GUILTY Australia - 3 dead after eating wild mushrooms, Leongatha, Victoria, Aug 2023 *Arrest* #18

[Monstradamus]

Can you imagine the other things she has done to Simon and probably his friends? Isolating him? I know for years she has been poisoning peoples minds and manipulating them about people she met online, can you imagine how bad it is for those close to him?
IMO

Narcissists do project. Everything she said about Simon you can bet she was doing herself. Laziness, coercive control, bullying.

 

[Detechtive]

I can't blame him for being angry that her charges for attempted murder of him were dropped. He finally realized the truth about her being a poisoner and he didn't receive justice. At least she got convicted for the murders and attempted murder of his family.

Couldn’t agree more
She’s ruined his entire life, and in a sense, she continued to be able to control him through the court process through her paid legal team.
He’s also got to pick up all of the pieces and unravel the damage to his kids.
I can’t even imagine

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I find it astounding that a group of women who claimed to be so sleuthy in true crime matters, that you couldn't see that true evil was under your noses.

Did you expect the group to know that she was secretly planning a mass murder?

 

[Deleted member 363451]

I'll bet that anyone who ever ate food cooked by Erin Patterson is having the heebie-jeebies right now.

Actually I think she's very simple and one dimensional. Petty.

She's not complex. She creates complexity. Drama maker.

Everyone is a pawn in her chess set.

JMO

I don't know. I think she's pretty complex...

 

[JBowie]

She told me she has Autism, but I don't believe that is true. I think they would have used it at trial if so. Maybe we will hear that in the sentencing if it is true IMO

Likely a self-diagnosis, IMO. After all, she tells doctors that they don't know what they are doing.

 

[abyquinn]

I didn’t follow this case closely so I apologize if this is common knowledge, I was wondering why she didn’t face charges over giving the meal to her children? I believe she claimed to have removed the mushrooms from the portions her children ate but didn’t the ER doctor tell her to bring the kids in, which she declined? I would think she (and they) were very lucky that they didn’t end up in the same situation as her in-laws. I really feel for her former husband & her kids.

 

[Ellery84]

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When they searched Erin’s place under the warrant, did the police keep a list of animals or livestock?

 

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I didn’t follow this case closely so I apologize if this is common knowledge, I was wondering why she didn’t face charges over giving the meal to her children? I believe she claimed to have removed the mushrooms from the portions her children ate but didn’t the ER doctor tell her to bring the kids in, which she declined? I would think she (and they) were very lucky that they didn’t end up in the same situation as her in-laws. I really feel for her former husband & her kids.

She didn't feed her children the meal, that was a lie. But it's an interesting point! Going by her version, she endangered their lives, too.

 

[HoneyBunOne]

I didn’t follow this case closely so I apologize if this is common knowledge, I was wondering why she didn’t face charges over giving the meal to her children? I believe she claimed to have removed the mushrooms from the portions her children ate but didn’t the ER doctor tell her to bring the kids in, which she declined? I would think she (and they) were very lucky that they didn’t end up in the same situation as her in-laws. I really feel for her former husband & her kids.

I believe the kids did eventually end up at the hospital, although Erin didn't really want to disturb them by taking them out of school. School is more important than impending, potential death apparently. I think maybe Simon ended up bringing them in to be tested. She didn't actually give the same meal to her kids. She claimed she gave them "leftovers" on the Sunday night, that she'd scraped the mushrooms off, and then given them the meat. That was a lie. It appears her idea of "leftovers" seems to be the same type of meat, but it didn't comprise any part of the deadly lunch meal. There was no mushrooms on the meat to scrape off, it was a different piece altogether. That's why she wasn't concerned about her kids getting tested, because she knew what she gave them the night after was not tainted in any way. Why she chose to call them "leftovers", lie about scraping mushrooms off, then fail to show concern for her kids health, is anyone's guess. It fails to make sense. Unless she may have wanted it to look like many people ate the meal, but only about 50% of them appeared ill, so it was just bad luck and not a deliberate act to wipe out her in laws. Yet on the other hand, she herself claimed to have been sick as a result of the meal, meaning in her reality, 100% of those that ate the lunch were ill, but miraculously Erin barely was ill at all. In actual fact, I don't think anyone believes she was ill at all, it was all likely to be self induced. I'd like it all to make sense so we can wrap it up in a bow and call it done, but none of us think like her so it can't be done.

 

[Scuffy35]

She told me she has Autism, but I don't believe that is true. I think they would have used it at trial if so. Maybe we will hear that in the sentencing if it is true IMO

From what I understand about Autism is that those with it have difficulty interacting socially, understanding social cues.

It seems to me that having autism and being a master of manipulation (as Erin seems to be) would be mutually exclusive.

 

[Deleted member 363451]

When they searched Erin’s place under the warrant, did the police keep a list of animals or livestock?

I imagine that they were more concerned about finding evidence for the 3 people that she murdered in cold blood.

 

[Jake18]

I can understand Simon’s frustration with the legal process. It seems so incongruous to swear on a Bible to tell the truth in testimony, yet not be able to due to evidence being suppressed.

Simon didn’t want go to the dinner because he thought Erin might poison him, yet wasn’t able to say that in front of the jury. He was basically told not to tell the whole truth

 

[Susjay]

You can't get into an Air traffic controller course and pass it, unless you are in the top few percent academically.
She’s obviously intelligent. IMO

Bingo! And you can’t have high functioning Aut without being intelligent either. Don’t give a rat’s behind, if she has been diagnosed or not, because such a diagnosis does not make someone more likely to be a murderer.

 

[Scuffy35]

I didn’t follow this case closely so I apologize if this is common knowledge, I was wondering why she didn’t face charges over giving the meal to her children? I believe she claimed to have removed the mushrooms from the portions her children ate but didn’t the ER doctor tell her to bring the kids in, which she declined? I would think she (and they) were very lucky that they didn’t end up in the same situation as her in-laws. I really feel for her former husband & her kids.

I think it was the prosecution's case that she lied about feeding them scrapped-off leftovers, but rather they were extra steaks from the freezer that were not used for the beef wellingtons.

If the prosecution case was that they were not contaminated steaks that were feed to the kids, there would be nothing to prosecute her about that point.

 

[CuriosityKilledtheCat]

I didn't meet her until about that time, and her profile picture was a witch.
Did you know Erin prior to then?

I came across Erin in true crime groups prior to August 2019. I never interacted with her. There was definitely something off about her and she was someone to stay well away from, even online.

I recall her profile photo of Facebook prior to about August 2019 being more of the family photo type. Possibly her children, but that is stretching the memory a bit. Seems so long ago now!

 

[Kemug]

And it's so bizarre. Why would you consider sneaking in a cleaning lady under your husband's nose a win???

Many years ago I read about a woman, and I think it was a true story - one morning a week her husband left money on the mantelpiece for the cleaning lady (ah, the good old days!) Eventually the wife thought "Well, if he can pay one woman to clean the house, why can't he pay me?!" Sacked the cleaning lady, cleaned the house, and pocketed the money. And kept on doing it. I seem to recall that her conscience bothered her, so she wrote to an "agony aunt". Of course these days it wouldn't be an issue. Trust Erin to turn it into one!

 

[Kemug]

All I would say in this respect is that attempted murder is not something most people would naturally go to. It is such an extreme occurrence that it would be easy to dismiss.

If you remove the individual circumstances, natural reasons are more likely.

Yes, it's unbelievable - until it isn't.

 

[Detechtive]

I came across Erin in true crime groups prior to August 2019. I never interacted with her. There was definitely something off about her and she was someone to stay well away from, even online.

I recall her profile photo of Facebook prior to about August 2019 being more of the family photo type. Possibly her children, but that is stretching the memory a bit. Seems so long ago now!

Oh really? Because the Keli Lane group was the first online true crime she joined - from what I understand.

Which true crime groups?

 

[Detechtive]

From what I understand about Autism is that those with it have difficulty interacting socially, understanding social cues.

It seems to me that having autism and being a master of manipulation (as Erin seems to be) would be mutually exclusive.

I definitely agree. I think the Autism was a cover story, and I am the only person she told she has Autism.

Re: these 'rumours' about Autism floating around.

There's a woman from our group who has taken a lot of the private conversations Erin and I had, and Erins other friends had with her, and is using them for content and sharing it with all of the journalists. She didn't ever have one conversation with Erin personally, so this is why it's all being shared as clickbait and is out of context.

Erin told me a lot of very deep things about her life, I think, because I asked and probed her due to her odd behaviour. She didn't tell anyone else very deep things about her life, they mostly had a more superficial conversation and joked around.

I found her behaviour very strange from near the beginning of knowing her, especially after one minor disagreement I had with her in the group (publicly) and Erin responded in a very hysterical over the top way.

She then confided some things about her exes and I was alarmed. I pulled right back from talking to her.

Erin then apologised to me (only after I refused to back down), and tried to explain that it is because she has Autism and can't relate to people very well. I didn't believe it then, and I don't believe it now.

 

[Tortoise]

Another article on the material that was suppressed during the trial. Among other things, this one describes how angry and emotional SP was during the pre-trail and how he was essentially forced to change his behaviour and think deeply before answering questions when on the stand.

I'm glad that this has been exposed because I could not reconcile his reported behaviour with what had happened to him and with the fact that EP had been charged with attempting to murder him.

The judge was aware of all of this highly damning suppressed stuff as he sat through her trial.

(pay-walled for some)

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. Or was it?​

Previously suppressed evidence from investigations into Erin Patterson’s mushroom murders has now been released, prompting questions over whether the jury really heard the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. Or was it?

Previously suppressed evidence from investigations into Erin Patterson’s mushroom murders has now been released, prompting questions over whether the jury really heard the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

www.smh.com.au

It's plain wrong that Simon wasn't allowed to tell the whole truth. The fact that he suspected she had been poisoning him shaped his whole world and his relationship with Erin. It's enough that charges were dropped because they could prejudice the jury, but a husband's suspicions are not in the same league as charges against her. It skewed reality so far the other way as to have imperiled justice being served for these victims, had the jury decided she had no motive and no intent or malice and this must have been an accident. The court cleansed a scheming wicked poisoner with a husband who actually feared for his life before the incident that killed his family. I am incensed that the jury was given a sanitised version of her dealings with Simon, that her internet searches about poisons were hidden from them, and so too was her trip to the tip right after the lunch. How dare they suggest she had no such plates in her house as the victims saw. She was allowed to get away with lying about her actions after the lunch, and the prosecution could say nothing!

Simon's experience would have explained his, in the circumstances, very reasonable and measured texts to her about being glad she was well enough to drive etc. but it made him seem callous and uncaring without the context. Even the hospital doctors weren't allowed to share what his own doctor had shared with them. This is justice skewed too far in the corner of a dangerous killer.

All in my opinion