GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Detechtive]

All men.
Time to set a new precedent.

Women are nearly always given more lenient sentences, but I think because she attempted to kill Ian also, she might get it.

 

[SouthAussie]

Women are nearly always given more lenient sentences, but I think because she attempted to kill Ian also, she might get it.

Nor will the magnitude of murdering THREE people, simultaneously, be overlooked in sentencing.
Especially with the cruelty of the manner of murder.

imo

 

[browneyes]

It's also Erin's birthday month.

Oh crap.
We will definitely be celebrating differently.

 

[browneyes]

I truly hope so. I was reading today about those in VIC with Life Without Parole. Of course I don't want to compare the cases per se, however, I know that Jill Meagher's killer got life without parole. SURELY Erin's crimes are equivalent at minimum. IMO

Erin planned her poisonous lunch for 5 victims. She also tampered with evidence and lied. Three victims died, one miraculously survived and one refused her invite. How could she ever be set free?? The judge heard her words showing disregard for what she did. She scares me. IMO

 

[Scooby-Doo]

There are always technical grounds for an appeal, but the judge in this case seemed to be super cautious of everything that was going on in his court

He gave 365 pages of instructions to the jury

But regardless, you cannot appeal a verdict simply because you don’t agree with it.

The appeal can only go ahead if the judge considers there are enough grounds provided.

 

[Marg944]

It's also Erin's birthday month.

If Erin’s birthday is during September, her star sign would be either Virgo or Libra.

Oh wow!!!!! Virgo traits do fit in with Erin’s history:-

Virgo (August 23 - September 22) is an earth sign historically represented by the goddess of wheat and agriculture, an association that speaks to Virgo’s deep-rooted presence in the material world. Virgos are logical, practical, and systematic in their approach to life. This earth sign is a perfectionist at heart and isn’t afraid to improve skills through diligent and consistent practice.

Virgo rules the digestive system, which makes these earth signs especially attuned to the ingredients that make up a whole—in food and in everything else. They're hyper-aware of every detail.

The Personality of a Virgo, Explained

It’s important for Virgos to learn that flaws are not defects.

www.allure.com

 

[LinasK]

There are always technical grounds for an appeal, but the judge in this case seemed to be super cautious of everything that was going on in his court

He gave 365 pages of instructions to the jury

But regardless, you cannot appeal a verdict simply because you don’t agree with it.

The appeal can only go ahead if the judge considers there are enough grounds provided.

That's exactly what Lori Vallow's judge said today in denying her appeal for a new trial. You don't get one simply because you disagree with the verdict.

 

[MIG214222]

If Erin’s birthday is during September, her star sign would be either Virgo or Libra.

Hello @Marg944,
According to Wiki, Leongatha mushroom murders, Erin Trudi Patterson (née Scutter, born 30 September 1974).
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Libra, 虎 Wood Tiger
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At least we all know where she'll be on that date, we can send her a b/d card & a pie; just think, she can gobble-it-down, chuck-it-up, gobble again - as many times as she likes LOL!

It's incomprehensible (to me) that this one selfish person could contaminate the lives of so many people, the ripple effect of her actions is frightening.....

Goodbye ERIN, Erin, erin, you're exactly where you need to be.
s s s

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Erin planned her poisonous lunch for 5 victims. She also tampered with evidence and lied. Three victims died, one miraculously survived and one refused her invite. How could she ever be set free?? The judge heard her words showing disregard for what she did. She scares me. IMO

I wonder if she tortured/killed animals as a child?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Simon has also mentioned that Erin had tried to kill him multiple times

Whether his inheritance was also a factor in the poisoning of Simon

but this would never have been permissible during the trial.

Basically Simon had to comply with a court order that prohibited him from talking about the lead-up to the tragic events.

A thought that the entering of a Nolle Prosequi by the DPP meant that those charges were dead and buried

But in certain rare circumstances, the Court may accept the reversal of a Nolle and allow to forward the charges to Trial

Maybe, the DPP chose to separate the additional charges she was charged with from the Murder charges for the murder trial

But with a finding of guilt with those charges have been determined

The DPP is considering running the attempted murder charges of Simon through the Courts

Makes sense that they would be clamping down on reporting if there is a trial in the future

The DPP would await sentencing on the current matters and see exactly what sentence Erin gets

and to make things cleaner.

We'll have to wait and see what happens with this

As there would be records, evidence, including hospital records

Reportedly was in an induced coma for 16 days, through which he had three emergency operations, mainly on his small intestine, plus an additional planned operation, and wasn't expected to live.

Ex-husband of woman accused of killing three people with toxic mushrooms claims she tried to poison him

Erin Patterson was the only one who did not get ill after she served lunch to four family members - with three of them dead and a fourth fighting for their life in hospital.

news.sky.com

 

[Moll]

It's an appalling story - thanks for re-posting it. I think calling it 'reportedly' is too cautious - Simon himself wrote it and the medical details can be/probably have been checked. Let's hope she is charged with attempted murder.

This reminds me of the 2017 case in England, the murder of Helen Bailey by Ian Stewart. He was not charged at the same time with the murder of his wife though police knew there were suspicious aspects to her death. After his conviction for Helen Bailey's murder he was charged with, and convicted of his wife's murder in 2010. But in that case, by a lucky chance there was still forensic evidence because some of her brain tissue (I think) had survived in a lab. This case might be more difficult in that respect. On the other hand Simon is alive to give some pretty damning circumstantial evidence, if he's willing.

Edited to add link to that story. She had donated her brain to medical science!

Man who killed author is found guilty of wife’s murder six years earlier

Ian Stewart given whole-life order for murdering first wife in Cambridgeshire six years before killing Helen Bailey

www.theguardian.com

 

[Moll]

A thought that the entering of a Nolle Prosequi by the DPP meant that those charges were dead and buried

But in certain rare circumstances, the Court may accept the reversal of a Nolle and allow to forward the charges to Trial

Just rambling on from my previous post, the big legal difference is that Stewart had never been charged with his wife's murder. I am not on such familiar terms with Nolles as you are! Do you know what the precedents are for allowing charges once dropped to be revived?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I see that Greg Lynne is appealing his murder conviction.

Erin will be next...

Court date set for High Country killer Greg Lynn to fight for appeal - ABC News Court date set for High Country killer Greg Lynn to fight for appeal

 

[Scooby-Doo]

Just rambling on from my previous post, the big legal difference is that Stewart had never been charged with his wife's murder. I am not on such familiar terms with Nolles as you are! Do you know what the precedents are for allowing charges once dropped to be revived?

Nolles doesn't prevent the prosecution from re-instituting the charges under the special circumstances....

If Simon wants to proceed, new evidence comes to light.

Reviving charges after a nolle prosequi is generally reserved for exceptional cases, particularly when public interest grounds were the basis for the initial stoppage of proceedings

But especially now, Erin's trial has found her guilty of poisoning, having murdered three people, and attempted murder of Ian Wilkinson. Simon could have also been there

 

[Scuffy35]

Maybe, the DPP chose to separate the additional charges she was charged with from the Murder charges for the murder trial

I thought it was the judge that ruled them to be separated, not the DPP.

 

[Detechtive]

I thought it was the judge that ruled them to be separated, not the DPP.

Those attempted murder charges would never have been allowed to run in the same trial - they are highly prejudicial to the murder charges IMO

 

[Deleted member 363451]

Speaking of the devil...

Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson's shocking new medical diagnosis that could see her escape a life sentence behind bars | Daily Mail Online Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson's shocking new medical diagnosis

 

[Moll]

Seriously?
The headline's wildly misleading, for a start. And the rest is mostly speculative.

Mushroom murderer Erin Patterson's shocking new medical diagnosis

Mushroom mass murderer Erin Patterson may yet avoid a life-ending sentence off the back of a prison diagnosis made at the time of her arrest.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Yeah it's just DM clickbait.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

I thought it was the judge that ruled them to be separated, not the DPP.

In a criminal trial, the decision to separate charges is foremost made by the prosecution ( DPP), not he judge

The DPP has the discretion to decide which charges to pursue together and which to try separately.

However, the judge can also influence this decision by ruling on a defense motion to sever the charges if there's a risk of prejudice to the accused.