

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Mushroom killer Erin Patterson's life in prison revealed​

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[RiSpy]

What don’t you ask the family publicist?

Have they engaged a family publicist? probably a good idea.

 

[RiSpy]

Given Samantha Azzopardi’s own very significant history of lying and fraud, resulting in a psychiatrist in her own trial/sentencing diagnosing her with pseudoligica fantastica, nothing she says about anything can be believed. The news media must be getting desperate, finding little scraps of anything to report on until the suppression orders get lifted (we all know how desperate they are to report on all that juicy stuff) it is highly reckless to give Azzopardi avenues to attention like this, not good for her mental health at all.

Samantha Azzopardi was my neighbour many years ago. She used the name Emily then. Interestingly she was very likeable. Who would have thought!

 

[RiSpy]

Stan was contacting us a year ago. Their documentary has been in the works for a long long time.
They were going to focus on the group dynamics originally, but the main members of the group didn't want to participate. They wanted to force us into exclusivity contracts with them, with some vague outline of what they were going to do and I personally didn't like the direction - to paint online crime sleuths as some weirdo middle aged women with nothing better to do.

I see they have now changed their doco to be something much more 'neutral' - the trial, and commentary on 'justice' - the same boring coverage everyone else has done ad nauseam during this trial.

I don't want to watch any of it, or read anything coming out because it will just be the same regurgitated nonsense. None of them know Erin, or anything about her. IMO

what group was that?

 

[Ellery84]

Have they engaged a family publicist? probably a good idea.

Yes they have and Simon has been seen walking with to and from court.

 

[RiSpy]

Yes they have and Simon has been seen walking with to and from court.

It must be devastating for them. I hope the media respect their privacy.

 

[JBowie]

Seems no one bothered to renew the Red MG wagon ...

Registration number: 1XZ4OZ
Registration status & expiry date: Expired - 17/07/2025

 

[tmar]

I would think EP has a poor diet.
She probably is not healthy.
Living a possible 30 years in prison, may not be possible.